Rumsfeld: Bioweapons May Be Hard to Find

burek

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Rumsfeld: Bioweapons May Be Hard to Find

WASHINGTON - The U.S. military's search for chemical and biological weapons is unlikely to succeed until Iraqis lead American forces to them, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.


"I don't think we'll discover anything, myself," Rumsfeld said at a town hall-style meeting with Pentagon (news - web sites) employees.


"I think what will happen is we'll discover people who will tell us where to go find it. It is not like a treasure hunt where you just run around looking everywhere, hoping you find something."


U.S. troops have found suspicious chemicals and facilities at a number of sites but tests on the materials have proved negative or inconclusive. Eliminating such weapons was a chief reason President Bush (news - web sites) gave for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) that began March 20.


A Defense Department employee asked Rumsfeld what could be done so the United States would not be accused of planting any chemical or biological weapons that might be discovered. Rumsfeld said he believed such charges are likely and there is little the United States can do to avoid it.


Only in the past few days, Rumsfeld said, have enough weapons searchers arrived in parts of Iraq where U.S. intelligence indicates chemical or biological weapons could be found.


"The teams have been trained in chain of control, really like a crime scene," he said. "That will not stop certain countries and certain types of people from claiming, inaccurately, that it was planted."


Appearing with Rumsfeld was Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, who cautioned against thinking that the fall from power of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s Baath Party rule means the war is over.


"I wish I could say that we're winding all this down, but I can't," Myers said.


Rumsfeld made a similar point.


"The war is not over," he said. "We know that. There are still pockets of resistance, shots are still being fired and people will still be killed. And as we gather here people are still fighting in Iraq and elsewhere."


U.S. and British ground troops are struggling to stabilize Iraq and track down Baath Party leaders, but the air campaign that helped unravel Iraq's defenses is all but over.


As a result, more of the air power used against Iraq is leaving the region.


A second Navy aircraft carrier departed the Persian Gulf on Thursday, leaving only the USS Nimitz battle group on station in the Gulf, defense officials. Both the Navy and the Air Force are bringing aircraft home to allow pilots and crews a respite after one of the most intense air campaigns in history.


The USS Constellation, on its final overseas mission before going into a scheduled retirement, left the Gulf Thursday, one day after the carrier USS Kitty Hawk departed for its homeport in Yokosuka, Japan, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.


Two other carriers that participated in the air war from positions in the eastern Mediterranean ? the USS Harry S. Truman and the USS Theodore Roosevelt ? are going to alternate on port visits in the Mediterranean but not head home yet, the officials said.


The USS Carl Vinson, which took the Kitty Hawk's place in the Pacific in February, is making a port call in Guam but is to return to the vicinity of Japan and remain while the Kitty Hawk is repaired in a Japanese shipyard, officials said.


The Pentagon said the U.S. death toll from the war in Iraq rose by one to 126. Marine Cpl. Jason David Mileo, 20 of Centreville, Md., was shot and killed Monday after being mistaken for an Iraqi soldier, it said. He was in the Baghdad area, assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, whose headquarters is at Twentynine Palms, Calif. The matter is under investigation.

Three American service members are listed as missing ? one Army soldier and two Air Force pilots.

In addition to those killed, 495 Americans have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.

"Some are going to recover very quickly; others are going to have to live with their injuries for the rest of their lives," Myers said. "They'll never escape the pain in some cases or, perhaps, regain lost opportunities this conflict has brought upon them."
 

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Oh god, how can rumsfeld be so stupid! Agh! Oh well, they had them in '91 and no doubt they still dont have them. You can't misplace 2,000 tons of VX Nerve Gas.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Oh god, how can rumsfeld be so stupid! Agh! Oh well, they had them in '91 and no doubt they still dont have them. You can't misplace 2,000 tons of VX Nerve Gas.

Read carefully, it says they would be hard to find without the help of locals.
 

bolinger

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Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.

So why was blix was wanting interviews with the locals?
 

Spyro

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.

So why was blix wanting interviews with the locals?

???
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: wizardLRU
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.

So why was blix wanting interviews with the locals?

???


It was a simple question, what do you not understand?
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.
Further translation: They will be found in time, and most likely with the help of Iraqis. Finally, it will be clearly understood that the UN inspectors would have never achieved success in finding these weapons because, prior to the war, there were no Iraqis able to freely give assistance.

Of course, since it has been longer than five minutes that the US has been in Iraq, the US will undoubtably be accused of planting them. If the US only could have found something in that first five minutes since entering the country, it would have dispelled any possible belief of them having planted the weapons.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.
Further translation: They will be found in time, and most likely with the help of Iraqis. Finally, it will be clearly understood that the UN inspectors would have never achieved success in finding these weapons because, prior to the war, there were no Iraqis able to freely give assistance.

Of course, since it has been longer than five minutes that the US has been in Iraq, the US will undoubtably be accused of planting them. If the US only could have found something in that first five minutes since entering the country, it would have dispelled any possible belief of them having planted the weapons.

It would not have mattered how long they would have been there, anything found the opposition will know it was planted.
 

bolinger

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The percentage of people accusing the US of planting WMD found in Iraq will be few.

I think the opposition cares less about being proven wrong than you guys care about being right.

It just seems really fishy when the Bushites keep putting new spins on the same issue; Rummy being the latest one to join the bandwagon.
 

RossGr

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I can't believe the idiots, what do you think? Saddam left all his "WDM" setting on the street corner with a big sign saying "look here". Iraq is a big country, there are still people shooting and we do not have nearly enough "boots on the ground" to search every gully and ditch in 2 weeks. Get real, there is plenty of evidence that the WDMs exist it is simply a matter of turning over the right rock.

Those who doubt the existance of these weapons need do a short history of Saddam course.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.

So why was blix was wanting interviews with the locals?

The UN inspectors were being chaperoned at all time by Saddam's death squads...I doubt very seriously if any locals were going to tell them anything as their life and the life of their families outranks telling the truth.
 

fwtong

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So, uh, what did all the concrete, credible evidence point to? I mean, if they can't find it despite having concrete, credible evidence , does that mean that the concrete, credible evidence is about as useful as the forged uranium documents?
 

cpumaster

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no kidding?

Rumsfield = bumbling tumbling village idiot when it comes to speaking to the press (what if the army later found a cache of bio weapon without any help from Iraqis?)
although we have to admit he's quite a brilliant war planner or at least select brilliant war planner generals
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: bolinger
Translation: Instead of admitting there are no WMD in Iraq, let's say it's now the responsibility of the Iraqi people to disclose them. That way, the US doesn't look like a monumental jackass.
Further translation: They will be found in time, and most likely with the help of Iraqis. Finally, it will be clearly understood that the UN inspectors would have never achieved success in finding these weapons because, prior to the war, there were no Iraqis able to freely give assistance.

Of course, since it has been longer than five minutes that the US has been in Iraq, the US will undoubtably be accused of planting them. If the US only could have found something in that first five minutes since entering the country, it would have dispelled any possible belief of them having planted the weapons.

Or, perhaps the war was a complete waste of time. If this bears out, a mere conversation with the right people would reveal all. You don't need an Army to do that.
 

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The US just needs to send Powell and his over-head projector over to Iraq. He has all the slides already prepared! Geesh... Why wouldn't the Military ask Powell for those damn slides?!?! Idiots.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: cpumaster
no kidding?

Rumsfield = bumbling tumbling village idiot when it comes to speaking to the press (what if the army later found a cache of bio weapon without any help from Iraqis?)
although we have to admit he's quite a brilliant war planner or at least select brilliant war planner generals
Department of DeDense.
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I am not so sure the US war planning was as "brilliant" as the Iraqi "defense" was stupidly non-existant.

;)
 

cpumaster

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Iraqis defense non-existence? Try pulling down Saddam statue in the middle of Baghdad prior to the war....

our air superiority ensure the victory and quick finish for our ground troops...
Try going to war without any air support, I bet the stupidly non-existence Iraq defense would give us more problem than it's now...

 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: bolinger
The percentage of people accusing the US of planting WMD found in Iraq will be few.

I think the opposition cares less about being proven wrong than you guys care about being right.

It just seems really fishy when the Bushites keep putting new spins on the same issue; Rummy being the latest one to join the bandwagon.

My sentiments exactly.