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RTX3080 GPU pricing at retail(theory and predictions)

cmdrdredd

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Looking at the 3080(3090 is unnecessary for me and above what I’d like to pay) but wondered how everyone feels about the market. Do you feel the market will dictate retail pricing to reach 2080ti levels or do you think it will hover somewhere around the MSRP. I realize 3rd party cards with custom cooling, custom pcb, and overclocked chips will be more expensive by default. I’m just thinking it’s time to upgrade from my 1080ti for newer games like cyberpunk (although we don’t know the expected performance yet anyway) but I’m kind of not willing to buy a $1200 card. I haven’t followed the market since I bought my 1080 but I remember the prices went crazy (due to mining I believe) so I’m curious what you all think will happen in today’s market as things are now.
 

VirtualLarry

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Mining ETH is getting profitable now. I wouldn't be surprised to see miners snapping up Ampere cards left and right when they release. That, or RX 5700 XT cards.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Mining ETH is getting profitable now. I wouldn't be surprised to see miners snapping up Ampere cards left and right when they release. That, or RX 5700 XT cards.
That’s what I was wondering. So I imagine if I’m not lucky enough to get the card I want when it releases(I would wait for a 3rd party card like an asus or EVGA)I will be hit with a “miner’s tax” so to speak. I overpaid for my 1080ti, don’t want to do it again if I can help it. I haven’t followed things in a while so I didn’t know what the GPU market looked like except that it seemed difficult to find a 2080 in stock.
 

Shmee

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Miners will want 5600XT cards foremost, and possibly some of the ampere cards. It remains to be seen how well Ampere will do, once the miners are updated as well. Keep in mind Turing had very meh performance per cost and per watt, even Pascal high end was not so great. Part of this may due to issues with GDDR5X cards used, unless memory timings are optimized. It will be interesting to see how GDDR6X does, if it has any issues in mining.

For comparison, a 5600XT can do over 50MH/s at under 100W. My 5700XT does the same at about 115W. The top Turing card, (2080Ti), gets around the same, but is so much more money to buy, and uses more power. The 1080Ti can do almost 45MH/s when tweaked, but power usage further increases.
 

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Miners will want 5600XT cards foremost, and possibly some of the ampere cards. It remains to be seen how well Ampere will do, once the miners are updated as well. Keep in mind Turing had very meh performance per cost and per watt, even Pascal high end was not so great. Part of this may due to issues with GDDR5X cards used, unless memory timings are optimized. It will be interesting to see how GDDR6X does, if it has any issues in mining.

For comparison, a 5600XT can do over 50MH/s at under 100W. My 5700XT does the same at about 115W. The top Turing card, (2080Ti), gets around the same, but is so much more money to buy, and uses more power. The 1080Ti can do almost 45MH/s when tweaked, but power usage further increases.
How does a GCN card do? Larry's post was a bit strange because during the mining craze years and years ago, it was mainly AMD cards being sold out. At least that's what it seemed like at the time. I'm curious how the RDNA2 cards will do. Only say that because RDNA2 is supposed to shed more of the GCN structure and that may decrease ETH megahash performance.. You may be onto something here!
 

mmaenpaa

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How does a GCN card do? Larry's post was a bit strange because during the mining craze years and years ago, it was mainly AMD cards being sold out. At least that's what it seemed like at the time. I'm curious how the RDNA2 cards will do. Only say that because RDNA2 is supposed to shed more of the GCN structure and that may decrease ETH megahash performance.. You may be onto something here!
RX 580 8GB does about 28MH/s 115W (at the wall) on my test setup (5 cards). Better tuners (and with custom bios) 30-32MH/s is common what I see on the forums.
 

Shmee

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Vega about 40MH/s and Radeon VII does around 90MH/s.
 

VirtualLarry

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For comparison, a 5600XT can do over 50MH/s at under 100W. My 5700XT does the same at about 115W.
That's pretty sweet. I think that my 5 GTX 1660 ti do 28MH/sec (ea) for ETH, @ 95W (80% power limit, +200 Mem).

I should look into snapping up some 5600XT cards, as soon as I get my check this month. At least a couple of them.

Btw, the GTX 1650 4GB cards (especially the D6 variety), aren't so bad either, at KAWPOW. But they're only 4GB cards, and KAWPOW has a 3GB DAG, and I don't know if that grows, so I don't know how long those are going to hold out to be able to mine anything substantial at all.
 

simas

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Looking at the 3080(3090 is unnecessary for me and above what I’d like to pay) but wondered how everyone feels about the market. Do you feel the market will dictate retail pricing to reach 2080ti levels or do you think it will hover somewhere around the MSRP. I realize 3rd party cards with custom cooling, custom pcb, and overclocked chips will be more expensive by default. I’m just thinking it’s time to upgrade from my 1080ti for newer games like cyberpunk (although we don’t know the expected performance yet anyway) but I’m kind of not willing to buy a $1200 card. I haven’t followed the market since I bought my 1080 but I remember the prices went crazy (due to mining I believe) so I’m curious what you all think will happen in today’s market as things are now.
Too much is unknown right now
- AMD response options , RDNA2 performance and also availability
- real life performance of the 3080/3070 cards vs sherry picked things Nvidia shown us so far. What it is in games that do not support ray tracing or in 'real life' ? i.e. for myself with 1080 TI bought forever ago (3 years) what is 3080 as an option is it even a 40% increase or less than that while giving me less RAM at higher power consumption?
- performance/availability of consoles . am I better of getting PS5 for less than 3080 and playing Cyberpunk on it 'good enough' vs worrying about drivers, optimizations, costs, hoarding, etc ?
 
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I should look into snapping up some 5600XT cards, as soon as I get my check this month. At least a couple of them.
Nitro+ was going for around $440 the other day. You could probably get a bunch of used ones or wait until RDNA2 launches and these should get a heavy price cut.
 

Shmee

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That must have been the 5700XT. The 5600XT's are typically under $300. True though, best to wait for now.
 

cmdrdredd

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Too much is unknown right now
- AMD response options , RDNA2 performance and also availability
- real life performance of the 3080/3070 cards vs sherry picked things Nvidia shown us so far. What it is in games that do not support ray tracing or in 'real life' ? i.e. for myself with 1080 TI bought forever ago (3 years) what is 3080 as an option is it even a 40% increase or less than that while giving me less RAM at higher power consumption?
- performance/availability of consoles . am I better of getting PS5 for less than 3080 and playing Cyberpunk on it 'good enough' vs worrying about drivers, optimizations, costs, hoarding, etc ?
I’m also getting a ps5 anyway. I’m looking to upgrade my 1080ti for better 4K performance mostly
 
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simas

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I’m also getting a ps5 anyway. I’m looking to upgrade my 1080ti for better 4K performance mostly
I think a lot of the rest of 2020 would be 'wait and see' attitude - wait and see what Sony/Microsoft actually release and what the availability would be, wait and see the game line up and release quality (vs quality after some patches), wait and see the supply of both Ampere and RDNA2 cards, wait and see the pricing levels they would settle against pent up demand that may exist, wait and see what our economy (ies) do.

I am fortunate that my neighborhood library carries console games for check out so if you have PS4/XB today your gaming costs are free other than having to drive 10 min to pick it up. Compare this vs building new machine , matching parts, setting up, etc - just does not have the same appeal anymore. Would I still be building new PC? yes as a lot of what I love to play is not possible on consoles. when? could be q4 2020 or q1 2021 depending how next gen Ryzen would turn out..
 

Dribble

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Looking at the 3080(3090 is unnecessary for me and above what I’d like to pay) but wondered how everyone feels about the market. Do you feel the market will dictate retail pricing to reach 2080ti levels or do you think it will hover somewhere around the MSRP. I realize 3rd party cards with custom cooling, custom pcb, and overclocked chips will be more expensive by default. I’m just thinking it’s time to upgrade from my 1080ti for newer games like cyberpunk (although we don’t know the expected performance yet anyway) but I’m kind of not willing to buy a $1200 card. I haven’t followed the market since I bought my 1080 but I remember the prices went crazy (due to mining I believe) so I’m curious what you all think will happen in today’s market as things are now.
You can just buy one from Nvidia who will strictly stick to the MSRP. That should keep a cap on prices particularly as the stock card has a good design and cooler so you don't really need to buy aftermarket, and they will keep selling them for the lifetime of the card (which they do to give PC sellers a stable source of cards).
 

sze5003

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I would say the AIB cards will be 50-100 more than MSRP. I would probably get it directly from Nvidia. But I've had my current card so long I don't think I'll go for a 3080 and have to upgrade again next year to the Ti or whatever the more powerful but cheaper price. I think I'll go for a 3090 from Nvidia, hope it fits in my case and not upgrade for another 3 years.
 

cmdrdredd

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You can just buy one from Nvidia who will strictly stick to the MSRP. That should keep a cap on prices particularly as the stock card has a good design and cooler so you don't really need to buy aftermarket, and they will keep selling them for the lifetime of the card (which they do to give PC sellers a stable source of cards).
So it’s not a limited first run release for nvidia branded cards? That might change things a bit, I didn’t know that.
 

MrTeal

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Markups on the 3090 and 3070 from the UK seem pretty reasonable, while some of aftermarket 3080s are nuts. An extra US$265 on a Strix OC over the FE?
 

aigomorla

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I think I'll go for a 3090 from Nvidia, hope it fits in my case and not upgrade for another 3 years.
this is probably my route, but i am worried nvidia will go "haha" (insert homer simpson Nelson meme here) and throw us a 3090ti for like a hundred more with another 500-1000 cuda cores and more ram.

Which would really URK the hell out of me.
 

sze5003

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this is probably my route, but i am worried nvidia will go "haha" (insert homer simpson Nelson meme here) and throw us a 3090ti for like a hundred more with another 500-1000 cuda cores and more ram.

Which would really URK the hell out of me.
I have the same damn exact fear. Knowing my luck with buying new tech, it may probably happen which would piss me off too.
 

Accord99

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this is probably my route, but i am worried nvidia will go "haha" (insert homer simpson Nelson meme here) and throw us a 3090ti for like a hundred more with another 500-1000 cuda cores and more ram.
For RAM, the 3090 has all the memory channels enabled so I don't think there anything to worry about there (and 48 GB of VRAM is going to be overkill for gaming). The only real question is left is what exactly does the GA102 look like with everything active. The core render of the GA102 suggests that it contains 84 SMs and all active would give 10752 cores. So the Titan/Super version of the 3090 might not actually be able to get that much better.
 

MrTeal

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For RAM, the 3090 has all the memory channels enabled so I don't think there anything to worry about there (and 48 GB of VRAM is going to be overkill for gaming). The only real question is left is what exactly does the GA102 look like with everything active. The core render of the GA102 suggests that it contains 84 SMs and all active would give 10752 cores. So the Titan/Super version of the 3090 might not actually be able to get that much better.
It'd be another 256 cores or 2.4% more, so they'd need to do something else. They might launch with full 21Gbps memory, but even that is a few percentage point OC.
A100 trades FP32 compute for FP64 and likely doesn't have video output hardware anyway, so that's not an option. It really seems like the 3090 might be the top card this generation.
 

jpiniero

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I would say that the even the gap between the 3080 and 3090 might not be that much, because of power limits.
 

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I haven't averaged those out, but I'd guess its something like 3090 costing 90%+ more than the 3080. More or less in line with MSRP. Ouch.

The price premiums for moving above the ZOTAC cards really sting.
 

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