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Rough cut of a short video I'm working on

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

 
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

Yep,
I've finished around 9 so far, I just don't post those online...
 
Terrible dialog interspersed with cliché melodramatic acting and poor camera work.

I honestly can't believe you keep trying.

And that kiss at the end.... if the rest of the movie didn't suck, that whole scene with the two women at the end sealed the deal. Absolutely terrible, overly dramatic, painfully forced filmstudent garbage.
 
Man, that needs a *lot* of work.

- I don't know if you were going for the guerrila-camera kind of filming that was popularized by the Blair Witch Crapject, but I don't think the subject material is suitable for a jerky, handheld kind of camera. You should be going with slow, dark, brooding.
- Use cuts in between shots instead of swiveling one camera back and forth during dialog at the table. It looks too amateur.
- Your actors are moving around and speaking too quickly. Ever see Tom Cruise in his serious roles? He's a better actor than most give him credit for, and he understands perfectly how to make the audience wait for words to come out of his mouth.
- The scene where the guy is stroking the chick's face against a wall outside couldn't look any faker if you tried. First he barely touches her - get some real hand to cheek contact in there. Second she gives this totally fake smile while he's doing it.
- Is the overall line of dialogue supposed to make no sense, or are you trying to be "artsy"?
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

Yep,
I've finished around 9 so far, I just don't post those online...

Do these include the pie-throwing contest "films"?

This latest one seems to just be an amalgamation of the last 5 terrible clips you've posted.
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

Yep,
I've finished around 9 so far, I just don't post those online...
BS. A long-ass time ago you posted this "hot lesbian scene" you were working on. A little while ago you posted asking for advice on special effects involving shooting someone with a gun.

Both of those scenes made it in this craptacular video you just posted.

Either these 9 other projects never existed or they suck harder than this one. Either way you have no talent.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Man, that needs a *lot* of work.

- I don't know if you were going for the guerrila-camera kind of filming that was popularized by the Blair Witch Crapject, but I don't think the subject material is suitable for a jerky, handheld kind of camera. You should be going with slow, dark, brooding.
- Use cuts in between shots instead of swiveling one camera back and forth during dialog at the table. It looks too amateur.
- Your actors are moving around and speaking too quickly. Ever see Tom Cruise in his serious roles? He's a better actor than most give him credit for, and he understands perfectly how to make the audience wait for words to come out of his mouth.
- The scene where the guy is stroking the chick's face against a wall outside couldn't look any faker if you tried. First he barely touches her - get some real hand to cheek contact in there. Second she gives this totally fake smile while he's doing it.
- Is the overall line of dialogue supposed to make no sense, or are you trying to be "artsy"?
I wonder what kind of camera he's using. I bet it's a Gl2 or something similar because the Canon's auto-focusing problem is apparent in some of the scenes. If you're going to use a nice camera, atleast make the video something someone couldn't copy with a $200 Hi8 camcorder.
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

Yep,
I've finished around 9 so far, I just don't post those online...

Why not?
 
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
The sound needs to be mixed, color correction needs to be done, the titles are temp titles, and a score is still being written
I know I ask this every time, but have you finished anything yet?

Yep,
I've finished around 9 so far, I just don't post those online...

Why not?

Now there's a question that answers itself...
 
wow I thought everyone was just being mean but that SUCKED! bad bad acting. and I hate when handheld cams lag behind who's really speaking. why would they shoot the guy in the middle of the day? that part should be at night.

the red head was kinda cute tho.
 
The first shot with the hand stroking the glass was terrific.... but that's where the excitement fell off for me. Filmmaking is not nearly as easy as everyone makes it out to be, and I'm sure you have taken a lot of crap on these forums simply because people want to verbally abuse you. I thought I would attempt to add some more specific constructive criticisms and issues to think about.

Pacing: Both editing and storyline progression. The physical editing doesn't allow the viewer to be drawn into any kind of narrative flow, in a lot of ways you actually break down any rhythm of the on screen action. Part of this is simply the design - you're attempting to show a number of layers simultaneously, but in this case it really doesn't work well. As for the editing technique - simple because you use soft dissolves and fade cuts doesn't mean the transition is smooth. You should try to think about colors, shapes and positioning from an editing standpoint before you start shooting - it will yield better, smoother results. Also, the pacing of the story doesn't allow the viewer to sympathize with any of the characters. Immediately we are introduced to a couple after some random imagery, only to see someone holding a gun in they're pants. Right away you are throwing all the cards on the table and instead of investing any concern in the characters, its much easier for the viewer to concentrate on what the "plot twist" will end up being.

Camerawork: Simply said - it's not good. I'm a bigger fan than most of camera movement, but in this case it simply contradicts the mood. The on screen action is static, yet the camera seems to hover around without any real motivation (than possibly the fact that a tripod was not available). For example - if you used more static camera setups or dolly shots for the first section - that would intensify the handheld work during the robbery scene, which would serve to actually compliment and enhance the emotion behind the shot, but instead the camera movement is so frequent it becomes diluted. Oh yes, and my biggest gripe: IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT ON VIDEO, USE MANUAL FOCUS!!!!! It looks like the focus was dropped on a number of occasions - even handheld shots should be planned to the point that you could manually focus throughout, so take your time with this stuff. The aperture/exposure was not where it should have been for some of the shots.

Lighting: The two girls talking at the table looked good overall. The rest was lacking. The bar scenes seemed too dark (couldn?t make out surroundings) and the lighting on the characters was too harsh for my tastes - especially the light behind the woman's head. The outdoor shots looked a bit bland which can't always be controlled (especially on a budget without shooting permits) but some of the setups didn't make sense. Like showing the gunwoman in the foreground in a shadow while the background is incredibly bright - it takes away the idea that she has complete control over the scene - having her dominated by the surroundings make her far less threatening.

Writing: The script is weak and cliché. IMO, this is the hardest part of making a film or video to begin with, so it is forgivable. But in all honesty, the video is so weak from a cinematic standpoint that the flatness of the storyline really stands out. With a weak story, it is the director and cinematographer's job to make it interesting visually and bring the most that they can out of it.

Music: IMO, I hated the score. It was annoying and I felt took away from the video - it served as a bridge between the different places and times, tying them together as one story but it was bland and felt like it dragged the whole thing to the ground.

Sound Design: I don't want to comment too heavily as you say this is in the works - but thus far it appears as though nothing has been done, and it currently is home video quality. Even out the dialogue levels as best you can (though it seems little attention was paid to mic placement during the shoot) and spice up the scenes with background noise - bring the locations to life!

I suppose that's all I've got after watching it twice - if you want to PM and discuss more, I'd be more than happy to! I also wanted to say I think it takes guts to put out something you invest in and it can be insanely difficult to take criticism, but in the end it's all a learning experience. Art, and especially cinema, is far more than your vision, or what you create - it is also about how the viewer interacts and responds to it. So don't take anything anyone says as a personal insult, take it as a challenge to push yourself to create something that will blow them away. And honestly ? the first glass shot was phenomenal, the focus, the lighting, the framing, the color, the mise-en-scene, everything was perfect!!


 
Compudork
EXCELLENT criticism.. Thanks so much for the time- I'm printing out this as we speak. Want to know something funny? The first shot is one of the few shots I shot myself. I shot it because I wanted to use it as a DOF test. I directed the piece but did not shoot it and find working with a DP a major chore. I want to become an actor's director since I'm so nervous around actors that it's somethign that I really want to get over - so I agree that some of the shots were very off.

I will chew on what you said and thanks again for the comments - I'll send you a link to the finished cut since we're a ways off .

P.S. the music was not the score - that's still being written
 
Honestly, why do you seek criticism from such a forum? It's obvious that there are several people here that choose to antagonism rather than offer anything of value, so why do you persist? The fact that you obdurately post in spite of all the negativity indicates, to me at least, that you really don't value their opinions anyway.

What do you think of your work? If you want to know about the latest news with Ashlee Simpson, then check ATOT; otherwise, seek the proper forum.

For what it's worth, I liked it enough to watch it. I offer no criticism because I admit to being the most nescient person when it comes to films. Also, I love the pasty girl with the black hair.
 
Originally posted by: Descartes
Honestly, why do you seek criticism from such a forum? It's obvious that there are several people here that choose to antagonism rather than offer anything of value, so why do you persist? The fact that you obdurately post in spite of all the negativity indicates, to me at least, that you really don't value their opinions anyway.

What do you think of your work? If you want to know about the latest news with Ashlee Simpson, then check ATOT; otherwise, seek the proper forum.

For what it's worth, I liked it enough to watch it. I offer no criticism because I admit to being the most nescient person when it comes to films. Also, I love the pasty girl with the black hair.

He doesn't seek critisism. He posts these threads every time he makes some 5 second "clip" which "isn't done yet" and asks for opinions... we all tell him they suck.. a couple people offer critisisms... and then he doesn't do anything.

He's asked for critisism for almost every piece of that "film" on numerous occasions, and each time he gets less and less actual critisism because people realize that he doesn't actually *do* anything after he is critisized, and the next clip is just as terrible. After 10 of these crappy films everyone has realized how talentless he is.
 
I offered constructive criticism for one of the first pieces he posted and while he was appreciative in the time it took to post what I thought and as time went on I got the impression that he's really not looking for opinions unless they match his own.

And he has still NEVER posted a follow up to ANY of the pieces people have offered criticism on.

What's the point in asking for people's advice, not taking any of it and then not even showing them what you've done with the piece when it's done?

I can only imagine he's just looking for attention.
 
Originally posted by: pulse8
I offered constructive criticism for one of the first pieces he posted and while he was appreciative in the time it took to post what I thought and as time went on I got the impression that he's really not looking for opinions unless they match his own.

And he has still NEVER posted a follow up to ANY of the pieces people have offered criticism on.

What's the point in asking for people's advice, not taking any of it and then not even showing them what you've done with the piece when it's done?

I can only imagine he's just looking for attention.

This latest one seems to be a follow up.. like I said.... it's just an amalgamation of the last 20 clips he's posted, with absolutely nothing done to make them any better than when they were posted before.

Talentless has been redefined.
 
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