Roughly, how much faster will Sandy Bridge be over i7?

[Tanclearas]

six

 

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Exactly what I am referring to . o/Cer might get = perfomance in some apps . But not ALL. that is the seperator. Its about time

You're really complaining that overclocking isn't fair??? lol

 

[Nemesis 1]

You're really complaining that overclocking isn't fair??? lol

Never said anything related to such a thing . Everthing we have is fully overclocked to its highest stable O/C .

But no matter What we do, to say an Intel 970 which is intels old high end . No matter what we do . including O/C . We can't beat a intel 6x 980. Thats what I said . You will NOT beable to beat intels highend with intels mid lowend parts. Thats fair and it actually gives the buyer relief that a mid range part will not overcome their high high end parts which to me and billions of others is fair . Only those with broken minds would think other.

Their is one hell of a good review out there in the wild that actually shows threw the numbers that the best buy is a i5 661. But is that what they talk about. NO. They ignor their own benchmarks. Which I find amusing 661 gives anything AMD has a run for their money in majority of benchies . Now o.c that 661 to stable 4.6 ghz or higher stable and cleary intels 2 core matches up well with anything AMD has. Its a good thing consumers are smarter than forum members or intel wouldn't sell any 2xcores. Sandy bridge just improves intels position alot .I told you boys over a year ago this is what intel was going to do . So it was written so it was done. Cry all you want there is nothing that can stop this. Just buy a AMD and don't worry about Intel they don't really want you or need you. . But for me to go back to my start with PCs is never going to happen. I bought an xpensive Dell the First time . Got robbed. Built my own there after.

Dell has nothing for my PCs. But if you build your own AMD system Dell is who your competing with . Because dells will beat your AMD systems . FACT!

 

[yh125d]

Their is one hell of a good review out there in the wild that actually shows threw the numbers that the best buy is a i5 661. But is that what they talk about. NO. They ignor their own benchmarks. Which I find amusing 661 gives anything AMD has a run for their money in majority of benchies . Now o.c that 661 to stable 4.6 ghz or higher stable and cleary intels 2 core matches up well with anything AMD has. Its a good thing consumers are smarter than forum members or intel wouldn't sell any 2xcores. Sandy bridge just improves intels position alot .I told you boys over a year ago this is what intel was going to do . So it was written so it was done. Cry all you want there is nothing that can stop this. Just buy a AMD and don't worry about Intel they don't really want you or need you. . But for me to go back to my start with PCs is never going to happen. I bought an xpensive Dell the First time . Got robbed. Built my own there after.

Westmere is pretty fragile and picky with voltages from what I hear, 4.6+ is probably optimistic

 

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Which I find amusing 661 gives anything AMD has a run for their money in majority of benchies . Now o.c that 661 to stable 4.6 ghz or higher stable and cleary intels 2 core matches up well with anything AMD has.
Dell has nothing for my PCs. But if you build your own AMD system Dell is who your competing with . Because dells will beat your AMD systems . FACT!

Hmmm. I think that 4.6ghz is being a bit optimistic lol. The 32nm chips oc well but they are also pretty fragile...4.2 is probably a more realistic number for most people. An OC'd Intel dual core i3 or w/e may compare fine with AMD in some things, may win in some, may lose in others. Meh. The AMD 6 cores seem to hit 4ghz easily. They do worse than say, an OC'd 750 or 920 in single threaded apps but do as good and sometimes better in apps that can use all 6 cores...shrug. They are definately competitive at their price range, especially when you take into account the platform cost--and the enthusiast market is reflecting that, tons of people are buying them. I find it laughable that you think that an average Dell box would beat an oc'd 6 core amd box...That sounds like a Rollo comment, only for Intel...For what it's worth, i have a 4.1ghz i5 750, I love Intel, and I live in Oregon and have a few friends that work there *shrug*. But to say AMD isn't competitive in the price brackets they target is nonsense imho.

 

[radaja]

Westmere is pretty fragile and picky with voltages from what I hear, 4.6+ is probably optimistic

4.6Ghz is not optimistic.it is easy as pie.all three of my i3-530's did well over 4.6Ghz.
in fact they did 4.7Ghz with HT on and higher.but you are right about them being fragile.
a lot of them have been killed by vcore above 1.55v.
one thing about the 32nm dual cores is they are about the easiest cpu's ive ever OCed.
and ive tried a lot of them,E3110,E8400,E8500,Q9650,i5-750,i7-870,i7-920,i3-530,i3-540
athlon x2 5000,Phenom 9550,Phenom II x2 550.so even the average OCer can expect
great results with them

19x250@4750 ddr2000 10-11-10-24 1t Qpi@5000
SuperPi 32m and Everest Cache & Memory Benchmark

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1070506
19x253@4807 DDR3-2024 10-11-10-24 1t QPI@5060
SuperPi 1m and cachemem

 

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Nice overclocks!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Westmere is pretty fragile and picky with voltages from what I hear, 4.6+ is probably optimistic

On the icore 2 cores 32nm. You don't need alot of V. Its the available multiplier thats causes issues because of Memory controller being on the gpu and the extra latency . Anything over 1600 memory speed hurts rather than helps . i5 670 have NO PROBLEM reaching a stable 4.8 ghz at 1600 memory. There suppose to release an xtreme addition . I will buy that . But its really a waste. As sandy bridge 2 core spanks it hard . Right now the top speed Bob has gotten from sandy 2core is 4.6 but thats on early silly.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Hmmm. I think that 4.6ghz is being a bit optimistic lol. The 32nm chips oc well but they are also pretty fragile...4.2 is probably a more realistic number for most people. An OC'd Intel dual core i3 or w/e may compare fine with AMD in some things, may win in some, may lose in others. Meh. The AMD 6 cores seem to hit 4ghz easily. They do worse than say, an OC'd 750 or 920 in single threaded apps but do as good and sometimes better in apps that can use all 6 cores...shrug. They are definately competitive at their price range, especially when you take into account the platform cost--and the enthusiast market is reflecting that, tons of people are buying them. I find it laughable that you think that an average Dell box would beat an oc'd 6 core amd box...That sounds like a Rollo comment, only for Intel...For what it's worth, i have a 4.1ghz i5 750, I love Intel, and I live in Oregon and have a few friends that work there *shrug*. But to say AMD isn't competitive in the price brackets they target is nonsense imho.

Believe what you want . But a 920 spanks a 6 core amd if both are O/C to max stable O/C. Show me 3 results were the AMDx6 beats a 920 if both are going to be O/C to max. Hell show me 2 apps. Nets a big place the results are out there.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

4ghz 920 vs 4ghz x6?

 

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Believe what you want . But a 920 spanks a 6 core amd if both are O/C to max stable O/C. Show me 3 results were the AMDx6 beats a 920 if both are going to be O/C to max. Hell show me 2 apps. Nets a big place the results are out there.

Was that a rheotorical question? I know you aren't supposed to answer rheotorical questions! Oh ho ho... enjoy. The phenom x6 is at 4.1ghz by the way.

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177637/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/handbrake2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177638/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/povray2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177639/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/winrar2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177640/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/cine2.png

It loses in Vantage:

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177641/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/pcmv2.png

Loses in some games later, etc, etc.

So basically, it performs pretty much how someone would expect. In apps that take advantage of the 6 cores it does great. In single threaded apps, or apps that can't really use all 6 cores, the Intel platform wins thanks to it's higher performance per core!

I'm sure these benchmarks are somehow invalid though, because AMD actually wins some. Lol.

Edit: one more...but this one looks a little "too good to be true." Good site though, so who knows:

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo85/chipshot64/amd1090tdirtcrysisoverclock3dbench1.jpg

 

[Nemesis 1]

4ghz 920 vs 4ghz x6?

No I said both highest stable O/C First ya want to do x6 against x4 now you want = O/Cs . NO. We have yet to find any amds that are stable at 4ghz let alone 24/7 .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Was that a rheotorical question? I know you aren't supposed to answer rheotorical questions! Oh ho ho... enjoy. The phenom x6 is at 4.1ghz by the way.

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177637/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/handbrake2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177638/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/povray2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177639/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/winrar2.png

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177640/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/cine2.png

It loses in Vantage:

http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/177641/article/amd_phenom_x6_1090t/pcmv2.png

Loses in some games later, etc, etc.

So basically, it performs pretty much how someone would expect. In apps that take advantage of the 6 cores it does great. In single threaded apps, or apps that can't really use all 6 cores, the Intel platform wins thanks to it's higher performance per core!

I'm sure these benchmarks are somehow invalid though, because AMD actually wins some. Lol.

Edit: one more...but this one looks a little "too good to be true." Good site though, so who knows:

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo85/chipshot64/amd1090tdirtcrysisoverclock3dbench1.jpg

That 920isn't O/C I said both at highest STABLE o/c

 

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Ah, so 4ghz on the 920 isn't enough. I get it. Lol. Anyway, good times. I don't think this thread serves any furthor purpose^_^

 

[VirtualLarry]

We have yet to find any amds that are stable at 4ghz let alone 24/7 .

Lies, all lies. Look no further than recent threads in this forum. I think I counted at least three 4Ghz+ 24/7 stable overclocks on X6s.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Lies, all lies. Look no further than recent threads in this forum. I think I counted at least three 4Ghz+ 24/7 stable overclocks on X6s.

Prove those are stable O/Cs and 24/7 capable.

 

[Idontcare]

Lies, all lies. Look no further than recent threads in this forum. I think I counted at least three 4Ghz+ 24/7 stable overclocks on X6s.

Larry when he says "we" he means himself and the folks associated with his computer biz operation in real life...they have yet to take delivery of any AMD x6's that are 24/7 stable at 4GHz with their procedures of defining stability. He doesn't mean "no one on the planet has such a chip" although it is easy to interpret his posts as attempting to claim as much.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Prove those are stable O/Cs and 24/7 capable.

Is folding@home a good stability test? Some people claim that there are overclocks that pass OCCT/LinX/Prime95, and still fail F@H. Markfw900 has his at 4.1Ghz running F@H. I guess we can ask him in a week if it's been perfectly stable.