Rudolph W. Giuliani discussed with the president the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office

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Innocent people don't need pardons.
Not only is Trump wanting to pardon himself and his family, now his batshit insane lawyer wants a pardon too. Why? Because of the frivolous lawsuits and perjury he's suborned in this ridiculous "election fraud" charade AND the Ukraine scam.
This is how you know you're dealing with a criminal organization.
Say what you will about ANY other admin, including the Clintons or Obamas, but NONE of them felt they needed to preemptively pardon themselves and ALL their families and administration workers.
This is, without a doubt, the single most corrupt admin in the history of the US.



Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion.

It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon for Mr. Giuliani, according to the people. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said.

Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump.

Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.”

Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello, said, “He’s not concerned about this investigation, because he didn’t do anything wrong and that’s been our position from Day 1.”

A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump did not respond to an email seeking comment.

Such a broad pardon pre-empting any charge or conviction is highly unusual but does have precedent. George Washington pardoned plotters of the Whiskey Rebellion, shielding them from treason prosecutions. In the most famous example, Gerald R. Ford pardoned Richard M. Nixon for all of his actions as president. Jimmy Carter pardoned thousands of American men who illegally avoided the draft for the Vietnam War.

Mr. Trump has wielded his clemency powers liberally in cases that resonate with him personally or for people who have a direct line to him through friends or family, while thousands of other cases await his review.

Last week he pardoned his former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn broadly for potential legal troubles beyond the charge he had faced of lying to federal investigators. The move raised expectations that Mr. Trump will bestow clemency on other associates in his final weeks in office.
 

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Receiving an pardon is an admission of guilt.
Innocent people CAN'T get pardons.

You'd think something like a conviction...or at least criminal charges would be required for a pardon to be given...but that's NOT the case.
 

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Receiving an pardon is an admission of guilt.
Innocent people CAN'T get pardons.
He thinks it's like a monopoly game, and he wants a
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I get the feeling that from so many conservatives' point of view, Trump issuing pardons to his associates are the way things should be because these pardonables are all "patriots rightly defending their president" against the plots hatched by whomever they need to conveniently set their sights on from one moment to another. It's just how things are done because there's no such a thing as their behavior ever being "inexcusable" seeing as if they'd run out of them two weeks into Trump being nominated. They've had to resort to simply ignoring Trump's and his lackey's malfeasance and blatant lies very early on in his term.

Well, at least some of Trump's sycophants are still carrying his burdens with the arrogance and smug attitudes that they brandished the day he stepped into the White House and declared it was a real dump. So maliciously loyal to the point of being puke-worthy.
 
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I get the feeling that from so many conservatives' point of view, Trump issuing pardons to his associates are the way things should be because these pardonables are all "patriots rightly defending their president" against the plots hatched by whomever they need to conveniently set their sights on from one moment to another. It's just how things are done because there's no such a thing as their behavior ever being "inexcusable" seeing as if they'd run out of them two weeks into Trump being nominated. They've had to resort to simply ignoring Trump's and his lackey's malfeasance and blatant lies very early on in his term.

Well, at least some of Trump's sycophants are still carrying his burdens with the arrogance and smug attitudes that they brandished the day he stepped into the White House and declared it was a real dump. So maliciously loyal to the point of being puke-worthy.
That's why Hannity & Friends are "telling" Trump that he needs to pardon them. It's to prime his loyalists that it's needed to protect them from frivolous charges from the "deep state". Nothing illegal done by them...just a safeguard against the deep state.
 

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That's why Hannity & Friends are "telling" Trump that he needs to pardon them. It's to prime his loyalists that it's needed to protect them from frivolous charges from the "deep state". Nothing illegal done by them...just a safeguard against the deep state.
Gaetz was bobbing his head up and down to "Hannities" on Fox last night. What a bunch of morons.