[rumor]Big changes at Circuit City!!

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db

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"Circuit City was generally known for having better customer service ... because they were commissioned and thus cared more about the cusotmer..."

OMG - are you serious?
I have a hug hate-on for CC. Swarming sales people want to diddle your wallet, then don't give a f*** after you are gone and later have a problem.
Shelves of software without prices and they get an attitude when I ask what the price is.
CC sucks and they can go down forever AFAIC.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: db
"Circuit City was generally known for having better customer service ... because they were commissioned and thus cared more about the cusotmer..."

OMG - are you serious?
I have a hug hate-on for CC. Swarming sales people want to diddle your wallet, then don't give a f*** after you are gone and later have a problem.
Shelves of software without prices and they get an attitude when I ask what the price is.
CC sucks and they can go down forever AFAIC.
... at your location.

They're fine over here.
 

Codewiz

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I usually shop at CC because sales people usually care a little more than at BB since their pay is dependant on it.

BUT I had a bad experience over the Holidays. My mom asked what i wanted for Christmas. I told her a home theater system. I looked around and found one at Circuit City that I liked. I showed it to my mom. Well she goes into get it and the asshat sales person just takes advantage of my mom. I know for a fact that the commission is different for different makers. He talked my mom into another brand that was priced the same. He said it was better knowing damn well it wasn't. He just got a better commission. He talked my mom into a sony system just because he got a better commission off of it. That really pissed me off. It really took all my power not to go in there and let him know what I thought of his tactics.

My mom knew nothing about home theater systems and that is why I picked it out. The salesman was just slick and made my mom think she was doing so much better with what she bought. That put me in a position that I didn't want my mom to think she was stupid and I just kept the system she got me. It is a good system just not as good as the one I pointed out.

I was a sales person at Sears and I was on commission so I know the tactics used. I alway sold people what they wanted and gave honest opinions based on my knowledge not my commission rate for a product. I worked with plenty of guys that would take advantage of people's ignorance of a product which I found disgusting.
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: db
"Circuit City was generally known for having better customer service ... because they were commissioned and thus cared more about the cusotmer..."

OMG - are you serious?
I have a hug hate-on for CC. Swarming sales people want to diddle your wallet, then don't give a f*** after you are gone and later have a problem.
Shelves of software without prices and they get an attitude when I ask what the price is.
CC sucks and they can go down forever AFAIC.

Wow, nothing like that around here. They have a really good return policy (not sure what you mean by "dont care after gone and later have problem", cause they return stuff VERY easy).

No swarming sales people either. They greet you when you come in, but go back to their stations if you dont need anything. They generally hang around the area untill you ask for help, but they dont bother you over and over. Sounds like rubbish to me. Atleast thats the case in the 3 local CC here.
 

Deeko

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BUT I had a bad experience over the Holidays. My mom asked what i wanted for Christmas. I told her a home theater system. I looked around and found one at Circuit City that I liked. I showed it to my mom. Well she goes into get it and the asshat sales person just takes advantage of my mom. I know for a fact that the commission is different for different makers. He talked my mom into another brand that was priced the same. He said it was better knowing damn well it wasn't. He just got a better commission. He talked my mom into a sony system just because he got a better commission off of it. That really pissed me off. It really took all my power not to go in there and let him know what I thought of his tactics.
Incorrect. Commission at Circuit City no longer works off spiffs. You are paid a flat percentage, based on class. This all went into effect summer of '01....so like all computers make you 1.7%, imaging 2.8%, wireless 8.5%, service 15%, etc. In his experiences, he must have honestly thought the sony was better.
 

tigerbait

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Originally posted by: Deeko
BUT I had a bad experience over the Holidays. My mom asked what i wanted for Christmas. I told her a home theater system. I looked around and found one at Circuit City that I liked. I showed it to my mom. Well she goes into get it and the asshat sales person just takes advantage of my mom. I know for a fact that the commission is different for different makers. He talked my mom into another brand that was priced the same. He said it was better knowing damn well it wasn't. He just got a better commission. He talked my mom into a sony system just because he got a better commission off of it. That really pissed me off. It really took all my power not to go in there and let him know what I thought of his tactics.
Incorrect. Commission at Circuit City no longer works off spiffs. You are paid a flat percentage, based on class. This all went into effect summer of '01....so like all computers make you 1.7%, imaging 2.8%, wireless 8.5%, service 15%, etc. In his experiences, he must have honestly thought the sony was better.

and when they had spiffs, at least as far as I remember in the audio department, the Sony stuff didn't usually pay as much as others.
 

CPA

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Well, looks like it's Sears for. With them you can make up a price and they'll match it.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

I've never seen that happen at my store.
It's happened to me many times. However, I've started to prefere Circuit City because they're not pushing the extended service plans like Best Buy is all the time. :)

i feel, personally, that this will be bad for the company.
I feel that it will be bad for the customers. Why? Because the Circuit City sales people will start acting like Best Buy salespeople - and push extended warranties all the time so they can get fatter paychecks. :(
 

Deeko

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i feel, personally, that this will be bad for the company.
I feel that it will be bad for the customers. Why? Because the Circuit City sales people will start acting like Best Buy salespeople - and push extended warranties all the time so they can get fatter paychecks. :(

which is exactly why it will be bad for the company, because what is bad for the cusomter is bad for the company.
 

fr

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It might not exactly suck for the employees if it goes through. It depends on how they will base the hourly pay. If some people will be making $17-$20+ an hour with little pressure to sell, that's pretty good for the employee in most cases. The problems will be for the customers because most of the SC will slack off more often. They might as well remove the locks from the break room because they will always be a bunch of people in it.


Some people here like CC because they don't get ignored. Some people here don't like CC because they feel harassed. You can't please everyone I guess.
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

that's how i feel. non-commissioned stores are much nicer.
 

achiral

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honestly, i have to admit that the extended service plan bs that they shove down everyone's throat had gotten pretty bad. but i haven't noticed much of it lately. and honestly for some products it's a really good idea. and they don't give you any shite when you return stuff if you've bought the plan.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

that's how i feel. non-commissioned stores are much nicer.

For people like you, that don't need help. youa re the miniority.
 

RGN

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
LOL, over in here in Charlotte, near the Carolina Mall, I went to BB the other day and it was closed. I was like WTF??? Then there's a sign on the door saying, "we moved across the street into a new/bigger store". You know how much money is wasted just to move a store across the street? They must have money to waste...unlike CC...

The CC in my town moved across the street to a new and bigger store last year. This year Kohls is doing the same.
 

achiral

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

that's how i feel. non-commissioned stores are much nicer.

For people like you, that don't need help. youa re the miniority.

if he was the minority circuit city wouldn't be doing so poorly
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: achiral
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

that's how i feel. non-commissioned stores are much nicer.

For people like you, that don't need help. youa re the miniority.

if he was the minority circuit city wouldn't be doing so poorly

circuit city is certainly not doing poorly because of customer service. Do understand, as a salesperson there, I know what types of customers we generally get. Most of them have NO IDEA what they are looking for, they just know that they want a computer, or a home theater system, and have a price range. Those people NEED HELP, and often won't ask for it. Circuit is doing poorly because a) many stores are older/smaller than BB(hence the remodeling) b) several recent(in the last 5 years) advertising campaigns were terrible and ineffective and c) they pay sales people more
 

badluck

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You mean they don't get to bug the crap out of me on the rare occasion that I walk in there? This is definately a good thing...
 

SyahM

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i only help customer when they need help. For most of the time, i greet them and just trying to chit-chat but some customers who think they know everything will act so rude that they are insulting and degrading!
But most of the customers come to me and ask for help - which is my priority. I work to help people not to fatten my paycheck. There are enough customer that i dont have to push sales and still making good money.
So please, next time when you're in store, please have some respect and dont judge us so quick.
enough said. wonder what's the meeting all about tomorrow ...
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: bozo1
If you call 'better customer service' being attacked by 5 sales people within 1 minute of walking in the door, I guess so. I call it annoying as hell.

that's how i feel. non-commissioned stores are much nicer.
How can you say that? Best Buy is a non-commissioned store. However, their employees are major droids and try to pimp the extended warranties on al products that they sell like there's no tomorrow. Actually, I'm sick of "big box" style stores with pimple-faced sales people. Enough is enough - and there's a reason why I make 80%+ of my purchases from on-line vendors.
 

vtqanh

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I'm not sure how far CC will go to save their business. But they've done a good job so far. At 02/03/02, Share volume was about 2.5 million. At the end of 02/04/02, share volume if more than 5 million!!! Crazy! I think it's a good time to buy CC stock right now, especially when it is very low now (about 6.59 right now - i would expect it to go up as high as 18 in the next three months due to the high expectations in profit gain)
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: vtqanh
I'm not sure how far CC will go to save their business. But they've done a good job so far. At 02/03/02, Share volume was about 2.5 million. At the end of 02/04/02, share volume if more than 5 million!!! Crazy! I think it's a good time to buy CC stock right now, especially when it is very low now (about 6.59 right now - i would expect it to go up as high as 18 in the next three months due to the high expectations in profit gain)

The stock as plummeted recently, I was following it in fall/summer and it was around 10-15...I can't imagine it going any lower, and today's activities, while terrible for employees, should do wonders for the stock...buy now fellas!
 

NoSlander

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I'm a forum regular, posting anonymously to avoid any slander/libel suits. :) Actually, everything I say here is truth, so I have nothing to worry about. I worked for both BB and CC. I can tell you first hand, BB pays MUCH less. Some experienced Video salesmen at CC would bring in $40-$45K/yr. That was back in '97. I worked in Audio, and didn't try very hard, and made $25K. Much more than the $5.75/hr I made at BB. Since graduating and quitting CC, I now shop at BB. True, I am the minority who knows what they're looking for, but I don't trust commissioned salespeople. I should know - I was one. CC made it easy on you to know what to sell. Just push what pays the most. The more margin CC gets, the more commission they pay the employee. If a $299 Onkyo stereo pays $10, and a $299 Sony pays $5?.Onkyo is the better of the two. (Well, it is anyway.) And I would talk up the Onkyo much more than the Sony. That was back when we had spiffs. Not sure about the new percentage commission structure.

Then there's the whole extended warranty thing. No matter what you sell, you can double your commission by selling the warranty, or the "cheese" as it was known at CC. Does the customer really need it? Who cares, I'm selling it. You're motivated by what helps your paycheck, and nothing else. It's set up that way to make more money for the company. At BB, the employees don't know jack, but they don't have any ulterior motives for you buying something. Maybe for someone (like my parents), the $199 TV would suit them just fine. But if you go to CC, the salesman is not going to make you feel good about buying it. I really struggled with that when I worked there. It's one thing to understand why the expensive model is better than the cheapo, and you can communicate that to the customer. But there is a real sense of animosity against people who buy cheap stuff and those who pass on the warranty. I've heard salesmen say (after the customer leaves), "I hope it breaks on them!" for declining the warranty. Or when that customer comes back with a problem, I've heard, "I'm not helping them. They should have bought the warranty when they had the chance." This is a customer who put money in your paycheck, sometimes even a HUGE commission. They chose to buy from you instead of a competitor. But if they didn't buy the warranty, they might as well have bought from another store. You don't see customers as people, they're wallets on legs.

You also get managed for your sales margin. So the Pioneer speakers for $49 each actually have a negative margin when they're on sale for $29 each. You see the margin when you pull up an item on the screen, and if it's low or negative, you try not to sell it, because you will get reamed if you have too low of margin for the month. Usually, the cheap items in the ad are the low margin stuff. So you DO NOT want to sell anything in the Sunday ad. In fact, every Sunday, the management would hand out ad cheat sheets, that showed comparable models to what was in the ad, and selling points to move people up. But you had to make sure you offered the ad piece if they wanted it, to avoid bait-and-switch. I remember one monthly meeting with my manager, he had a list of everything I sold for the month. (This is right before I quit, when I just didn't care and couldn't look myself in the mirror for deceiving customers any longer.) He showed me how many ADV (advertisement) pieces I sold for the month. "It's too many," he said. "Are you a salesman, or just a clerk - ringing up whatever the customer comes in wanting?" That really motivated me to go back to college and get my degree. I feel so much better knowing that I make twice what that fool does now.

So yes, I do most of my shopping at Best Buy. For video products, they have Sony. That's all I need. Their audio sucks however (DO NOT ever buy Pioneer or Sony). I usually get my audio stuff through the Harman Outlet store. Harman International sells Harman Kardon, JBL, and Infinity. Their outlet has OOP models, and refurbished stuff. I got my $699 HK receiver for $299. Sure commissioned sales people are more knowledgeable about the products, that helps them persuade you to buy the more expensive item. They need knowledge to sell. It's not to help you be a more informed consumer, it's to pad their paycheck. Nothing more. So the next time you think you're being educated about a product, ask yourself if the salesman is just licking his chops, waiting to go for the kill.
 

katka

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The local News just reported that Circuit City is laying off/cutting jobs. :Q