Rove received a subpoena to testify at Libby's trial.

[techs]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/LegalCenter/story?id=2828685&page=1

Jan. 27, 2007 ? Presidential advisor Karl Rove and White House communications director Dan Bartlett have received subpoenas to testify for the defense at the trial of former vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, ABC News has learned from a lawyer with knowledge of the case.

The Libby defense indicated in March 2006 court papers that Karl Rove will be a "key witness" in the trial, and will testify concerning a conversation with Libby on July 10 or 11, 2003, regarding columnist Robert Novak's intent to print a story about Valerie Plame's employment at the CIA.

Trial watchers said the subpoenas make it clearer than ever that Libby's defense team will seek to put the Bush administration and its policies on trial.

"This is obviously primarily about the guilt or innocence of the defendant," former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder told ABC News. "But in a larger sense, it's going to be an examination and perhaps even a trial about how this administration has conducted itself on matters of national security and on Iraq, specifically."


It's really too bad they don't allow cameras in Federal courts. However, the transcripts will be fun reading.

 

[conehead433]

Maybe we'll get lucky and Rove will give sworn testimony contradicting his previous sworn testimony before the Grand Jury. Then that liar can be brought up on charges too.

 

[Harvey]

Court Clerk: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Karl Rove: Truth??? ... umm... What's that? I'm not familiar with the concept.

 

[trenchfoot]

putting rove, the consummate liar/spinner/word magician on the stand and expect to get the plain truth out of him will be an excercise in futility. making him swear to tell the truth before testifying is a joke.

i respect his ablilities so much, i believe he could make us invade a country that had practically nothing to do with 9/11. i respect his abilities so much, i believe he could even sell george dubyuh bush to the country and have him elected president...twice.

all his testifying is going to do is to confirm what a masterful liar and spin-meister he really is, as if that needed further confirmation.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Court Clerk: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Karl Rove: Truth??? ... umm... What's that? I'm not familiar with the concept.

Truthiness

Maybe he could get the Swift Boat Liars to take his place on the stand

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: techs
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/LegalCenter/story?id=2828685&page=1

Jan. 27, 2007 ? Presidential advisor Karl Rove and White House communications director Dan Bartlett have received subpoenas to testify for the defense at the trial of former vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, ABC News has learned from a lawyer with knowledge of the case.

The Libby defense indicated in March 2006 court papers that Karl Rove will be a "key witness" in the trial, and will testify concerning a conversation with Libby on July 10 or 11, 2003, regarding columnist Robert Novak's intent to print a story about Valerie Plame's employment at the CIA.

Trial watchers said the subpoenas make it clearer than ever that Libby's defense team will seek to put the Bush administration and its policies on trial.

"This is obviously primarily about the guilt or innocence of the defendant," former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder told ABC News. "But in a larger sense, it's going to be an examination and perhaps even a trial about how this administration has conducted itself on matters of national security and on Iraq, specifically."


It's really too bad they don't allow cameras in Federal courts. However, the transcripts will be fun reading.

But what will Ari NOT say!

 

[Lemon law]

The Prosecution is really scoring some damaging hits on Libby---but Libby may well know where the Rove bodies are buried---this is getting to be more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Who will sell the other one out first. Still waiting for the better Perry Mason moments yet to come. This is just barely getting started.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Maybe we'll get lucky and Rove will give sworn testimony contradicting his previous sworn testimony before the Grand Jury. Then that liar can be brought up on charges too.

I am sure Rove is WAY to smart for that to happen.
More than likely Rove will plead the 5th on anything that could get him latter.

Pleading the 5th could actually help Libby because the jury will be wondering what Rove is hiding. Remember all Libby needs to do is plant reasonable doubt in one persons head.

 

[dahunan]

Anyone remember what happened to Clinton when he tried to play around with the US Court System? Funny.. Republicans now think it is almost a gag to fvck with the courts and their treasonous actions.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Court Clerk: Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Karl Rove: Truth??? ... umm... What's that? I'm not familiar with the concept.

"I can't handle the truth!!!!"

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Anyone remember what happened to Clinton when he tried to play around with the US Court System? Funny.. Republicans now think it is almost a gag to fvck with the courts and their treasonous actions.

Admittedly, I learned nothing about human nature from the Clinton affair. I had jury duty last week. Three of the four 'witnesses' lied during testimony. The sole 'truthful' one was the arresting officer and he scarcely knew anything at all.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: conehead433
Maybe we'll get lucky and Rove will give sworn testimony contradicting his previous sworn testimony before the Grand Jury. Then that liar can be brought up on charges too.

I am sure Rove is WAY to smart for that to happen.
More than likely Rove will plead the 5th on anything that could get him latter.

Pleading the 5th could actually help Libby because the jury will be wondering what Rove is hiding. Remember all Libby needs to do is plant reasonable doubt in one persons head.

What you smokin', Rufus? :roll:

Libby is charged with purjury, lying to the Grand Jury under oath. Fitzpatrick has more than Rove's testimony, truthful or otherwise, to nail Libby. If Rove pleads the Fifth, all it will prove is that he's as much of a liar and criminal as we already know he and the rest of the Bushwhackos are.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time
~ Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln was a pessimist.
~ Karl Rove

 

[CaptnKirk]

This administration and it's secret activities are going to be exposed in court like tearing open a rotting carcus and seeing all the maggots writhing around inside

 

[Lemon law]

To Non Prof John,

Who writes----I am sure Rove is WAY to smart for that to happen.

Well so far its working---but Libby thought he was way too smart also.

It may finally come to pass that if you do the crime---you do the time---no matter how smart Rove thinks he is.

Now Rove is in the ultimate quandary---anticipating which friend will fink him out after his own prior statements leave him little wiggle room.

But taking the fifth is not without its perils also---because if Fitzgerald gives him an immunity from prosecution deal, everything else he did in his rotten little life can become public knowledge.---and then CaptnKirk's maggots do Pandora's box.

Like I say---this gets better and better every second----and still at least five weeks to go.

Fitzgerald was charged with getting to the bottom of this leak---AND HE IS----and any that underestimated him---are going to discover he was the ONE that is WAY TOO SMART.

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt that Rove will be illuminating, at all. If history teaches us anything at all, it's that the testimony of minor personages, those who have nothing to hide and no axe to grind is often the most important...

Remember Alexander Butterfield? Few do, even if the name rings a bell somewhere back in their consciousness-

http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/watergate/tapes.html

With any luck at all, somebody like him will blow the lid right off of the whole stinking mess...

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I doubt that Rove will be illuminating, at all. If history teaches us anything at all, it's that the testimony of minor personages, those who have nothing to hide and no axe to grind is often the most important...

Remember Alexander Butterfield? Few do, even if the name rings a bell somewhere back in their consciousness-

http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/watergate/tapes.html

With any luck at all, somebody like him will blow the lid right off of the whole stinking mess...

There is no mess to blow the lid off of though.
As Wikipedia says:

Neither Libby nor any other Bush Administration officials have to date been charged with the crime of revealing the identity of a CIA agent, the original focus of the investigation. Rather, all charges to date are for allegedly lying to investigators and to the grand jury and for obstruction of justice -- all of which are felony charges. Supporters have pointed to the lack of indictments on the underlying matter as vindication that no laws relating to the "outing" of a CIA agent were broken. Detractors point out that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald made clear in a press conference that he believes that the actions of Libby in lying to federal investigators and the grand jury have hindered his investigation into the matter, using the analogy of someone having kicked sand in the umpire's eyes -- making it difficult to see what happened.

What exactly are you guys still wishing for? That Rove indictment we were promised by Truthout.org?

 

[Lemon law]

To non Prof John,

Who writes---There is no mess to blow the lid off of though.

Who are you trying to convince?---just don't become too self deluded like your prior 11/06 election predictions!---even if you can find a wiki entry written by someone else equally self deluded.

I have some doubts that this trial will lead to the impeachment of GWB---but I think you underestimate the damage to GWB&co.

Time will tell---but it is some comfort to see you are not so self delusional as to think it will cast GWB&co in a favorable light.

After all---there is something totally morally bankrupt to have an entire administration that can't instantly see that outing a CIA agent for an act of political revenge is something that only the incredibly stupid would ever even consider as an option for even one mad moment---independent of any question of getting away with it given existing laws.

 

[ProfJohn]

To Non Lemon Law

They already know who outed Plame. If a crime had been committed in the 'outing' of Plame for political reasons someone would be charged for that crime.
Therefore, the outing of Plame was not an illegal act.
It may have been a stupid and even unethical thing to do, but it was not an illegal thing to do.

At the end of the day I bet this has virtually no effect on Bush and Co. No one is paying attention for one thing.
And a certain part of the country already hates Bush. Is this going to make them hate Bush more?
Also it is still questionable as to whether the outing of Plame was for political reasons or not. Many of the stories involving Plame state that her name and position came up in casual conversation. Not in a ?did you know? type way that would have suggested an ulterior motive to bringing her up. This trail may touch on that though.

On a side note. It is interesting to watch the liberals respond to this crisis. You realize that after six years in office this is the only major scandal the Bush administration has faced. (The mess in Iraq and the missing WMDs are not true political scandals.)

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: conehead433
Maybe we'll get lucky and Rove will give sworn testimony contradicting his previous sworn testimony before the Grand Jury. Then that liar can be brought up on charges too.

I am sure Rove is WAY to smart for that to happen.
More than likely Rove will plead the 5th on anything that could get him latter.

Pleading the 5th could actually help Libby because the jury will be wondering what Rove is hiding. Remember all Libby needs to do is plant reasonable doubt in one persons head.

What you smokin', Rufus? :roll:

Libby is charged with purjury, lying to the Grand Jury under oath. Fitzpatrick has more than Rove's testimony, truthful or otherwise, to nail Libby. If Rove pleads the Fifth, all it will prove is that he's as much of a liar and criminal as we already know he and the rest of the Bushwhackos are.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time
~ Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln was a pessimist.
~ Karl Rove

Pleading the 5th is against the law now? Suppose you do have some additions to add to the patriot act in your war to destroy republicans.

These days it appears that being subpoenaed is an attempt to throw someone in jail. All they have to do is forget a single word they mentioned in previous years, or make a single mistaken comment and the feds are more than gun-happy to throw people away.

There have been several cases of this in recent years that just sicken me.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Pleading the 5th is against the law now? Suppose you do have some additions to add to the patriot act in your war to destroy republicans.

These days it appears that being subpoenaed is an attempt to throw someone in jail. All they have to do is forget a single word they mentioned in previous years, or make a single mistaken comment and the feds are more than gun-happy to throw people away.

There have been several cases of this in recent years that just sicken me.

:laugh: at the irony in that statement.

 

[Lemon law]

To non Prof John,

Who writes---On a side note. It is interesting to watch the liberals respond to this crisis. You realize that after six years in office this is the only major scandal the Bush administration has faced. (The mess in Iraq and the missing WMDs are not true political scandals.)

What are you smoking?--------it must be a fine delusional narcotic----for a reality check---check current administration popularity polls---28% and falling---the only way to reverse the trend is to have some success-------are you still so self delusional to think that the commander and thief can find that success with failed policies? Or that this entire trial of Scooter Fibby will not result in just another big hit on GWB&co credibility.---at just the time when you have to look under the bellies of snakes to find anyone less creditable than GWB.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting attempt at obfuscation, ProfJohn-

They already know who outed Plame. If a crime had been committed in the 'outing' of Plame for political reasons someone would be charged for that crime. Therefore, the outing of Plame was not an illegal act. It may have been a stupid and even unethical thing to do, but it was not an illegal thing to do.

So, if somebody offered to sell top secret information to another government, not knowing that government already had such information, it wouldn't be a crime, either, right?

Wrong. The act of doing so is a crime in and of itself, regardless of anything outside the perp's knowledge. Conspiring to do so is also a crime, as is conspiracy to cover up, not to mention the actual perjury required to do so. The Plame affair follows the same scenario.

Just because they've successfully obfuscated the evidence doesn't mean that no crime occurred. Rove testified 5 times before the grand jury, and had to come up with previously undisclosed emails to avoid prosecution... People who have nothing to hide aren't forced to testify 5 times, and people who do so while escaping prosecution are, indeed, very skillful liars.

And the whole bit about this being the only scandal the Bushies have needed to weather-completely lame. Illegal wiretapping, illegal detentions, waging war on false premises, illegal deportation to foreign torture chambers, and looting the treasury are obviously scandalous behavior, along with some others, as well... Katrina, packing the federal bench with fundie-whacks and rightwing hatchet men, to name a couple that require no further explanation... and there's the whole Jeff Gannon/ James Guckert/ Talon News Service bit that Bush afficianados really, really want to forget entirely...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Just because they've successfully obfuscated the evidence doesn't mean that no crime occurred. Rove testified 5 times before the grand jury, and had to come up with previously undisclosed emails to avoid prosecution... People who have nothing to hide aren't forced to testify 5 times, and people who do so while escaping prosecution are, indeed, very skillful liars.

Guilty until proven innocent. Guilty, if a prosecutor forces you to testify at their discretion more than a couple times. You hold a fascinating basis for our legal system. Having it your way the Judge, Jury, and Executioner are all rolled into one.

And the whole bit about this being the only scandal the Bushies have needed to weather-completely lame. Illegal wiretapping, illegal detentions, waging war on false premises, illegal deportation to foreign torture chambers, and looting the treasury are obviously scandalous behavior, along with some others, as well... Katrina, packing the federal bench with fundie-whacks and rightwing hatchet men, to name a couple that require no further explanation... and there's the whole Jeff Gannon/ James Guckert/ Talon News Service bit that Bush afficianados really, really want to forget entirely...

At least you give an entire paragraph of ulterior motives for demanding a person is guilty before proven innocent. I?d hate to think your vicious assault on our constitution was based on the actual crime in question ? no, you give us a fine plethora of reasons to throw a man in jail regardless of the unproved crime in question.

You hate so they must rot in jail. It?s a fine reason, if you were Stalin.

 

[Jhhnn]

Perhaps I've worded my incredulity at Rove's testimony a bit too strongly. Let me rephrase-

People who have nothing to hide aren't forced to testify 5 times, and people who do so while escaping prosecution are likely very skillful liars.

Better? In any case, I'll bet ol' turd blossom was sweating bullets the third, fourth, and fifth time around...

As for the rest of it, Libby is likely going down, and with any luck, he'll drag the rest down with him...

I offered up the other stuff in reply to ProfJohn's obvious propagandizing about this admin and scandals- it's not reason to convict any of them wrt the Plame affair, at all, but definitely reason to suspect their motives in all things. They've proven themselves to be pathological liars and manipulators time and time again- why tell the truth now, if they're even capable of doing so?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

hehe. This is NOT looking good for Cheney and Co.