Row blows up over ownership of 'space marine' term

takeru

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21380003

UK toymaker Games Workshop has been criticised for asserting a trademark claim to the phrase 'space marines'.

The claim emerged when it was used to get an American ebook about the futuristic soldiers taken off Amazon.

Science fiction writers have called the firm "absurd" for saying it has a trademark to the use of the term in fiction.

A UK media lawyer said more and more firms were using trademark law to protect their creations.
Generic term

The row started in December 2011 when US writer Maggie Hogarth found out that her novel called "Spots the Space Marine" had been removed from the Amazon ebook store following a complaint from Games Workshop.

In emails sent to Ms Hogarth this week, Games Workshop claims that its entry into digital publishing gives it a "common law trademark claim" over the phrase.

Ms Hogarth wrote a blogpost about the row and expressed her fear that if Games Workshop started actively pursuing its claim, science fiction could lose one of its "fundamental" ideas. Ms Hogarth said a lack of funds meant she was unable to defend herself against the claim. However, she is now in touch with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which campaigns on digital rights, about the case.

The blogpost received a huge amount of publicity and has provoked responses from best-selling SF authors Cory Doctorow, Charles Stross and John Scalzi. Many people sent messages to Games Workshop's Twitter account using the #spacemarines hashtag criticising the firm.

Mr Scalzi, who is currently president of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, said it was "absurd" for the firm to claim ownership of the phrase and its use in literature. In a blogpost, Mr Scalzi said it was "pretty damn generic" long before Games Workshop began using it to describe its toy soldiers and in tabletop games,

A spokesman for Games Workshop said it had a "blanket policy" of not talking to the media and had no comment to make about the row or its trademark claim.

Media and intellectual property lawyer Susan Hall from DWF said Games Workshop might struggle to assert its trademark claim in America.

"In the US they'll come straight up against the First Amendment and that's one issue they'll have to overcome," she said.

Ms Hall said Games Workshop could launch a similar protection campaign in Europe as it had had a registered trademark for the term "space marine" since 1995. Its trademark claim covers the use of the word in connection with many aspects of tabletop gaming and video games, she said, but also extended to published works.

"If you have a registered trademark you can stop people using it in the course of trade for goods that are not yours or licensed or approved by you," she said. "It puts the person with the mark in a very strong position."

Many firms, she said, were registering trademarks to help them keep control of intellectual properties that were now out of copyright. There were dangers in this bid for control, said Ms Hall.

"You need strong IP laws," she said, "but you need to have the ability to rub up against those in a way that allows people to be creative and allows creative freedom."
 

surfsatwerk

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Games Workshop have a great product, but they are greedy dildos and should be sodomized with an army of hand painted miniatures.
 

KaOTiK

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Games Workshop have a great product, but they are greedy dildos and should be sodomized with an army of hand painted miniatures.

I agree, they are really greedy douchebags. I love the Warhammer/40k IP's, have a few armies as well, but I wont start a new army because their prices have just become absurd.
 

zinfamous

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Has Games Workshop gone after James Cameron and Universal for use of the term in Aliens?

Oh, lol--it says they have had a registered trademark on the term since 1995. oops! :D
 

Paratus

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Has Games Workshop gone after James Cameron and Universal for use of the term in Aliens?

Oh, lol--it says they have had a registered trademark on the term since 1995. oops! :D

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Although technically they were colonial marines.
 

BladeVenom

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Games Workshop are douche bags. If they hadn't been such hard to get along with assholes, Blizzard would have used their designs instead of creating their own for Warcraft and Starcraft.
 

techs

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I hear Isaac Asimov is so pissed off he's thinking of returning to Earth with an alien army.

Where are the Space Marines when you need them?
 

Jeraden

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I dunno, this is an iffy one. If someone said Space Marines to me - personally I'd immediately think of the warhammer games. So at least for me - it really does have a specific meaning. I could see how naming a book like that could cause confusion with the warhammer universe vs. some lady writing a random book.
 

twinrider1

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We'll need to find a lot of water in space before we need space marines. Cart before the horse, if you ask me.
 

Nintendesert

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We'll need to find a lot of water in space before we need space marines. Cart before the horse, if you ask me.



Space Marine just sounds better than Star Soldiers or Space Soldiers. Besides, Marines go on ships and space has spaceships so that's why they're Marines. Spaceship Marines.
 

pmv

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There's a long history of this though.

My memory is very hazy but I'm sure I recall George Lucas, post-Star-wars, trying to claim a trademark on traditional SF terms like 'hyperspace'.

I also could swear I remember some game, possibly Indiana Jones related, that seriously claimed to have a trademark on the word "Nazi". (I'm sure I didn't imagine that, I seem to recall people expressing consternation).
 

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we should make a kickstarter project and create our own characters. instead of selling the actual game piece we'll give away the templates and people would print them off using their 3d printers. we'll make money through merchandising and video games. our first game will be war anvil: space meat shield
 

BladeVenom

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_marine
Bob Olsen "Captain Brink of the Space Marines" 1932 - Space Marines
Bob Olsen "The Space Marines and the Slavers" 1936 - Space Marines
E. E. Smith Lensman series 1934–1954 - Galactic Marines
Robert A. Heinlein "Misfit" 1939 - Space Marines
Robert A. Heinlein "The Long Watch" 1941 - Space Marines
Robert A. Heinlein Starship Troopers 1959 - Mobile Infantry