Rule of law . . . even for the wealthy

BaliBabyDoc

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The previous thread was locked but it's hard to argue . . . that a 'celebrity' getting jail time, sentence cut in half, serving less than 4 days, getting luxury house arrest, and then possibly getting put back into jail isn't worthy of P&N. Sheriff's are elected in most jurisdictions and just like any other politician they should have to face public scrutiny for their actions.

As distasteful as Ms.Hilton's behavior may be, she may give a fantastic civics lesson in how the law may stumble from time to time but NOBODY is truly above it. It's a shame the federal courts up to the USSC have not seen fit to (consistently) discipline top politicians in the same manner.

Judge says not so fast, Princess
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Hours after Paris Hilton was sent home under house arrest Thursday, the judge who put her in jail for violating her reckless-driving probation ordered her into court to determine whether she should be put back behind bars.
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Superior Court Judge Michael T. Sauer issued his order after the city attorney filed a petition late Thursday afternoon questioning whether Sheriff Lee Baca should be held in contempt of court for releasing Hilton on Thursday morning.
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"What transpired here is outrageous," county Supervisor Don Knabe told The Associated Press, adding that he received more than 400 angry e-mails and hundreds more phone calls from around the country.

Hilton's return home gives the impression of "celebrity justice being handed out," he said.
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Sauer himself had expressed his unhappiness with Hilton's release before Delgadillo asked him to return her to court. When he sentenced Hilton to jail last month, he ruled specifically that she could not serve her sentence at home under electronic monitoring.
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But, Parachini said at the time, it is the sheriff and not the judge who decides when inmates are released from jail.

Delgadillo's office indicated that it would argue that the Sheriff's Department violated Sauer's May 4 sentencing order.

locked P&N thread
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Im all for it and if the sheriff gets tossed in the cell as well I'd love it.
 

dmcowen674

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It isn't wise to keep a person in jail with her problem over an extended period of time and let the problem get worse," Baca told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
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Anyone know what this medical condition is that is worsening???
 

ayabe

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Just walked by the TV in the cafeteria and FNC was saying that she was going to be allowed to phone into court rather than make a personal appearance.

This story just gets more and more retarded each passing minute.

It's not a surprise really, I mean Lindsey Lohan is constantly getting sloshed in bars despite being under 21; if that happened even once where I live, the bar would lose it's liquor license in a heartbeat.

And just a few weeks ago she basically comitted 3 felonies, DUI, cocaine possession, leaving the scene of an accident, yet isn't in jail.

It's been 5 years since R. Kelly had his little underaged girl liason on videotape, still no court date for him.

CA really needs to get their act together.

If any of us committed anything approaching these crimes we would have the book thrown at us, that's a fact.

You can watch one episode of Cops and see people being jailed, immediately for these types of crimes.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It isn't wise to keep a person in jail with her problem over an extended period of time and let the problem get worse," Baca told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
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Anyone know what this medical condition is that is worsening???

Supposedly she was really depressed and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.


What a joke.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It isn't wise to keep a person in jail with her problem over an extended period of time and let the problem get worse," Baca told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
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Anyone know what this medical condition is that is worsening???

Supposedly she was really depressed and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.


What a joke.

And the Oscar goes to . . .
 

Lemon law

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I have to have some sympathy for Sheriff Lee Baca. This whole Paris Hilton publicity thing has almost certainly tore a huge hole in his budget and he won't get reimbursed. But will still be responsible for doing all other things required.----and if Paris catches a single cootie, real or imaginary, from his jail, he has to be peeing his pants over the lawsuits it will launch. And its very hard to argue with a doctor. And he is damned if he does and damned if he does not.

I think if I were Sheriff Lee Baca, I would be having a Oscar winning nervous breakdown. And show up to work under the obvious influence of various mood altering chemicals and decked out in full superhero scapegoat regalia.-----and mumbling repeatedly---why did I ever run for this office?
 

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This is funny now that two threads have happened about how offended everyone is for Paris Hilton to be getting out of jail, and nobody but me (as far as I've seen) has noted the part of the original article where it says that the 5 days she served are the average number for a violation of this type.

Be mad at Paris for being stupid dumpy hag, but while she shouldn't get off more easily for her celebrity... she also shouldn't be punished more harshly. It appears that the city is so afraid of appearing to give her preferential treatment that they are going to throw her in jail for way longer then most people would for doing the same thing.

Now the whole "let me out because I don't like the food" thing is crap, but we don't know the whole story behind that either. I admit that hearing about that superior bitch apparently overwhelmed by the rigors of having to spend a few days in jail brings some personal satisfaction to me, but.. meh.
 

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Maybe she wasn't allowed to bring in her daily "designer" drug medication: totally legit with a doctor's prescription.

A couple days without her meds, and the jail staff says, "we gotta get her out of here, she's going to die on us."
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is funny now that two threads have happened about how offended everyone is for Paris Hilton to be getting out of jail, and nobody but me (as far as I've seen) has noted the part of the original article where it says that the 5 days she served are the average number for a violation of this type.

Be mad at Paris for being stupid dumpy hag, but while she shouldn't get off more easily for her celebrity... she also shouldn't be punished more harshly. It appears that the city is so afraid of appearing to give her preferential treatment that they are going to throw her in jail for way longer then most people would for doing the same thing.

Now the whole "let me out because I don't like the food" thing is crap, but we don't know the whole story behind that either. I admit that hearing about that superior bitch apparently overwhelmed by the rigors of having to spend a few days in jail brings some personal satisfaction to me, but.. meh.
I dont know where they (you) got their information, but in my area, people who violate their probation get thrown in jail to serve the full term of the original sentence.

Heck, I had a DUI one time and almost got thrown in jail for a year after DC lost my damn paperwork - DC's system didnt realize the probation had been transferred to VA. They were threatening 364 days in jail for violation of probation until my lawyer showed them the 6-month old transfer documents. I received a random notice on Christmas Eve to appear for the VoP hearing!! (DC's system is a bit slowwwww...lol) It was my first and only offense, ever, and I almost spent a year in jail due to a problem with the paperwork!

so fvck that snotty bitch Paris Hilton.
 

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It isn't wise to keep a person in jail with her problem over an extended period of time and let the problem get worse," Baca told the Los Angeles Times on Thursday.
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Anyone know what this medical condition is that is worsening???

Supposedly she was really depressed and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.


What a joke.
Detox.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is funny now that two threads have happened about how offended everyone is for Paris Hilton to be getting out of jail, and nobody but me (as far as I've seen) has noted the part of the original article where it says that the 5 days she served are the average number for a violation of this type.

Be mad at Paris for being stupid dumpy hag, but while she shouldn't get off more easily for her celebrity... she also shouldn't be punished more harshly. It appears that the city is so afraid of appearing to give her preferential treatment that they are going to throw her in jail for way longer then most people would for doing the same thing.

Now the whole "let me out because I don't like the food" thing is crap, but we don't know the whole story behind that either. I admit that hearing about that superior bitch apparently overwhelmed by the rigors of having to spend a few days in jail brings some personal satisfaction to me, but.. meh.

I would counter that by saying her original offense was she was pulled over for swerving and speeding late at night, FAILED a sobriety test, yet was only charged with reckless driving.

Then she was stopped not once, but TWICE driving on a suspended license.

I would have a hard time believing this series of events is par for the course in LA for your average Joe.

IIRC she has also been videotaped at least once backing into other vehicles and speeding away, again in FL this is a felony.
 

theeedude

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Isn't it cheaper to keep her under house arrest? Seems like a reasonable penalty for someone who didn't hurt anyone.
 

ayabe

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Update on CNN:

"A judge orders Paris Hilton back to jail, CNN confirms. She was taken from court screaming, The Associated Press reports."

ROFLCopter :laugh:
 

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Breaking news on CNN

A judge orders Paris Hilton back to jail, CNN confirms. She was taken from the court screaming.. The Associated Press reports.

EDIT: Ayabe beat me to it :p
 

BaliBabyDoc

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By all means post a link PROVING that the average days served for violating probation TWICE is 5 days. I would also appreciate the link suggesting the average violator gets; 1hr on Sunday = 1 day and 2hrs on Thursday = 1 day.

justice served
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A judge has ordered Paris Hilton returned to jail to serve out her 45-day sentence for a parole violation in a reckless driving case.

She was taken from court screaming.

"It's not right!" shouted the weeping Hilton. "Mom!" she called out to her mother in the audience.
I feel sorry for her now.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Isn't it cheaper to keep her under house arrest? Seems like a reasonable penalty for someone who didn't hurt anyone.

We've had that issue in my state with speeders. But if you wait for a fatality before enforcing your laws, they would have minimal utility as a means of deterrence.
 

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The interest in Paris represents our worst compulsion, when people read about her they dream about money, fashion, wretched excess, the blindingly superficial.

Paris Hilton is, an amalgamation of American culture in precipitous decline. When money is all that matters then Paris is what you get and money is everything that matters in America.

Our country is run and governed by people waiting on paychecks, kickbacks, extravagent lunches and front row seats at professional sports games.

The less fortunate of us, sit back and complain while those hoping to make it rich one day call them haters and communists for speaking out against the atrocities of the wealthy that rule this country.

There may be an element of jealousy for some but that only underscores the political and socioeconomic divide that money does afford one in this country.

Paris had sex on tape. Lots of people do that. Paris gets drunk all the time in public. Lots of people do that. Maybe the reason we hate Paris so much, besides the fact that she doesn't deserve our attention, is because she is a reflection of us collectively and we don't like what we see.

We have a terrible time in this country separating our emotions from the facts. The media is resposible for this Paris obsession because people watch it and because they have to keep our minds off important issues you actually have to think about.

Seriously, she's big business - don't for a second buy into the fact that she's just out having fun. Forbes listed her most recent year's earnings at greater than $10M, which is probably much more than those a rung higher in the family tree make on their Hilton legacy dividends in a year.

Every move is scripted by her and her handlers, her PR guy knows exactly where she'll be every night and smooths the sailing. She needs to remain front and center to continue getting contracts and paid exhorbitant sums to simply show up.

Many of us would probably applaud her aplomb had she invented the slinky, yoyo or Rubik's cube - each socially useless items that engrossed some people's time more than it should and heaped millions upon their creators.

She's got it, and flaunts it, would you rather she does what she does, or have her confined behind a burkha, along with everyone else? Freedom is a great thing, and Paris exploits it in spades.




 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Isn't it cheaper to keep her under house arrest?

Seems like a reasonable penalty for someone who didn't hurt anyone.

While true, it certainly appears she has been trying to flaunt the system so IMO she has brought this upon herself just like her driving on a suspended license.

This Judge is trying his damndest to save what little credibility of the Judicial system as he can against big money.

Unless she dies in Jail he will be viewed as a hero in history.
 

Jaskalas

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This is special treatment. NO ONE, NOT ONE! person in LA is in jail for the charges that were against her. The sheriff should continue to defy the unjust sentence.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is funny now that two threads have happened about how offended everyone is for Paris Hilton to be getting out of jail, and nobody but me (as far as I've seen) has noted the part of the original article where it says that the 5 days she served are the average number for a violation of this type.

5 days if she had not tried to circumvent the system with money plus she perjured herself on the stand (claimed she didn't know her license was suspended and told not to drive), that is why the Judge threw more time at her.
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: senseamp
Isn't it cheaper to keep her under house arrest? Seems like a reasonable penalty for someone who didn't hurt anyone.

We've had that issue in my state with speeders. But if you wait for a fatality before enforcing your laws, they would have minimal utility as a means of deterrence.

House arrest is also an enforcement of the laws.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
This is special treatment. NO ONE, NOT ONE! person in LA is in jail for the charges that were against her. The sheriff should continue to defy the unjust sentence.

This is the best thing that ever happened to her. She has no respect, responsibility, nor accountability. When she finally injures or kills someone it's too late. She'll go back to her life of unimaginable luxury with one difference. She'll know that her actions have consequences, and not just on others.

Yes, this is the very thing she needs.