Rookie networking home for cable internet

Felecha

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Cable internet has come to my dirt road in New Hampshire, and I want it! I called a local networking company, and they were sure they could do it for less than $1000, so I've been looking into how to network my family's 3 PC's and one Apple iBook. I've been learning a lot, and there are still questions, if anyone can help.

Seem clear from what I've been told, that networking won't get the Apple to work with the PC's, but they can share the internet fine. The iBook has a port built right in, which is nice.

I understand that the cable company will bring the cable into the house, hook it to their modem, and run to one computer. If I want to network the rest, that's up to me. My understanding of the configuration I'll want is this -- the modem would run straight to a router, and from there I would run cable to each of the machines. Seems to me that if I leave it hooked to the first one and network from there, all the computers would depend on the first one for the internet. If it freezes or reboots or goes down, the others would be off?

I've been to Staples and looked at their array of products. Two questions :

I see a card from Linksys for $20, and one from 3Com for $80. The sales guy and a customer who knew more than he did both told me the cheap card would do fine, 3Com's price is the name value. True?

Linksys had 2 products, a 5-port hub for $60, which said on the box something like "Connect it right to the internet via cable/DSL". And a router, with 4 ports on the back, for $180. What does the router do that the hub doesn't, or vice versa? I sort of thought a hub just connected computers together, so the result would be 4 computers on the same internet connection, and a router would be needed to keep 4 separate internet connections separate from each other, so to speak. The sales guy admitted he was not the networking jock that day, the real jock was on his day off.

I expect to buy cable and run it from the hub/router through the house to wall jacks and then use patch cables to the computers. I went to Radio Shack, and there the networking guy was gone for the day, too, but I got to see Cat 5 cable and see what RJ45 connectors look like. I read somewhere that the connector takes a special crimping tool, which is hideously expensive for a one-time use, but they can be put on "by hand" if you want. Any advice on this? I expect the wall jacks will be hand-wired, but at the router end I'd need to put on connectors.

I know nothing of what will be needed on the software front. Will the cards need drivers, and are there Control Panel things I'll need to do right?

Any help will be appreciated. I've seen cable internet, and I'm thrilled that I could get it here before the end of the decade! And stop the squabbling over who's on the internet at my house. Teenage daughters!

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b0red

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<< Seems to me that if I leave it hooked to the first one and network from there, all the computers would depend on the first one for the internet. If it freezes or reboots or goes down, the others would be off? >>


Yes.



<< I see a card from Linksys for $20, and one from 3Com for $80. The sales guy and a customer who knew more than he did both told me the cheap card would do fine, 3Com's price is the name value. True? >>


Like comparing a Mercedes with a Honda. You be the judge. :)



<< Linksys had 2 products, a 5-port hub for $60, which said on the box something like &quot;Connect it right to the internet via cable/DSL&quot;. And a router, with 4 ports on the back, for $180. What does the router do that the hub doesn't, or vice versa? I sort of thought a hub just connected computers together, so the result would be 4 computers on the same internet connection, and a router would be needed to keep 4 separate internet connections separate from each other, so to speak. >>


1 way to share. Cable to HUB to computers. Then you need to buy extra IPs for each of your computers. Call your cable company first.
2nd way to share. Cable to ROUTER to computers. That's it.



<< Will the cards need drivers, and are there Control Panel things I'll need to do right? >>


Yes, you need to install drivers, and config your network settings.
 

Felecha

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Thanks.

What's this mean -- what's an IPs?

&quot;1 way to share. Cable to HUB to computers. Then you need to buy extra IPs for each of your computers. Call your cable company&quot;
 

ArkAoss

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you dont know what the ip is? um this could be dificult, i've done what your talking about, best bet is buy that router thingy, then run the cabling by. but as to crimping it by hand without the tool, it really isnt possible. you live in NH? ever done any electrical wiring? which cable company?
 

Felecha

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I'm an OK handyman, I've don plenty of straightforward house wiring, I've run my own phone lines in the old house, wired up jacks and crimped new ends on phone lines. So I'm probably OK with it when it gets ready to be done.

As for connecnting without a crimper tool, I read this on a DIY site:

You don't need any fancy crimping tools to make one cable, just one normal size screw driver and one small screwdriver with a blade the same thickness' of the brass conductors in the RJ45 connector. You may need a second pair of hands to help hold the cable and RJ45 connector while you or your helper secures the connector cable lock. It's a little tricky to get all the wires into the proper holes but with a little patients anyone can do it. When it comes time to securing the connector cable lock use the normal size screwdriver that fits into the connector cable lock slot. It doesn't take a lot of pressure to seat the cable lock just tap lightly until the cable is secure.

There's more, but that is where I got the idea that I could do it myself, by hand and with the proper advice.

As for IP, I would expect that is the IP thing in the TCP/IP settings in DUN, but when the other post said buy extra IPs for each of your computers, I wasn't sure if there was a typo or if there's more to the IP thing than I thought. I've understood that it's my address on the net when I'm connected to the Internet, a number assigned to me when I log on at my ISP, assigned by their server. But I admit I'm not sure I've got it right. Any clarification would help. Extra knowledge is so useful, it's worth the extra weight and space.

I'm in central New Hampshire, near Laconia. Metrocast Cablevision has made a deal with ISP Channel, out of California, to use Metrocast's cable to provide Internet.
 

ArkAoss

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ok, each pc that access the web is/has an &quot;ip&quot; 4 sets on numbers between 0 and 255 like 90.0.0.1 (it's like a phone number/address for tcp/ip) when you get the internet thru a phone line, each time you connect the isp assigns a different one to you that is free at the time. When your on a cable or dsl line you become a member of their network, and are asigned one number permanantly. when you &quot;buy more ip's&quot; you tell the cable company you'd like to conect other pc's and when they come to the house they wire the cable modem to one pc, and give you a list of other ip's you have assigned to you, (usually costs about an extra 5 bux a month per ip addy) and if you have a network set up you can then take their apps cd to the other machines install their software, and use one of the ip's off the list, and then you remove the cable modem from the pc, and hook it to the hub's sharing port, also when making network cable, there are 8 wires in the cable and they cant just be conected haphazardly, the &quot;cat 5&quot; cable should have 4 twisted pairs, brown/brown&amp;white stripe/blue/blue&amp;white/green/green&amp;white/orange/orange&amp;white. you insert those into the connecter in the same order on both ends of the cable, and due to the way it works electrically it's best to split a pair around another. I have been taught the best method is to do br.br&amp;w.bl.gr.gr&amp;w.bl&amp;w.or.or&amp;w thats brown brownwhite blue green greenwhite bluewhite orange orangewhite.
 

ArkAoss

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im sorry if that confused you a bit, if ya want I'll try to re explain it, i confused my self a bit with that