rumour-NYT to publish names of secretive American operatives in Afghanistan

[SAWYER]

http://bigjournalism.com/bthor/2010...about-to-put-american-troops-in-deadly-peril/

I do not know the credibility of the link but if true, wtf..this would be treason

 

[K1052]

Breitbart....

 

[Lemon law]

I wonder if it will be published, I wonder if it will have the effects and contents the alarmists are saying it will, and if it informs the American people about some of our deals with the devil collisions with Afghan narcotic peddlers, it may be a good thing.

Dare we hope, another Pentagon paper type thing that exposes the big gap between what our government tells us and the truth.

But what the Washington post article says and what I am saying is sheer speculation.
At least I admit the speculation.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

if true, that's serious.

on the other hand, let's face it, govt. leaks all the time, and Scooter Libby outed a CIA operative (my recollection is that she was in fact undercover at the time, but regardless she was still a CIA operative). It's questionable if not outright illegal and/or treasonous, but the tug-of-war doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[halik]

http://bigjournalism.com/bthor/2010...about-to-put-american-troops-in-deadly-peril/

I do not know the credibility of the link but if true, wtf..this would be treason

Make no mistake, the Times is about to cause casualty rates in Afghanistan to skyrocket.

Err how? It's not like their names will somehow make them easier to find/identify/shoot. Are the tallibunnies gonna run around yelling their names to see who turns around?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Secret American operatives in Afghanistan?

My guess would be:

1) Bechtel Corporation;
2) Chevron;
3) Whatever is left of the Enron pipeline business;
4) Kellogg, Brown & Root;
5) The Louis Berger Group;
6) Black & Veatch;
7) The Rendon Group;
8) DynCorp;
9) Whatever Blackwater is called these days;
10) The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund and USAID;
11) MVM Security and the U.S. Protection & Investigations company; and
12) (________Insert a Gazillion Others Here_______)


We employ over 104,000 people in Afghanistan beyond our military personnel -- as of Q409, 9,322 were US citizens.





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[sandorski]

I heard a Rumour that People are pulling "Rumours" out of their Asses and turning them into "legitimate" stories.

 

[Fern]

if true, that's serious.

on the other hand, let's face it, govt. leaks all the time, and Scooter Libby outed a CIA operative (my recollection is that she was in fact undercover at the time, but regardless she was still a CIA operative). It's questionable if not outright illegal and/or treasonous, but the tug-of-war doesn't surprise me one bit.

No Scooter Libby did NOT out V. Plame.

It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame. Libby was busted for perjury of some sort.

Fern

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta some what agree with Fern, who sez, "No Scooter Libby did NOT out V. Plame.

It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame. Libby was busted for perjury of some sort."

And just like Jesus Christ died for our sins, poor ole Scooter Fibby, as mirror mirror on the wall, who is stupendous of them all. Point being, Scooter was not the first to out Palin, but he did his best to be the first.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

No Scooter Libby did NOT out V. Plame.

It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame. Libby was busted for perjury of some sort.

Fern

Apologies; you're right....I'm not sure why I was thinking it was Scooter and not Armitage.

From wikipedia:

On October 28, 2005, as a result of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, Special Counsel Fitzgerald indicted Libby on five counts: one count of obstruction of justice two counts of making false statements when interviewed by agents of the FBI, and two counts of perjury in his testimony before the grand jury

 

[StageLeft]

I heard a Rumour that People are pulling "Rumours" out of their Asses and turning them into "legitimate" stories.

this

 

[jonks]

Gotta some what agree with Fern, who sez, "No Scooter Libby did NOT out V. Plame.

It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame. Libby was busted for perjury of some sort."

And just like Jesus Christ died for our sins, poor ole Scooter Fibby, as mirror mirror on the wall, who is stupendous of them all. Point being, Scooter was not the first to out Palin, but he did his best to be the first.

freudian? heh

 

[Lemon law]

Whoops, jonks, you are right and I will correct the error.

 

[woolfe9999]

No Scooter Libby did NOT out V. Plame.

It was Richard Armitage who outed Plame. Libby was busted for perjury of some sort.

Fern

You're right, Libby was convicted of lying to investigators and under oath about what had happened. Armitage was the direct source to Novak. Yet it was obviously Dick Cheney whose idea this was. Everyone else is basically a scapegoat.

- wolf

 

[Lemon law]

You're right, Libby was convicted of lying to investigators and under oath about what had happened. Armitage was the direct source to Novak. Yet it was obviously Dick Cheney whose idea this was. Everyone else is basically a scapegoat.
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The somewhat initial suspect list after Plame was outed was basically confined to Rove and then Cheney second. And now without reason, because such tactics are exactly what they have a long history of doing in other similar situations.

But we have to hand it to people like Rove, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, they are very good at never putting such things in writing and they usually get other people to do their dirty work for them. So suspecting them was probably 100% accurate, but proving it is another.

But I have scant sympathy for Scooter Fibby, he clearly was not as good at covering his tracks, and thus got nailed for perjury and other deceptions. And the world still wonders, would Libby have given up the real culprits if GWB had not granted him a limited Pardon?

But for a measure of the Dick Cheney character, he has completely disassociated himself from Libby who probably took the fall for Cheney.

 

[PJABBER]

You're right, Libby was convicted of lying to investigators and under oath about what had happened. Armitage was the direct source to Novak. Yet it was obviously Dick Cheney whose idea this was. Everyone else is basically a scapegoat.
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The somewhat initial suspect list after Plame was outed was basically confined to Rove and then Cheney second. And now without reason, because such tactics are exactly what they have a long history of doing in other similar situations...

But I have scant sympathy for Scooter Fibby, he clearly was not as good at covering his tracks, and thus got nailed for perjury and other deceptions. And the world still wonders, would Libby have given up the real culprits if GWB had not granted him a limited Pardon?

But for a measure of the Dick Cheney character, he has completely disassociated himself from Libby who probably took the fall for Cheney.

You keep relying on radical Left web sites for your spin and, of course, that leaves you dazed and confused.

End of an Affair

The Washington Post
Friday, September 1, 2006

It turns out that the person who exposed CIA agent Valerie Plame was not out to punish her husband.

WE'RE RELUCTANT to return to the subject of former CIA employee Valerie Plame because of our oft-stated belief that far too much attention and debate in Washington has been devoted to her story and that of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, over the past three years. But all those who have opined on this affair ought to take note of the not-so-surprising disclosure that the primary source of the newspaper column in which Ms. Plame's cover as an agent was purportedly blown in 2003 was former deputy secretary of state Richard L. Armitage.

Mr. Armitage was one of the Bush administration officials who supported the invasion of Iraq only reluctantly. He was a political rival of the White House and Pentagon officials who championed the war and whom Mr. Wilson accused of twisting intelligence about Iraq and then plotting to destroy him. Unaware that Ms. Plame's identity was classified information, Mr. Armitage reportedly passed it along to columnist Robert D. Novak "in an offhand manner, virtually as gossip," according to a story this week by the Post's R. Jeffrey Smith, who quoted a former colleague of Mr. Armitage.

It follows that one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House -- that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson -- is untrue. The partisan clamor that followed the raising of that allegation by Mr. Wilson in the summer of 2003 led to the appointment of a special prosecutor, a costly and prolonged investigation, and the indictment of Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on charges of perjury. All of that might have been avoided had Mr. Armitage's identity been known three years ago...

Nevertheless, it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson (Valerie Plame's husband.) Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out -- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously.

As far as Cheney abandoning Libbey, the facts are completely opposite to what you claim.

Ex-VP Dick Cheney outraged President Bush didn't grant 'Scooter' Libby full pardon

BY Thomas M. Defrank
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Tuesday, February 17th 2009, 11:00 AM

In the waning days of the Bush administration, Vice President Dick Cheney launched a last-ditch campaign to persuade his boss to pardon Lewis (Scooter) Libby - and was furious when President George W. Bush wouldn't budge.

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Sources close to Cheney told the Daily News the former vice president repeatedly pressed Bush to pardon Libby, arguing his ex-chief of staff and longtime alter ego deserved a full exoneration - even though Bush had already kept Libby out of jail by commuting his 30-month prison sentence.

"He tried to make it happen right up until the very end," one Cheney associate said.

In multiple conversations, both in person and over the telephone, Cheney tried to get Bush to change his mind. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the federal probe of who leaked covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity to the press.

Several sources confirmed Cheney refused to take no for an answer. "He went to the mat and came back and back and back at Bush," a Cheney defender said. "He was still trying the day before Obama was sworn in."

After repeatedly telling Cheney his mind was made up, Bush became so exasperated with Cheney's persistence he told aides he didn't want to discuss the matter any further.

The unsuccessful full-court press left Cheney bitter. "He's furious with Bush," a Cheney source told The News. "He's really angry about it and decided he's going to say what he believes."

He did just that the day after becoming a private citizen. In an interview with The Weekly Standard, Cheney heaped praise on Libby and denounced his conviction. "He was the victim of a serious miscarriage of justice, and I strongly believe that he deserved a presidential pardon," Cheney said. "Obviously, I disagree with President Bush's decision."

The vehemence of Cheney's last-minute onslaught has struck some Bush loyalists as excessive. "At some point you have to accept the decision of the guy who appointed you," one of them said after learning the details. "I think Cheney was over the top."

A Cheney ally disagreed. "He had every right to push it as hard as he wanted," he argued. "Cheney places great store in loyalty and thinks Scooter got a raw deal."

In July 2007, at Cheney's urging, Bush commuted Libby's 30-month prison sentence. But he also said, "I respect the jury's verdict" and noted that his decision "leaves in place a harsh punishment" for the man often described as "Cheney's Cheney." Libby was fined $250,000, and as a convicted felon, he has been disbarred from practicing law and cannot vote.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ey_outraged_president_bush.html#ixzz0lIIu3dZ7
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For all of the fake outrage about identifying Plame as a CIA employee, one who was long finished with any covert involvement in the CIA, we now have the lefties cheering on the possible publishing by the New York Times of the names of former military and intelligence personnel that are currently active in providing force protection and intelligence services that keep Coalition military and government staff safe.

 

[werepossum]

You're right, Libby was convicted of lying to investigators and under oath about what had happened. Armitage was the direct source to Novak. Yet it was obviously Dick Cheney whose idea this was. Everyone else is basically a scapegoat.

- wolf

That Dick Cheney is an amazing man. Getting an anti-war, anti-Bush pinstriper like Armitage to take the heat for outing a covert CIA operative (never mind that she wasn't) is a big bag of awesome. Fitzgerald knew without question, with two weeks, both who leaked the name (Armitage in State) and that Plame did not qualify for protection - she was not a covert operative - so there had in fact been no possible crime. Fitzgerald of course also knew that if he did not prosecute SOMEONE for SOMETHING, then he was finished in politics and the judiciary. So he prosecuted Libby for saying under oath that he failed to recall a conversation and managed to convince a jury that Libby really did remember it, but was lying. (I would have immense sympathy for Libby except that no grown man should ever be known as 'Scooter'.) That a majority think (sorry, feel) that Libby was convicted for outing a covert CIA operative is due only to the diligence of the liberal Democrats and our main stream media - but I repeat myself.