Rumor that Celeron will be 90nm next year

[astroview]

From Xbitlabs... (ok so maybe it's not the best source)

A year from now Intel will introduce new Celeron processors for desktop computers with new bus and enlarged L2 cache. The chips will be manufactured already using 90nm technology and will certainly derive from the highly-anticipated Prescott core.

Full Story here: 90nm Celeron Processors to Come Next Year

 

[alankool]

I dont even know why Intel keeps the celeron going. i guess to trick people into thinking a MHz is the only factor in how fast a cpu is :disgust:

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: alankool
I dont even know why Intel keeps the celeron going. i guess to trick people into thinking a MHz is the only factor in how fast a cpu is :disgust:

It is a great processor for one specific use: office applications. It runs just as fast as any other processor out there for that use and it is quite cheap. Thus if all you need is to write a few word documents and browse the internet (think the majority of computer users) then it is perfect. However you are correct that if you have other uses - complex calculations, gaming, etc then it is a worthless piece of crap. But think of all the businesses and all the schools and all the grandparents out there that only use the Celerons strengths and none of its weaknesses.

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: dullard

It is a great processor for one specific use: office applications. It runs just as fast as any other processor out there for that use and it is quite cheap. Thus if all you need is to write a few word documents and browse the internet (think the majority of computer users) then it is perfect. However you are correct that if you have other uses - complex calculations, gaming, etc then it is a worthless piece of crap. But think of all the businesses and all the schools and all the grandparents out there that only use the Celerons strengths and none of its weaknesses.

He dares speak the truth!

Pretty brave defending a celeron on these boards these days, but that's exactly why I put one together for my mother. She'll never notice the difference.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: mrzed
He dares speak the truth!

Pretty brave defending a celeron on these boards these days, but that's exactly why I put one together for my mother. She'll never notice the difference.

I know I'll be flamed to death for saying that. I would never buy a Celeron myself. But there are people I'd recommend it to (assuming they refuse to buy a cheap AMD processor).

 

[astroview]

With a 90nm, faster bus, and more cache this would make next year's celeron very similar in performance to current P4s. Thats why I'm looking forward to it. Granted next years P4s (or dare I say P5s) should wipe the floor with future celerons, but better performance for any chip never hurt.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: alankool
I dont even know why Intel keeps the celeron going. i guess to trick people into thinking a MHz is the only factor in how fast a cpu is :disgust:

So as to maintain the 'Pentium' brand name as being that of a high-end microprocessor.

In any case, that 90nm Celeron's are coming next year is to be expected.... the big question is will Intel finally bump up the L2 cache?
Even a 400MHz FSB/512K Celeron would be pretty respectable in terms of performance.

 

[dmw16]

I built 10 Celeron based rigs for a small business and they are pleased with them.
-doug

 

[TwilightZone77]

Originally posted by: Rand

Originally posted by: alankool I dont even know why Intel keeps the celeron going. i guess to trick people into thinking a MHz is the only factor in how fast a cpu is :disgust:

So as to maintain the 'Pentium' brand name as being that of a high-end microprocessor. In any case, that 90nm Celeron's are coming next year is to be expected.... the big question is will Intel finally bump up the L2 cache? Even a 400MHz FSB/512K Celeron would be pretty respectable in terms of performance.

According to that article, it will have 256k cache, more than now but still the same as a pathetic old Willy. Although it looks like it might have a 533 MHz bus.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: TwilightZone77

Originally posted by: Rand

Originally posted by: alankool I dont even know why Intel keeps the celeron going. i guess to trick people into thinking a MHz is the only factor in how fast a cpu is :disgust:

So as to maintain the 'Pentium' brand name as being that of a high-end microprocessor. In any case, that 90nm Celeron's are coming next year is to be expected.... the big question is will Intel finally bump up the L2 cache? Even a 400MHz FSB/512K Celeron would be pretty respectable in terms of performance.

According to that article, it will have 256k cache, more than now but still the same as a pathetic old Willy. Although it looks like it might have a 533 MHz bus.

Certainly an improvement, but a Willamette at higher clock/FSB still isnt going to offer much relative to the AXP except in a small few applications..definitely not even remotely a viable alternative to the Prescott/A64 even for the price-conscious.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I think its a perfectly good choice because why should they keep it on the old process if newer ones are avilable?

 

[Snooper]

I really don't know what the plans are, but I do know that it makes good economic sense to put the smaller die (Celeron) onto the newest process. The smaller the die size, the bigger the improvement (as measured in good die out) for a given process shrink. That is one reason Intel is striving to be "one generation ahead" in all technologies, even flash.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Intel really does rock the world. Everyone is still struggling with the .13mu process while they're plowing into .09mu.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Everyone is still struggling with the .13mu process while they're plowing into .09mu.

True, But Intel is still struggling behind with getting SOI implemented.

 

[squidman]

old amds are still a lot more kickass than celerys.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: squidman
old amds are still a lot more kickass than celerys.

I can assure you a 1.4Ghz Tualatin Celeron can lay the smack down on just about any non-XP AMD cpu.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Everyone is still struggling with the .13mu process while they're plowing into .09mu.

True, But Intel is still struggling behind with getting SOI implemented.

Not really. Intel has decided not to put much effort into partially depleted SOI. There's basically no reason to use SOI at this time. And with Intel's success with .13µ and thus far with .09µ, (all on 300mm wafers), it's hard to argue the need for SOI.

When fully depleted SOI wafers become a feasible option, then you might see Intel using them.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Everyone is still struggling with the .13mu process while they're plowing into .09mu.

True, But Intel is still struggling behind with getting SOI implemented.

Not really. Intel has decided not to put much effort into partially depleted SOI. There's basically no reason to use SOI at this time. And with Intel's success with .13µ and thus far with .09µ, (all on 300mm wafers), it's hard to argue the need for SOI.

When fully depleted SOI wafers become a feasible option, then you might see Intel using them.

Is there going to be more benefit to going with strained silicon as opposed to SOI?

 

[mattg1981]

Yeah .. what everyone else is saying ...

next time I have to build my mom or pop a computer .. I will use a celeron to cut the price.

 

[JetBlack69]

I wonder how it will overclock on the .09 process?