Running in a 30K tomorrow

Bateluer

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I've been slacking on my training for this run though. I was sick with a cold last week and only made it out running once or twice all week. This week, I seem to be having problems with my lower back, not entirely sure if its a UTI in my kidneys or actual lower back pain. It seems to ache around the kidney area on only the left side and only when I bend certain ways, plus cranberry juice over the last few days seems to have relieved it. I'm inclined to belief it was a UTI but I don't have any of the other symptoms that are listed on Wiki.

Oh well, it'll be a fun run either way. I need to make sure I kick my but into gear for the PF Changs and AZ Marathon in January and February. Those are larger runs, I don't want to embarrass myself.
 

Kaido

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Good luck! Hope they feed you some PF Changs when you finish! :D
 

Megatomic

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I'm doing a 10K tomorrow, but I'll be all by myself. I'm working on upping my weekly mileage so that I'll be ready for a half iron this summer and a full marathon this fall. Hopefully by March I'll be able to do 13.1 miles in under 2 hours.

Have fun tomorrow.
 
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Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.
 

Megatomic

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I woke up to snow and about 10 degrees outside, I ran on a treadmill instead. I got my 10K in but it was not as fulfilling as a road run would have been.

Good luck out there!
 

Bateluer

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I think I did alright. 2hr44min44s, bout the same as last year. I felt pretty good for the first 15miles, but after that my feet began to ache. I seem to have some blisters on the balls of my feet.
 
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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.

Ok. How long before the long runs do you "feast?"
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.

Ok. How long before the long runs do you "feast?"

Typically the evening prior, I believe most carbo-loading is done during that time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that my time this year was about 30 seconds slower than my time last year. Really, not too bad considering my cold and the subsequent loss of training.
 
Mar 22, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.

Ok. How long before the long runs do you "feast?"

Typically the evening prior, I believe most carbo-loading is done during that time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that my time this year was about 30 seconds slower than my time last year. Really, not too bad considering my cold and the subsequent loss of training.

If your energy levels dipped at all, you could fix that with a more thorough carb-loading phase. To get anything from carb-loading, you need to start loading a week before the race. This allows your body to have super high glycogen stores and gives you extra energy for the run. I don't know why people think one night of gorging on carbs is going to give them extra energy for the next day. It definitely required several days at the least.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.

Ok. How long before the long runs do you "feast?"

Typically the evening prior, I believe most carbo-loading is done during that time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that my time this year was about 30 seconds slower than my time last year. Really, not too bad considering my cold and the subsequent loss of training.

If your energy levels dipped at all, you could fix that with a more thorough carb-loading phase. To get anything from carb-loading, you need to start loading a week before the race. This allows your body to have super high glycogen stores and gives you extra energy for the run. I don't know why people think one night of gorging on carbs is going to give them extra energy for the next day. It definitely required several days at the least.

Seems to work alright for me. My energy levels were fine, it wasn't until the very end that I felt tired. It was my feet that hurt more than anything, possibly poor shoes. These shoes are fairly new, but I went with New Balance to save some money this time around. Almost bought some Mizumos, but the NBs were made in the US and cost much less.

If anything, it was my lack of aggressive training for this run that held me back. And I use that term loosely since I did nearly the same as last year.
 
Mar 22, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Well, it's too late now, but did you carb load? How's your hydration? If you've been pounding down the miles with too little water, that could possibly give you kidney problems.

I always drink plenty of water. During normal training runs, I keep a normal diet. Before longer runs, I 'feast' on some hamburger helper and noodles. Its my usual pre-race meal and usually brings me luck.

Edit - Man its cold out. 36F. At least its clear outside, they were predicting rain earlier this week. Running in the rain at 36F would not be cool.

Ok. How long before the long runs do you "feast?"

Typically the evening prior, I believe most carbo-loading is done during that time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that my time this year was about 30 seconds slower than my time last year. Really, not too bad considering my cold and the subsequent loss of training.

If your energy levels dipped at all, you could fix that with a more thorough carb-loading phase. To get anything from carb-loading, you need to start loading a week before the race. This allows your body to have super high glycogen stores and gives you extra energy for the run. I don't know why people think one night of gorging on carbs is going to give them extra energy for the next day. It definitely required several days at the least.

Seems to work alright for me. My energy levels were fine, it wasn't until the very end that I felt tired. It was my feet that hurt more than anything, possibly poor shoes. These shoes are fairly new, but I went with New Balance to save some money this time around. Almost bought some Mizumos, but the NBs were made in the US and cost much less.

If anything, it was my lack of aggressive training for this run that held me back. And I use that term loosely since I did nearly the same as last year.

Just try it next time. The night before doesn't actually do much biologically. You may not have the energy low at any point of the race, which would be awesome. I'm just tryin' to give you the best possible scenario :) I swear it will help.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Just try it next time. The night before doesn't actually do much biologically. You may not have the energy low at any point of the race, which would be awesome. I'm just tryin' to give you the best possible scenario :) I swear it will help.

I am not going to load for a week prior to a long run. Not only would it be a major strain on my budget, but I'd also pack on a lot of useless weight I'd rather not. :p
 
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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Just try it next time. The night before doesn't actually do much biologically. You may not have the energy low at any point of the race, which would be awesome. I'm just tryin' to give you the best possible scenario :) I swear it will help.

I am not going to load for a week prior to a long run. Not only would it be a major strain on my budget, but I'd also pack on a lot of useless weight I'd rather not. :p

First of all, it's not really that expensive. You buy a couple packs of spaghetti noodles and sesame noodles. That's not much. Second of all, you wouldn't put on anything more than a pound. A pound that you would ultimately lose come race day. I know people who run marathons regularly. This is something that they will always do. You don't get enough energy from power gels and bars during the race. You need to already have that energy in your system. Glycogen + a little bit of fat goes a very long way. One pound of fat = 3500 calories. That means if you're going over your caloric maintenance by 500 calories each day for that week, you'll only gain something like a pound. You probably wouldn't even gain that much since you would be eating that as your regular meal as well.
 

Bateluer

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I'll consider it before the PF Chang's. But its the training that I've got to step up. Need to get out running after work.
 

TanisHalfElven

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cabo loading while not a bad idea isn't all that important.
during endurance runs you shouldn't be using glycogen much anyway.
most of the runs energy comes from fat. if you consume glycogen (no matter the amount of carbo lading you do there is very little glycogen) you end up hitting the wall that much sooner.

ps. loading is best done after a run and that help replenish reserves.
 
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Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
cabo loading while not a bad idea isn't all that important.
during endurance runs you shouldn't be using glycogen much anyway.
most of the runs energy comes from fat. if you consume glycogen (no matter the amount of carbo lading you do there is very little glycogen) you end up hitting the wall that much sooner.

ps. loading is best done after a run and that help replenish reserves.

Did you not see that carb-loading for a week before the race builds up 3k+ calories of fat, if done right? That is WHY the carb loading is so essential and nice. When glycogen stores are full, the energy goes directly into fat. That's the point of getting the glycogen stores full and storing the energy as fat.

It IS that important. Unless you've tried something like that, it's hard to put into perspective.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
cabo loading while not a bad idea isn't all that important.
during endurance runs you shouldn't be using glycogen much anyway.
most of the runs energy comes from fat. if you consume glycogen (no matter the amount of carbo lading you do there is very little glycogen) you end up hitting the wall that much sooner.

ps. loading is best done after a run and that help replenish reserves.

Tanis, have you done any long distance, marathon length runs? Loading prior is pretty damn important, you won't start burning fat stores for a while. The first half or so of a marathon, you're burning energy in your blood, the glycogen. You won't shift to using fat stores until you exhaust those.

Its not uncommon to see runners shooting up on carb gel and eating bars/bagels during the run either.