Rumour: Canon 1Ds Mark IV on September 29, 2009 - *** NOW WITH PIC ***

[Eug]

Special event September 29

In the autumn the Canon one of their biggest and most important product launches in the company's history and we hope you can attend. During a lunch date you are welcome to listen to CEO Jouko Tuominen, Marketing Director Monica Forsberg and trend analyst Magnus Lindkvist, when they're talking about future trends and success factors in an increasingly digitalized everyday.

Date: 29 September
Time: Cl. 11-13

An invitation with more details coming soon. Welcome!


One photo editor/photographer claims it's a Mark IV replacement which would mean it's either a 1D or 1Ds or something along those lines.

I won?t say who told me ? but a well-placed person at one of the site sponsors told me last week that the new Canon Mark IV is coming out next month.

 

[Eug]

OK, not a pic of the product, but a pic of the event invitation.

 

[moks78]

Hopefully its true so I can get a cheaper mark iii body.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: moks78
Hopefully its true so I can get a cheaper mark iii body.

in what ways is the 1D Mark III better than the 5D Mark II? I know my wedding photog just got rid of all his 1D gear and now shoots only 5D Mark II. He isnt some small time photog either. He was voted one of knot's best for the past couple years and shoots regularly for theknot.com.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: moks78
Hopefully its true so I can get a cheaper mark iii body.

in what ways is the 1D Mark III better than the 5D Mark II? I know my wedding photog just got rid of all his 1D gear and now shoots only 5D Mark II. He isnt some small time photog either. He was voted one of knot's best for the past couple years and shoots regularly for theknot.com.

well, it's AF system is lightyears better for one =) It's not FF, but aps-h is pretty nice still. built in battery grip. built better overall. i want to say better sealing too, but not sure.

however, that's not to say it's better than a 5DmkII for weddings. it's FF for one, it's cheaper, it's got the resolution, a hair better higher ISO performance. no built in grip is lighter when you're running around for 8hrs taking pictures.

 

[Eug]

I have no experience with the 5D II (except for playing with it in the store), but I'm told its focusing isn't in the same league as the 1Ds III or 1D III.

I am guessing the announcement will be a new 1Ds IV with full HD p24 video support, possibly even with continuous autofocus and more robust audio support than the 5D and 7D.

I also am going to guess they're gonna drop the 1.3X cameras completely. They'll cram all the 1.3X high-end features into the 1.0X 1Ds line, and then set the price at something more reachable than the existing full frame flag-ship cameras. ie. Full frame 1Ds with 10+ fps shooting.

Of course, since I have no experience with the 1D cameras, take my comments with a big grain of salt.

 

[randomlinh]

They'll keep the 1Ds where it is, maybe drop it's price some, and introduce their new flagship as the 1Di, ha.

 

[Deadtrees]

Now that Canon has 7d which steals much of 1D series spots, I'm quite interested in what this new 1D series has to offer.
Especially so consdering how Canon said "Canon one of their biggest and most important product launches in the company's history."

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

I hope this one doesn't suck

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I hope this one doesn't suck

perhaps that's why the 5DmkII didn't come with a new mirror box or focus module: Canon was working double to make sure the 1DmkIV was right.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I hope this one doesn't suck

nah, canon won't ever have anything that won't suck for you =P tho, on a somewhat serious note, it's amazing they STILL lock you in on AEB on the 7D.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Now that Canon has 7d which steals much of 1D series spots, I'm quite interested in what this new 1D series has to offer.
Especially so consdering how Canon said "Canon one of their biggest and most important product launches in the company's history."

steal what? fullframe? i really don't get it how so many think the 7D is a true challenger to the 5Dmk2 or the 1D series. IMO its a 1D for crop...and to many, the latter isn't acceptable (note: to me its fine and i don't care lol)
So as long as 1D is FF, the 7D is just a "crop" from the perspective of those who actually use them. Otherwise then we need to resasses this whole "APS is dead" argument that has been going on for years (where a lot of support comes from those who have FF...which is why I think they wouldn't care about the 1D camera for crop cams).

Anyways we'll see what happens. I'm sure they'll try to make sure it knocks whatever Nikon has to keep their seat secured.

 

[Eug]

I agree, the 7D in some ways is like a 1D for crop. However apparently the weather sealing isn't as good, and we're still not sure how good the autofocus tracking is. (The autofocus for the 50D isn't up the 1D class apparently.)

OTOH, the 7D seems to have the indie videographers all drooling, because it solves most of the problems associated with the 5D Mark II for video work (excluding the issues associated with just being an SLR and not a dedicated videocam).

It's clear from the 7D announcement that 1.6X is firmly entrenched (and I've been saying that all along).

However, what this also says to me is that we could see price drops on the 1D side of things, while the cameras (on full frame, with 1.3X killed off) becoming even more feature rich.

For example:

1) 7D has supposed much improved autofocus, and is better than the 50D. I predict the new 1Ds will still be several notches higher, due to improvements in that class too. (They've had a couple of years to work on it.)

2) 7D will get 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, as well as 720p60 video. I suspect the new 1Ds will get 1080p60 and maybe 1080p48 or even perhaps 1080p120 video.

3) 7D has 8 fps shooting. I suspect the new 1Ds will get double digit fps on full frame.

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P.S. With regards to video. I find it kinda ironic with these cameras that 1080p24 or 1080p30 isn't a big issue with our Compact Flash cards anymore.

The big issue is taking still pictures. Doing sports photography is much, much, much more stressful on the flash memory cards in terms of data transfer rates than is high definition video.

To put it in perspective:

The Canon 7D saves 1080p24 and 1080p30 video as H.264, at 5.5 MB/s. That works out to 47 Mbps, which is actually much higher bitrate than Blu-ray video, or a similar AV bitrate as Blu-ray when you add in all the various audio tracks that Blu-ray movies have. This is simple for newer memory cards.

OTOH, saving 20+ MP RAW files at 12 fps is quite hard.

 

[corkyg]

Originally posted by: magomago
... So as long as 1D is FF, the 7D is just a "crop" from the perspective of those who actually use them. ...

The 1D is NOT FF. It has a 1.3X crop factor. The 1Ds is FF.

 

[Deadtrees]

Based on what I gathered, it might not be about new 1D series DSLR at all. Rather, it might be about SED TV announcement and I'm quite positive about it.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Rather, it might be about SED TV announcement and I'm quite positive about it.

Not a chance.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Based on what I gathered, it might not be about new 1D series DSLR at all. Rather, it might be about SED TV announcement and I'm quite positive about it.

SED TV?

 

[Shimmishim]

I've been going back and forth about getting rid of my 1D mark III for a few weeks now. I'm doing mostly portrait work so the 1D seems a bit overkill. The 5D mark II has been a great little camera and I'm thinking of getting a second one...

But yes, the 1D's AF is far superior to the 5D's... by a mile or more...

The 7D looks interesting but... it's hard to go from 1.3x and FF to 1.6x again. Not to say that 7D doesn't sound nice...

I wonder if the new 1D will be similar to the 7D but with slightly more selectable AF points, better video control/options, higher FPS rate, and come with the aps-h sensor.

 

[Eug]

My guess is the new 1Ds or whatever it's called will blow the 7D out of the water in some respects... if you can stomach the cost. Considering you have a 1D3, I'd say you can stomach the cost.

FWIW, Stephen Eastwood claims the 7D has much better autofocus than the 5D Mark II.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Aharami
SED TV?

SED was the holy grail of television. CRT, but with an electron gun for every single pixel, with a form factor like plasma (ie. thin).

Basically, you get a TV with really, really, really high contrast, wide viewing angle, and it's flat. Blacks are true black, because it just means the pixel is off. In an LCD, black is actually grey, because the backlight is still on.

Several prototypes have been made, and by all accounts they are totally awesome, but Toshiba has gone on record as saying that it will probably be impossible for SED to compete in the consumer market due to cost. However, they said it could probably do OK in the high end business, commercial, medical, etc. market. Toshiba has since sold its interest in SED to its partner in the project, which is Canon.

 

[ivan2]

can't wait to get some good deals on the Mark 2. almost dropped a grand on one last year, i hope some good working samples will come down in price.

 

[ElFenix]

meh, i'm going with high end copier announcement.

 

[randay]

if it has the full frame version of the 7d sensor, im gonna be put into the poor house.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Eug
My guess is the new 1Ds or whatever it's called will blow the 7D out of the water in some respects... if you can stomach the cost. Considering you have a 1D3, I'd say you can stomach the cost.

FWIW, Stephen Eastwood claims the 7D has much better autofocus than the 5D Mark II.

Well the 5D Mark II's center point for Ai Servo is actually pretty darn good... the outer points suck big time.

If the 5D Mark II had 19 point AF, it'd be almost the perfect camera.

I figure the Mark III will probably have more AF points.

Not sure if I'll get a Mark IV. I just don't need anything that powerful. There's a good chance the Mark III will be gone pretty soon.

 

[finbarqs]

The good thing about the Crop sensors is that most lenses... in fact all lenses are always sharper in the center, and gradually become "less sharp" as you reach corners. I think they call this the spherical abberations (Not to be confused with CA -- correct me if i'm wrong). Hence, a Full frame camera would only be advantageous in composition, and having larger pixels per sensor to achieve higher megapixels.

To me (again, correct me if I'm wrong), 24p is useless without 1/48th of a shutter, to simulate film's 180 degree angle. 1/50th exist though, without any problems. The panasonic GH-1 I know has the 1/48th shutter, and an Autofocus mode that tracks people as they move during video recording.

Anyways, with crop sensors, you eliminate the "less-sharp" corners and just have a higher MP frame of the "sharper frame". Anyways, 5D Mark 2 vs. 1D series is no contest. I would gladly trade my 5D Mark 2 for a 1Ds Mark 2. Better construction, better weather seals, more AF points, faster focus acquisition, low light focusing. A lot of this has to do with auto-focusing, I suppose. I can live without the 900k LCD.