Rumsfeld threatend to fire anyone who planned a post-invasion Iraq Strategy. LMAO!

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
My Dad, who is nearing 70, has always voted republican. His recent comment "Right now, there are not any republicans worth the powder to blow them to hell" pretty much sums it up.

Same as most of my friends/family who are lifetime republicans. Heck, the two pastors I know have even turned now. When evangelicals won't even back them, things are bad.

Then again, most of the hardcore democrats I know are saying basically the same thing about their party.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It would be very surprising to me if this were not true. Not only is it 100% consistent with Rumsfeld's behavior toward Shinseki, it is completely consistent with the entire PNAC/neoconservative philosophy, which just doesn't include nation building. The idea, as silly as it now seems, really was that the Iraqis would greet us with flowers and chocolates, and we'd be out of the country as fast as we were in Desert Storm. If this story were not true it would be libelous as to Gen Scheid and arguably as to Rumsfeld as well. I betcha this IS true, and I only hope the lapdog media picks up on it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: DonVito
It would be very surprising to me if this were not true. Not only is it 100% consistent with Rumsfeld's behavior toward Shinseki, it is completely consistent with the entire PNAC/neoconservative philosophy, which just doesn't include nation building. The idea, as silly as it now seems, really was that the Iraqis would greet us with flowers and chocolates, and we'd be out of the country as fast as we were in Desert Storm. If this story were not true it would be libelous as to Gen Scheid and arguably as to Rumsfeld as well. I betcha this IS true, and I only hope the lapdog media picks up on it.

Even if these particular details are not true, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the general idea is absolutely true. Like you said, the overall approach of the Bush administration towards the occupation, pre-invasion, was that it wasn't a problem we needed to worry about...a fact that has been VERY underreported by our supposedly liberal media.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I sincerely think this, among other Rumsfeld misdeeds, is an impeachable offense, but given the Republican control of both houses of Congress it will never happen. If Bush were anything but a complete retard he'd have accepted Rummy's resignation years ago (most notably after Rummy failed to keep him appraised of the breaking Abu Ghraib debacle). The funny thing is, I don't think he can really let Rummy fall on his sword because of this specific issue, since as Commander in Chief he would have been extensively briefed on the postwar plan, had there ever been one. In that sense he's as culpable as the morons running the Pentagon.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Even if these particular details are not true, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the general idea is absolutely true.

For the record I'm leaning toward the story being true. It's fairly obvious we had no plan (or if we did, it was a really bad one) to deal with Iraq after we obliterated its government. Whether it was by design (per the OP) or due to sheer incompetence... I don't know. Neither answer is good.

That said, your comment reads a little to close to the "Forget the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge that matters" logic that has been played out too many times over recent years.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Even if these particular details are not true, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the general idea is absolutely true.

For the record I'm leaning toward the story being true. It's fairly obvious we had no plan (or if we did, it was a really bad one) to deal with Iraq after we obliterated its government. Whether it was by design (per the OP) or due to sheer incompetence... I don't know. Neither answer is good.

That said, your comment reads a little to close to the "Forget the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge that matters" logic that has been played out too many times over recent years.

Not at all, it's the ACCURACY of the charge I'm thinking more about. I couldn't agree more that things get out of hand with "serious charges". I'm just saying that this one is probably true given what we already know.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I think we should seriously consider bringing back ritual suicides for failed politicians. Sepaku is the only possible way Rumsfeld could go out with any honor whatsoever.

Whereas I agree with you, I think he's dishonored himself to the point where his ritual suicide would still be meaningless.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Worst. Administration. Ever.

I prefer the Grant administration myself, good ole Era of good stealing.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
My Dad, who is nearing 70, has always voted republican. His recent comment "Right now, there are not any republicans worth the powder to blow them to hell" pretty much sums it up.

Not a bad sentiment

 

[senseamp]

Republicans blocked a no confidence vote on Rumsfeld. They don't even want to have a vote, that's how much they back him.

 

[senseamp]

I hope Gen. Scheid is ready to take the demonization and swiftboating he'll start getting from the rightwing media and talking heads.

 

[Aimster]

I get to meet Rumsfeld in a couple days.
Lucky me

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I get to meet Rumsfeld in a couple days.
Lucky me

Do you think he's a great secretary of defense, or the greatest secretary of defense?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1925318&enterthread=y

 

[straightalker]

Rumsfeld is a hired liar. Same liar who ran the Vietnam War into the ground. A war that could have been won in 6 weeks tops, had it not been all about stringing it along as long as possible so the militaryindustrial-complex could keep their gravy train express train running at full speed ahead.

The current money-pit is Iraq. Currently approaching 350 billion $$$ deep. You can go to several websites and see the actual money clock spinning in real time. At a pretty darn high speed. The numbers fly. If it had an audio componant it would sound like a giant sucking sound.

Platitudes spoken by Rummy about spreading democracy in Iraq are all lies. The line of his during the Vietnam war was exactly the same BS.

 

[trenchfoot]

so, in a nutshell, the gang that couldn't shoot straight envisions an iraqi campaign that looks to be like a hollywood western produced and directed by mel brooks himself whereby the gang:

rustles up a posse and rides into bad-guy country guns a blaze'in, shoot'in it up with the bad guys, drop'in tens and hundreds of them with each shot from their six-shooters that seems to never out of ammo, and when the smoke clears all the bad guys are now good guys because they're all dead and the "real" good guys go rid'in off into the sunset sing'in "happy trails to you" because it's mission accomplished party-time and all the ex-bad guys get to worship the gang as the deities they really are, but hooolllld every'thin slappy, because the gang wakes up from mass hypnosis and suddenly realizes that their "fantasy wet-dream" is actually a never-ending series called "a nightmare on jihadist street", and it's all because their "wet dream" didn't include a "but, what if..." at the beginning?

is that it? did i leave anything out? :Q

 

[LunarRay]

I think one can look at the facts of the Iraqi situation and infer from them what thinking went into getting us where we are today. If the thinking is consistent with what might have been said to the Generals it matters little, imo.. what matters is Where we are Today... and why is DonVito not back in uniform... get now.. they will have read your comments by now... Au Revoir, Abientot...?