Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

[fskimospy]

Compared to the Bedlam refugees that comprise the bulk of the Republican candidacy, Dr. Paul seems quite normal. Put him in normal company and you may start to realize he still has his little 'quirks'...

I'm pretty sure the attitude towards Ron Paul is an example of damning someone with faint praise. He's certainly less insane than Michele Bachmann, but what does that really tell you?

 

[SilthDraeth]

Okay, for the first time ever, I spent about 15 minutes on his site, looking at what he's propose.

How the hell are people that stupid to believe that half of that stuff would work, or actually would be beneficial??

Please explain in detail what won't work, and why it wouldn't?

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm pretty sure the attitude towards Ron Paul is an example of damning someone with faint praise. He's certainly less insane than Michele Bachmann, but what does that really tell you?

I never thought I would say this, but with the current crop of Republican candidates (you know the circus clown car) he actually has the most consistent message and other the being a full fledged Libertopian, he may get some traction if he wins in Iowa.

 

[CanOWorms]

He never had a "racist newsletter", that's your complete lack of knowing what you are talking about, and letting the media tell you what to think going on there.

Of course he did.

How can the media tell me what to think is going on when they don't even mention it? If he became a viable candidate, it would gain prominent national exposure, and he would sink just like his fellow Texan.

 

[janas19]

Based on what was said in the Iowa debate alone, I think Ron Paul has some pretty fascinating ideas and judging from the applause he received a lot of people in the crowd liked his ideas too. Does that make him electable? No. Mainstream America generally doesn't veer too far from the status quo when it comes to presidential elections, and I don't see Ron Paul as a realistic nominee.

 

[Zebo]

No chance. He's a whinny man, Americans don't like whiners. Then you have issue of defunding much of the grants of discretion, virtually every bill congress passes, to hook up businesses who in turn contribute to congresscritters/President elections. Paul won't get shit from TPTB. Finally media and conditioned public just lolz at his ideas liking more of the same.

 

[bfdd]

And, has any republican a plan for the economy that isn't just lowering taxes on the rich and corps, and gutting regulations that benefit only the rich? We know that doesn't work allready.

there are plenty of regulations that are beneficial to big business and they are a large reason our unemployment is out of control, spending and debting are out of control and why you see jobs being shipped overseas so they can increase their profit margins. a lot of what we have been sold as regulations for good have squashed small and medium business. our economy is crap, the only thing wenhave left is energy production and food production. the other crap is superfluous.

 

[TridenT]

Okay, for the first time ever, I spent about 15 minutes on his site, looking at what he's propose.

How the hell are people that stupid to believe that half of that stuff would work, or actually would be beneficial??

Or that it's very unlikely that he would get ANY of it to go through? I would assume because they do not know the system.

I was interested in Ron Paul at one time, but that was back when you couldn't really get a lot of solid information on the guy... Now, well, shit. Dude is obviously a serious wingnut.

 

[Chainspell]

This is what i do with my rig nowadays...

http://www.youtube.com/christianmalazarte

I make Ron Paul videos lol. i found out about him in August.

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[Chainspell]

there are plenty of regulations that are beneficial to big business and they are a large reason our unemployment is out of control, spending and debting are out of control and why you see jobs being shipped overseas so they can increase their profit margins. a lot of what we have been sold as regulations for good have squashed small and medium business. our economy is crap, the only thing wenhave left is energy production and food production. the other crap is superfluous.

Yap let's tax businessman 50 percent. So that the poor can get their fair share of THEIR riches... And then let's wonder why no ones hiring and why jobs are moving overseas.

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[Chainspell]

Yap let's tax businessman 50 percent. So that the poor can get their fair share of THEIR riches... And then let's wonder why no ones hiring and why jobs are moving overseas.

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And for what? So we can give the poor welfare.. How about giving them a job? Teach a man to fish comes to mind.

Oh but the poor have to work 3 jobs to afford college and health care.... That's what happens when government tries to manipulate free economics. Govt gives out 60k for student loans... And then you wonder why schools are suddenly charging 60k..

Get the government out of it. They don't know any better than we do. Except the difference is... When we as individuals or businesses don't make any profit we suffer and we pay the consequences. When govt is inefficient and bankrupt they can just tax more and pay nothing because it's not their money to begin with.

Why do we think that government can make better decisions than the people? It's sad...

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[Craig234]

And for what? So we can give the poor welfare.. How about giving them a job? Teach a man to fish comes to mind.

Oh but the poor have to work 3 jobs to afford college and health care.... That's what happens when government tries to manipulate free economics. Govt gives out 60k for student loans... And then you wonder why schools are suddenly charging 60k..

Get the government out of it. They don't know any better than we do. Except the difference is... When we as individuals or businesses don't make any profit we suffer and we pay the consequences. When govt is inefficient and bankrupt they can just tax more and pay nothing because it's not their money to begin with.

Why do we think that government can make better decisions than the people? It's sad...

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The level of idiocy by people becoming ignorant economic cultist dogma followers leaving them babbling harmful nonsense is a real danger to our country.

It's just scary, like watching the people who insisted they'd be sent to a nearby asteroid.

We just need to shift more wealth to the ultra rich, and it'll help average citizens!

 

[Chainspell]

The level of idiocy by people becoming ignorant economic cultist dogma followers leaving them babbling harmful nonsense is a real danger to our country.

It's just scary, like watching the people who insisted they'd be sent to a nearby asteroid.

We just need to shift more wealth to the ultra rich, and it'll help average citizens!

Did you make a point or did you just spout out words without thinking about the discussion? "Fear itself...

Do you have anything else besides "let's be afraid of them"?

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[Chainspell]

The level of idiocy by people becoming ignorant economic cultist dogma followers leaving them babbling harmful nonsense is a real danger to our country.

It's just scary, like watching the people who insisted they'd be sent to a nearby asteroid.

We just need to shift more wealth to the ultra rich, and it'll help average citizens!

Maybe stop punishing the ultra rich for being ultra rich? Is that fair?

Average tax rate for regular people 20%
Average tax rate for people who owns businesses 50%

Oh that's fair...

You listening? Coz I'm taking my precious time to school you.
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[matt0611]

Or that it's very unlikely that he would get ANY of it to go through? I would assume because they do not know the system.

I was interested in Ron Paul at one time, but that was back when you couldn't really get a lot of solid information on the guy... Now, well, shit. Dude is obviously a serious wingnut.

There's plenty of things Ron Paul could get through with a republican congress.
(lower taxes, cutting spending, maybe getting rid of a few departments, getting rid of obamacare, etc)

There's also a lot of things the President can do unilaterally (vetos, foreign policy, indefinite detention, federal war on drugs, border stuff, court appointments, fed chairman appointments, etc)

 

[Nemesis 1]

His racist newsletters prevent him from being a viable national candidate. Just like Perry and his whole ranch fiasco. He's obviously not integrated into mainstream American society.

Nothing like spreading lies. Paul never said the things you want us to believe . Paul believes in libert for everyone no matter the race or creed

 

[Nemesis 1]

Read Gary North. Greenbackism is closer to the Fed than it is to hard money 100% reservism.

One mans view . Abe was a Mason who defected.

 

[matt0611]

Nothing like spreading lies. Paul never said the things you want us to believe . Paul believes in libert for everyone no matter the race or creed

The stuff in those news letters was nothing that people don't hear on talk radio everyday, something about black people stopping rioting to go get their welfare checks. Not to mention that if anyone actually listens to the guy or reads his stuff he talks nothing like this. He's already dealt with this issue every congressional run and during the last presidential run too and has taken responsibility for not monitoring the content of the letters more closely.

No, the thing that keeps him from being the front-runner is the irrational hyper-fear of "teh islam", and "teh terrarists", and the obsession with Israel, that many conservatives have. If Ron Paul had the same foreign policy views of Newt and Romney he would most likely be the frontrunner.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No chance. He's a whinny man, Americans don't like whiners. Then you have issue of defunding much of the grants of discretion, virtually every bill congress passes, to hook up businesses who in turn contribute to congresscritters/President elections. Paul won't get shit from TPTB. Finally media and conditioned public just lolz at his ideas liking more of the same.

Your to involved in self . As your reply reads. Paul can do nothing without the house and senate going along with him . Fart chance . What he can do however out weights any negitive . The people how disagree with pauls views are only using talking points . As I said without the house and senate behind him he can do little . After 2 years tho. If America likes him and his policy leads to getting back on track the mid term elections could be very interesting as America will vote with paul or against him . The man is refreshing.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Or that it's very unlikely that he would get ANY of it to go through? I would assume because they do not know the system.

I was interested in Ron Paul at one time, but that was back when you couldn't really get a lot of solid information on the guy... Now, well, shit. Dude is obviously a serious wingnut.

You just helped out Paul on this forum . Good job.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The level of idiocy by people becoming ignorant economic cultist dogma followers leaving them babbling harmful nonsense is a real danger to our country.

You have proved your own Quote to all of us time and time again . Keep up the good work LOL

 

[airdata]

Okay, for the first time ever, I spent about 15 minutes on his site, looking at what he's propose.

How the hell are people that stupid to believe that half of that stuff would work, or actually would be beneficial??

Instead of a blanket insult how about posting something showing another candidate with a better plan for anything.

We already know Paul has the best, most consistent service record.... So I won't pretend you can show another candidate surpassing him there.

 

[airdata]

Anti Ron Paul talking points :

-He's unelectable ( no sort of logic backs this up if we're picking the best candidate)
-He's crazy (crazy because he talks about real issues and pwns others at debate? )
-Religious or Evolution beliefs ( I honestly could care less... )

What did I miss there? Because that's really all there is to the anti ron paul crowd. With the other candidates they show you they're idiots by flip flopping, bumbling at debates, being caught with dead hookers... oh, nm, he just cheated on his wife and took bailout money while already being rich....

 

[SilthDraeth]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/14/usa-campaign-paul-idUSN1E7BD0F520111214

"...Public Policy Polling released a survey on Tuesday showing him one percentage point behind Gingrich for the lead in Iowa.

Paul took 21 percent in the survey compared to 22 percent for Gingrich with Romney third at 16 percent. (statistically a tie right?)

In New Hampshire, which follows Iowa's caucus with a primary election on Jan. 10, Romney led with 33 percent in a Rasmussen Reports poll released on Tuesday. Gingrich was second with 22 percent and Paul third at 18 percent. Paul's four-point gap behind Gingrich narrowed from a 10-point gap in the previous week's poll and marked Paul's best showing so far, Rasmussen said..."

Looks like he is getting even closer.

 

[xj0hnx]

Of course he did.

How can the media tell me what to think is going on when they don't even mention it? If he became a viable candidate, it would gain prominent national exposure, and he would sink just like his fellow Texan.

No, he didn't, that lie was crushed a LONG time ago, and only the dumbest of the dumb still try to cling to it.