Routine circumcision...

[Atreus21]

This almost got me in trouble at my office I was laughing so hard.

What part of "circumcision" was unclear? That's basically what a Kentucky man and his wife are asking of two doctors who cut off the man's penis while he was under the knife. The doctors say they discovered cancer and made an emergency decision. The man says, dude, wtf, you cut off my penis. It doesn't grow back, and it was kind of important to me.

The lawsuit states that Patterson received consent to perform a circumcision and only a circumcision, and that Seaton did not consent to his penis being removed.

Kevin George, the plaintiff's attorney, said [Dr.] Patterson amputated the organ after finding cancer, but he only had consent to remove the foreskin.

"Sometimes you have an emergency and you have to do this, but he could very easily closed him up and said, 'Here are your options. You have cancer,' and the family would have said, 'We want a second opinion. This is a big deal,'" George said.

We've just made a new note to self: if we ever have surgery, we intend to grab the doctor by the collar and say vigorously to him, "No matter what happens, don't you cut off my penis." Who knew you had to worry about that sort of thing.

http://consumerist.com/5054482...s-for-amputating-penis


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[nakedfrog]

Shouldn't there be a line in there about how the dude broke the doctor's nose?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
This almost got me in trouble at my office I was laughing so hard.

You sound like you have problems.

What part of "circumcision" was unclear? That's basically what a Kentucky man and his wife are asking of two doctors who cut off the man's penis while he was under the knife. The doctors say they discovered cancer and made an emergency decision. The man says, dude, wtf, you cut off my penis. It doesn't grow back, and it was kind of important to me.

The lawsuit states that Patterson received consent to perform a circumcision and only a circumcision, and that Seaton did not consent to his penis being removed.

Kevin George, the plaintiff's attorney, said [Dr.] Patterson amputated the organ after finding cancer, but he only had consent to remove the foreskin.

"Sometimes you have an emergency and you have to do this, but he could very easily closed him up and said, 'Here are your options. You have cancer,' and the family would have said, 'We want a second opinion. This is a big deal,'" George said.

We've just made a new note to self: if we ever have surgery, we intend to grab the doctor by the collar and say vigorously to him, "No matter what happens, don't you cut off my penis." Who knew you had to worry about that sort of thing.

http://consumerist.com/5054482...s-for-amputating-penis

[/quote]

In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

The patient (or, in the case where the patient is incapacitated, his family) always has the final say on what procedures are or are not performed. This is a fundamental right of the patient. Even if the guy was unconscious, they should have asked his wife.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

Well, damn man, don't you think he should have at least had a chance to say goodbye?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

The patient (or, in the case where the patient is incapacitated, his family) always has the final say on what procedures are or are not performed. This is a fundamental right of the patient. Even if the guy was unconscious, they should have asked his wife.

"Emergency" surgery. Was the wife available at the time?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

The patient (or, in the case where the patient is incapacitated, his family) always has the final say on what procedures are or are not performed. This is a fundamental right of the patient. Even if the guy was unconscious, they should have asked his wife.

"Emergency" surgery. Was the wife available at the time?

Emergency cancer surgery? How freaking fast was this cancer eating his wang dude?

They couldn't have waited a few hours for the poor guy to wake up?

I wish there was more information.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well I can tell you one thing. I know who my organ donor would be.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Craig234
In another story, a man who now has inoperable cancer sued for doctors knowing it and not taking the action they were able to.

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue. Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

The patient (or, in the case where the patient is incapacitated, his family) always has the final say on what procedures are or are not performed. This is a fundamental right of the patient. Even if the guy was unconscious, they should have asked his wife.

"Emergency" surgery. Was the wife available at the time?

The law is very clear on this, the docs superceded their authority. There's no such thing as emergency cancer.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: jonks
The law is very clear on this, the docs superceded their authority. There's no such thing as emergency cancer.

well i could see something like, he was bleeding out all over the table, there wasn't time to get the wife, etc. that is, the cancer itself wasn't an emergency, but because the doctors cut into the (previously unknown) tumor it became an emergency.

but we simply don't know.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: jonks
The law is very clear on this, the docs superceded their authority. There's no such thing as emergency cancer.

well i could see something like, he was bleeding out all over the table, there wasn't time to get the wife, etc. that is, the cancer itself wasn't an emergency, but because the doctors cut into the (previously unknown) tumor it became an emergency.

but we simply don't know.

well that'd be different now

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: jonks
The law is very clear on this, the docs superceded their authority. There's no such thing as emergency cancer.

well i could see something like, he was bleeding out all over the table, there wasn't time to get the wife, etc. that is, the cancer itself wasn't an emergency, but because the doctors cut into the (previously unknown) tumor it became an emergency.

but we simply don't know.

well that'd be different now

Sounds to me like the situation should be reviewed and if the decision was reasonable the man should say thanks, not sue

 

[Harvey]

The doctors say they discovered cancer and made an emergency decision.

We have no information about how immediate the cancer threat was. Do you think the guy would feel better if he had died? The docs he's suing would sure be better off if they had.

No good deed goes unpunished. :roll:

 

[JS80]

I have a few questions:

1) there is cancer in the penis?
2) how would circumcision surgery find cancer in the penis?
3) was the cancer holding a gun to his head so the docs had to cut it out on the spot?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JS80
I have a few questions:

1) there is cancer in the penis?

That's what the article says. Any discussion, here, has to be based on that assumption.

2) how would circumcision surgery find cancer in the penis?

We're not surgeons, and we weren't in the operating room. Cancerous flesh can have a different tell tale appearance. If it appeared suspicious, an immediate biopsy would have been appropriate. If it was advanced enough it may have been obvious to a skilled surgeon

3) was the cancer holding a gun to his head so the docs had to cut it out on the spot?

That was no gun. It was his penis. (Sorry... couldn't resist.) :laugh:

I have to assume you meant to ask was the threat so immediate that he would have no chance to live without removing it. Unless you tell us otherwise, I'd guess you're no more a surgeon than I am.

Good surgeons get paid big bucks to make such life or death calls. All the rest of us can do is hope they're right when they're working on us.

 

[CanOWorms]

The doctors should be sent to jail for this one if there was no immediate emergency.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JS80
I have a few questions:

1) there is cancer in the penis?

That's what the article says. Any discussion, here, has to be based on that assumption.

2) how would circumcision surgery find cancer in the penis?

We're not surgeons, and we weren't in the operating room. Cancerous flesh can have a different tell tale appearance. If it appeared suspicious, an immediate biopsy would have been appropriate. If it was advanced enough it may have been obvious to a skilled surgeon

3) was the cancer holding a gun to his head so the docs had to cut it out on the spot?

That was no gun. It was his penis. (Sorry... couldn't resist.) :laugh:

I have to assume you meant to ask was the threat so immediate that he would have no chance to live without removing it. Unless you tell us otherwise, I'd guess you're no more a surgeon than I am.

Good surgeons get paid big bucks to make such life or death calls. All the rest of us can do is hope they're right when they're working on us.

I probably would side with the doctors.

But I am still fascinated in this penis cancer. Why haven't I ever heard of it? Why would Terrance and Phillip only talk about cancer in the ass but never cancer in the penis?

How would a circumcision doctor know what penis cancer looks like and how to remove it?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JS80

I probably would side with the doctors.

Good thinking. :thumbsup:

But I am still fascinated in this penis cancer. Why haven't I ever heard of it?

Maybe it's because you've been lucky enough that your doctor never had to educate you about it. Want to learn something?

Penis Cancer

Statistics, Causes and Symptoms Penis Cancer

The American Cancer Society estimates that about 1,530 new cases of penile cancer are diagnosed each year and about 280 men will die of penile cancer in 2006. Penile cancer occurs in about 1 man in 100,000 in the United States.

Although penis cancer is very rare in North America and Europe but much more common in some parts of Africa and South America, where it accounts for up to 10% of cancers in men.

Definition of penis cancer
Cancer of the penis (penile cancer) is a malignant growth of cells in the tissue and/or external area of the penis. Penis cancer is a very rare disease that is generally an aggressive form of cancer that has a tendency to spread.

Prognosis following diagnosis of penis cancer
If penile cancer has been diagnosed and treated early then the 5 year survival rate is 65%, so it is important to seek medical attention quickly. Elderly men are the most likely to suffer from this form of cancer.

Causes of penis cancer
The cause of penis cancer unknown but there is a higher incidence of penile cancer in uncircumcised men and men who do not keep the area under the foreskin clean. The presence of smegma, the cheese-like secretion under the foreskin, appears to increase the risk.

Signs symptoms of penis cancer
The most common symptom is a tender spot, wart like lump or open sore, usually painless, that originates on the tip of the penis. Pain and bleeding usually only occurs if the cancer is advanced. Penile cancer that is not treated can spread into the lymph nodes of the groin and on to other parts of the body. Malignant cells, cancer in the lymph nodes are abnormal, often painless, swellings.

Diagnosis of penis cancer
Diagnosis of penis cancer is made by the surgical removal and biopsy of the lump. This excludes other diseases such as penile warts or syphilis.

Stages of penis cancer
There are 4 stages of cancer of the penis

• Stage 1 penis cancer. Malignant cells are found only on the surface of the penis
  
• Stage 2 penis cancer. Malignant cells are found on the surface, tissues beneath the surface and in the shaft of the penis.
  
• Stage 3 penis cancer. Malignant cells have spread to the lymph nodes in the groin.
  
• Stage 4 penis cancer. Malignant cells have spread through the penis, lymph nodes in the groin and to other parts of the body.

If the patient was in stage 2, it may have been apparent to the surgeons. If it was beyond that, and it had spread to his lymph nodes, he's got a lot more to worry about than whether he gets laid again or has to sit to piss.

 

[JS80]

Is there a penis self exam similar to the Breast Self-Examination to detect boob cancer?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JS80

Is there a penis self exam similar to the Breast Self-Examination to detect boob cancer?

Wrong forum. Check OT for a link to the youtube instructional video. :laugh:

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Craig234Why was a man getting a circumcision, anyway?

To prevent cancer of the penis.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JS80

I probably would side with the doctors.

Good thinking. :thumbsup:

But I am still fascinated in this penis cancer. Why haven't I ever heard of it?

Maybe it's because you've been lucky enough that your doctor never had to educate you about it. Want to learn something?

Penis Cancer

*snip*

AHhhhhhhhhhhhh Why did I read that??? My penis got really scurred

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: JS80
I have a few questions:

1) there is cancer in the penis?
2) how would circumcision surgery find cancer in the penis?
3) was the cancer holding a gun to his head so the docs had to cut it out on the spot?

Cancer is an overgrowth of useless cells. You can get cancer anywhere.

Penile and testicular cancer is fairly rare, but certainly not unheard of. Penile cancer would usually be caused by the Human Papillomavirus.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

An archaic, religiously motivated body mutilation leads to a cancer diagnosis. Whodathunkit.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
An archaic, religiously motivated body mutilation leads to a cancer diagnosis. Whodathunkit.

Please explain why circumcision is archaic (not in origin) and mutilation. And yes, "I'm serious"!