Rumor: Sony is open to selling its mobile phone division

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Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/sony-ceo-idUSL3N0UM09H20150112

Jan 13 (Reuters) - Sony Corp CEO Kazuo Hirai has weathered a crisis over a cyberattack on its Hollywood studio and its controversial comedy "The Interview", but his toughest moment may be just arriving as he prepares a new business revival plan.

After failing to turn around the storied creator of the Walkman since taking the helm in April 2012, Hirai and his deputies are now open to options including sales and joint ventures for its money-losing TV and mobile phone operations, company officials familiar with the leadership's thinking say.

Sony, which has cut its earnings forecasts six times on Hirai's watch, forecasts a 230 billion yen ($1.9 billion) net loss for the business year to March, and will suspend dividend payments for the first time, after deep smartphone losses.

Sony management recognises that "no business is forever", one source told Reuters. Although no deals are on the table, "every segment now needs to understand that Sony can exit businesses", he added.

Last year Sony sold its Vaio personal computer business and spun off its TV operations, cutting 5,000 jobs in addition to the 10,000 slashed earlier after Hirai took over.

But even as many analysts say further drastic action is needed, such as a full-fledged exit from TVs, Hirai used last week's high-profile Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas to push an array of new gadgets, including a super-slim TVs and a $1,100 Walkman digital-music player.

He stressed the success of Sony's imaging sensors for cameras and its PlayStation 4, saying the company has sold 18.5 million of the game consoles, putting it ahead of Microsoft Corp's Xbox One and Nintendo Co's WiiU.

Sony has refused proposals for aggressive action before, such as a 2013 demand from influential hedge fund manager Daniel Loeb to spin off part of its profitable entertainment business to fund an overhaul of the struggling electronics operations.

'DRASTIC REFORMS'

As he prepares the latest revival plan ahead of the new business year, Hirai, 54, must decide what to do with the financially weak operations that have already been subject to heavy cost cuts.

He told a small group of reporters at the Las Vegas show that his reforms have succeeded "in some parts but not in others".

"Electronics in general, along with entertainment and finance, will continue to be an important business," he said. "But within that there are some operations that will need to be run with caution - and that might be TV or mobile, for example."

Yet cost cuts and a focus on high-end phones, a strategy led by Hiroki Totoki, the new chief of Sony's mobile division, aren't enough, said Citigroup analyst Kota Ezawa.

"The mobile and TV businesses both require a drastic overhaul," he said. "Without drastic reforms such as joint ventures or alliances, they will both be in the red three years from now."

Exiting the TV business would mean heavy restructuring costs and lost sales. Potential buyers might not want all the division's assets, let alone at a high premium.

But Japanese rival Panasonic Corp has succeeding in shifting focus from TVs and DVD players to growth areas such as advanced driver-assistance systems and high-margin home appliances under CEO Kazuhiro Tsuga, who took office around the same time as Hirai.

"Anyone can make TVs these days," Tsuga said after browsing rival booths at CES. "But you see this in smartphones too, not just TV."

Indeed, Sony expects a 180 billion yen impairment charge for its mobile phone business after struggling to compete with cut-price Asian rivals and failing to close the gap with Apple Inc and Samsung Electronics Co in high-end smartphones.

The same predicament forced Nokia to sell its mobile phone business to Microsoft and Sony's former JV partner Ericsson to sell its stake in 2012. ($1 = 118.5000 yen) (Additional reporting by Reiji Murai; Editing by William Mallard and Alex Richardson)
 

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I have the Xperia Z3V, and it's a phenomenal phone. But Sony has limited marketing for the Xperia brand, and ultimately, they might as well not even exist in the USA. They've had limited availability on T-Mobile, but they JUST now got something onto one of the big carriers proper. That's far too late for a consumer giant. Japan is a big business center and I am sure Sony had some success there, but it really seems that without market penetration in the US, they just aren't going to succeed. Fantastic devices but nobody sees them.
 

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There has been talk from people outside sony and investors of about them selling off just about every facet of it's electronic businesses at some point over the last couple of years.

They got rid of pc, TV looks to follow soon. Toss out phone and console, and what is left, camera and media players? GE just bailed on the appliajce market, not sure I'd be looking there for some type of salvation.
 

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So Sony wants to sell the only non-gaming division that has impressed in years? Figures.

It's kind of a real shame how long it took Sony to put out some really nice devices. For a long time, they kept putting out devices with some serious flaws (poor viewing angles etc).

The Z3 is pretty awesome. I personally think I will be getting a Z4 if they keep all the awesome parts of the Z3 and just make it faster (and slightly bigger with QHD if rumors are true).

Awesome display + front facing speaker + epic battery life = win

The fact that it took Sony so long to put out a device with those features is pretty ridiculous.
 

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Such a shame as others have mentioned; their current offerings are great, and I honestly think they, at this moment, have the best industrial design of all smartphones out there.

It took a few iterations to get the hardware and software there...but without marketing and advertising you'll never go anywhere.
 

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From what I've heard, while the Xperia phones are nice they aren't selling. Sony doesn't exactly market them. I seem to recall carrier specific deals as well, which is usually a death sentence for a struggling brand.

I can see Sony purging off a lot of their electronics divisions. Keeping PlayStation of course, along with cameras and professional gear. Though even in broadcast, I don't see their equipment as much as I used to. Panasonic kinda took over when P2 cards became the defacto standard for ENG camera storage. ProDisc never took off. Ikegami is becoming popular for reference displays.
 
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their design hasn't been aesthetically pleasing and their marketing is terrible. I always have to remind myself that they make phones.
 

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Good move. Android smartphones are a commodity, low profit business. And it's only going to get more so.
 

lupi

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Except for the current new hot thing, you just described the entire electronics industry.
 

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Once upon a time, Sony was a premium brand that was actually sought after and they did a lot of pioneering with products like the Walkman.

The way I've heard their demise described is that they started enforcing a mandatory retirement age which lead to a massive loss of key engineering talent who not only left Sony, but moved to work at other companies.

They still make some good products and supply many other companies with some great components that are quite good, but they've certainly fallen from where they were.
 

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This rumor seems to be grounded in intra-political fights from the looks of it. Sony has appeared quite enthusiastic about its present/future mobile products recently - they have some of the most compelling Android smartphones and tablets on the market, and it has shown willingness to work with dev/enthusiasts community.

Apparently that is but one faction. Another faction is now engaged in negative PR.. hmm. (willing to burn the bridge?)

I hope Sony keeps at it. Sony has too good a product line in its Xperia series to call it quits. (and I like my Xperia Z Ultra a lot)
 

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Well, I liked my Z1 Compact and I love my Z3 Compact, but when I look around school (36 thousand students) I dont think I see any other Sony's.
 

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Anyone that believes this is a fool. Think about this: SONY makes the camera, battery, they're part of the group that makes the screen and have a hand in other, smaller parts of a phone. They are the Tier 1 OEM for these components so WTF would they abandon a market where they actually lead in component manufacturing and design? In PCs many parts have to be outsourced and people were moving away from them so it was smart to abandon a dying market. Even in television I believe they source their parts from LG. Mobile is different. Mobile is just getting started and to abandon it would leave a lot of opportunities (and money) on the table for others to take. SONY tried the Samsung thing and it backfired (making too many models), now they should try the Apple route with just a few models. If they abandon the phone (tablets aren't so important) then investors should call for the head of the CEO. They should double-down on mobile and increase advertisement, but not those weird/useless ads we usually see from them. Marketing is key but that should be obvious to a company that still has an extremely loyal following despite years of hardship. I'll tell you this, I'd rather buy a SONY product than a Samsung any day of the week.
 
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Anyone that believes this is a fool. Think about this: SONY makes the camera, battery, they're part of the group that makes the screen and have a hand in other, smaller parts of a phone. They are the Tier 1 OEM for these components so WTF would they abandon a market where they actually lead in component manufacturing and design?

Because they don't have a solid base in the only market that won't be ruined by the Chinese-ification of Android in 2015. The margins are about to go bye bye outside the US.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Sony getting out of the phone making business isn't the same thing as Sony exiting the mobile sector. They still make components that lots of other manufacturers put into their phones. Maybe Sony feels this is where the easier money can be made rather than trying to compete with the entire package.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they do leave the smartphone sector. They are losing a butt ton of money staying in it, and its just going to get worse for them trying to compete with the new Chinese manufacturers.
 

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Anyone that believes this is a fool. Think about this: SONY makes the camera, battery, they're part of the group that makes the screen and have a hand in other, smaller parts of a phone. They are the Tier 1 OEM for these components so WTF would they abandon a market where they actually lead in component manufacturing and design?

They make decent camera sensors but thats not going to support their failing phone sector.
 

Dari

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Because they don't have a solid base in the only market that won't be ruined by the Chinese-ification of Android in 2015. The margins are about to go bye bye outside the US.

There's still a market for premium products, and one that does not require an entirely different ecosystem. They can make a base from that and expand on that. Also, there's a reason why the Chinese actors with dirt cheap phones have not set foot in Europe, the US, or Japan. It's because they don't have any IP and would be sued into oblivion. For now, they're in states with weak or non-existent IP laws, and their prices reflect that. Getting back to SONY. I don't see why they cannot leverage their brand and all that it represents to make an awesome phone. My wife got a Z3 last November and she's stopped using her Nexus 7 and iPad because of it. In fact, she only uses her X1 Carbon for coding. Everything is done on the Z3, from reading the Japanese manga app Comico to watching shows to forex trading. If she can fall in love with that phone I can't imagine why others can't as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do leave the smartphone sector. They are losing a butt ton of money staying in it, and its just going to get worse for them trying to compete with the new Chinese manufacturers.

They tried to make a phone for every man, every region and it cost them a lot. Scale back and there's a chance they could be profitable. Even Samsung has realized the cost of making too many phones. Point is, a smartphone has a certain cachet to it and abandoning it is no different from abandoning an entire generation of people. Stupid move.

They make decent camera sensors but thats not going to support their failing phone sector.

Failures can be reversed.
 
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WelshBloke

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Also, there's a reason why the Chinese actors with dirt cheap phones have not set foot in Europe, the US, or Japan. It's because they don't have any IP and would be sued into oblivion.

Maybe the Chinese will buy out the Sony phone dept?

Win/win

Point is, a smartphone has a certain cachet to it and abandoning it is no different from abandoning an entire generation of people. Stupid move.



Failures can be reversed.

Failures can be reversed yes, but at what expense? Burning an amount of money that they may not be able to afford just to capture a bit of cachet doesnt seem like good business sense.