Ron Paul on Obama

[AAjax]

Ron Paul responding to a question about Obama


I hold the same opinion that Obama has no real policy, and would only change if it meant votes(thus the nifty campaign slogan) . He's a damn fine campaigning Politician, but thats exactly what he is, and I fear little more.

 

[Vic]

Try not to forget exactly who it was that kept Ron Paul from running in November.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Vic
Try not to forget exactly who it was that kept Ron Paul from running in November.

Why Vic, was it You?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: AAjax
Ron Paul responding to a question about Obama


I hold the same opinion that Obama has no real policy, and would only change if it meant votes(thus the nifty campaign slogan) . He's a damn fine campaigning Politician, but thats exactly what he is, and I fear little more.

But how would he feel about Obama if he were forced to pick among him, Hillary, and McCain?

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[Vic]

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: Vic
Try not to forget exactly who it was that kept Ron Paul from running in November.

Why Vic, was it You?

No, it was the GOP.

Don't reward them.

 

[jpeyton]

God bless Ron Paul for continuing to chip away at McCain's Republican base.

 

[AnnonUSA]

Ron Paul is the only one that understands the fundamental problems with America today, and is not afraid to say it out loud. People that write him off are those that believe that you can ignore these issues and they will somehow disappear. You don't hear Ron Paul's solutions to problems being some massive spending program that is going to solve all our problems overnight.

And he correctly states that just repeating "Change" over and over again means absolutely nothing without real plans for change, sadly we, or Obama's "youths" won't get a message to him, if he gets to Washington he will tow the Democratic party line of cutting war spending, only to double spending on domestic programs that will serve special interests on the other side of the aisle. The only change will be who will reap our swindled tax dollars....

Ron Paul IS the Man, the fact he is dismissed by his own party and the American public shows that we are not ready for true "Change". Ron Paul is the man that could do America the most good.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Ron Paul is the only one that understands the fundamental problems with America today, and is not afraid to say it out loud. People that write him off are those that believe that you can ignore these issues and they will somehow disappear. You don't hear Ron Paul's solutions to problems being some massive spending program that is going to solve all our problems overnight.

And he correctly states that just repeating "Change" over and over again means absolutely nothing without real plans for change, sadly we, or Obama's "youths" won't get a message to him, if he gets to Washington he will tow the Democratic party line of cutting war spending, only to double spending on domestic programs that will serve special interests on the other side of the aisle. The only change will be who will reap our swindled tax dollars....

Ron Paul IS the Man, the fact he is dismissed by his own party and the American public shows that we are not ready for true "Change". Ron Paul is the man that could do America the most good.

He is not THE man. I agree that probably at a deep level he understands problems--at least as _I_ see them--more than any other candidate, including Obama. Unfortunately, he combines great ideas with a few terrible ones. As a politician, he is probably too candid (because we don't like to hear our faults or get tough love) and that is a flaw; I wonder how he'd actually be able to have dealt with other completely dissimilar leaders.

 

[Lemon law]

Ron Paul is a libertarian in republican clothing, he took his over hyped ideas to the American public, and Ron Paul
was overwhelmingly rejected by the GOP voter.

And now a man so far out of the main stream of American political thought presumes to judge Obama when he really is acting as nothing but a partisan hack. Had the question been different and Paul was more honest, we might analyze the relative standing of Obama and McCain on some sort of a never tried and theoretical Ron Paul scale. And then we might find Obama is far closer to Ron Paul on foreign policy and both Obama and McCain are simply out on some sort of another planet on domestic policy.

But if Ron Paul wants to act as some sort of political hack, his comments should be judged in exactly that light. And given the ACTUAL American support he commanded, Ron Paul is a rather irrelevant political hack.

 

[Robor]

Obama and Paul aren't even close on policies. Why would any Obama supporter be surprised - or care - about his opinion of him?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Robor
Obama and Paul aren't even close on policies. Why would any Obama supporter be surprised - or care - about his opinion of him?

I don't think anyone really does. It just so happens that he is in the spotlight for another 15 min.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Robor
Obama and Paul aren't even close on policies. Why would any Obama supporter be surprised - or care - about his opinion of him?

I don't think anyone really does. It just so happens that he is in the spotlight for another 15 min.

On anandtech; mainstream he honestly isn't even a blip.

 

[LegendKiller]

lol. I love how he's trying to stay relevent to sell his books.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Ron Paul is a libertarian in republican clothing, he took his over hyped ideas to the American public, and Ron Paul
was overwhelmingly rejected by the GOP voter.

And now a man so far out of the main stream of American political thought presumes to judge Obama when he really is acting as nothing but a partisan hack. Had the question been different and Paul was more honest, we might analyze the relative standing of Obama and McCain on some sort of a never tried and theoretical Ron Paul scale. And then we might find Obama is far closer to Ron Paul on foreign policy and both Obama and McCain are simply out on some sort of another planet on domestic policy.

But if Ron Paul wants to act as some sort of political hack, his comments should be judged in exactly that light. And given the ACTUAL American support he commanded, Ron Paul is a rather irrelevant political hack.

Paul dominated 3 states, and that may not be a lot of "ACTUAL" American support, but it's not insignificant. The fact that he has the highest campaign donations from our military (see: foreign policy) is not insignificant. The fact that he was raising more campaign money than almost all of his peers (Republican and Democratic) is not insignificant.

Second, you call him "nothing but a partisan hack" but then proceed to say that had the question been more specific, we might find that Obama is "far closer" to RP on foreign policy and that Obama/McCain are both out there on domestic policy. You can't have it both ways.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Ron Paul is the only one that understands the fundamental problems with America today, and is not afraid to say it out loud. People that write him off are those that believe that you can ignore these issues and they will somehow disappear. You don't hear Ron Paul's solutions to problems being some massive spending program that is going to solve all our problems overnight.

And he correctly states that just repeating "Change" over and over again means absolutely nothing without real plans for change, sadly we, or Obama's "youths" won't get a message to him, if he gets to Washington he will tow the Democratic party line of cutting war spending, only to double spending on domestic programs that will serve special interests on the other side of the aisle. The only change will be who will reap our swindled tax dollars....

Ron Paul IS the Man, the fact he is dismissed by his own party and the American public shows that we are not ready for true "Change". Ron Paul is the man that could do America the most good.

He is not THE man. I agree that probably at a deep level he understands problems--at least as _I_ see them--more than any other candidate, including Obama. Unfortunately, he combines great ideas with a few terrible ones. As a politician, he is probably too candid (because we don't like to hear our faults or get tough love) and that is a flaw; I wonder how he'd actually be able to have dealt with other completely dissimilar leaders.

I agree, he combines great ideas with a few terrible ones. The fact that he has a few terrible ones is what separates him from the status quo, and in this country if you're not status quo (see: Obama) then you aren't even considered "electable". Precisely the same people who say they're for "change" are the same people who are scared of too much change.

Don't get me wrong, I like Obama but he doesn't address some of the major issues that Paul is talking about in the video (such as viable solutions to domestic fiscal policy, reducing Iraq troops but increasing numbers in Afghanistan, illegal/legal medical drug use). To reiterate, stay status sheeple quo with a little change and you are hailed as a hero, divert from status quo with too much change (i.e. new viable ideas) and you're labeled "crazy"... hmm. I purport as long as the sheeple are soothed with American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, and Paris-Lohan the sheeple will still be content until they realize their mortgage has just doubled and their house is being foreclosed.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Paul dominated 3 states, and that may not be a lot of "ACTUAL" American support, but it's not insignificant. The fact that he has the highest campaign donations from our military (see: foreign policy) is not insignificant. The fact that he was raising more campaign money than almost all of his peers (Republican and Democratic) is not insignificant.

Second, you call him "nothing but a partisan hack" but then proceed to say that had the question been more specific, we might find that Obama is "far closer" to RP on foreign policy and that Obama/McCain are both out there on domestic policy. You can't have it both ways.

It is insignificant in that he's running against McCain who many (R)'s can't even stand. Paul had a brief period of uber-hyped support and faded into nothingness. Obama *crushed* him in campaign donations. Ron Paul was a flash in the pan. He's Ross Perot 2008.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Paul dominated 3 states, and that may not be a lot of "ACTUAL" American support, but it's not insignificant. The fact that he has the highest campaign donations from our military (see: foreign policy) is not insignificant. The fact that he was raising more campaign money than almost all of his peers (Republican and Democratic) is not insignificant.

Second, you call him "nothing but a partisan hack" but then proceed to say that had the question been more specific, we might find that Obama is "far closer" to RP on foreign policy and that Obama/McCain are both out there on domestic policy. You can't have it both ways.

It is insignificant in that he's running against McCain who many (R)'s can't even stand. Paul had a brief period of uber-hyped support and faded into nothingness. Obama *crushed* him in campaign donations. Ron Paul was a flash in the pan. He's Ross Perot 2008.

So your theory is that Paul only won states that didn't support McCain? Do you know how much Paul's ideas differ from McCain? Your assumption is incorrect, because Paul won states that are Libertarian strongholds. Anytime an entire state(s) stand behind a candidate, that candidate holds clout in my book.

Paul outraised Obama in military contributions, don't get it twisted. Of course overall Obama has raised more (see: snowball effect of primaries), but if you think Obama is more qualified than Paul to speak on foreign policy, our troops would disagree. Read up on Paul's knowledge of foreign policy vs Obama's, you may be surprised.

 

[ericlp]

Ya know...... Now that we know the out come of the two party cluster F..k, I'd have loved for ron paul to have been the nomination for the repubs.

Would have been cool to hear the ron/obama debates. Pretty much McSame is just gonna get owned with any debate by anyone; Don't say I didn't tell ya so.

 

[Moonbeam]

His answer was an excellent one. Now when do the youth get converted?

And why is it that only the youth have any chance to see?

Why are you already too old?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

So your theory is that Paul only won states that didn't support McCain? Do you know how much Paul's ideas differ from McCain? Your assumption is incorrect, because Paul won states that are Libertarian strongholds. Anytime an entire state(s) stand behind a candidate, that candidate holds clout in my book.

Paul outraised Obama in military contributions, don't get it twisted. Of course overall Obama has raised more (see: snowball effect of primaries), but if you think Obama is more qualified than Paul to speak on foreign policy, our troops would disagree. Read up on Paul's knowledge of foreign policy vs Obama's, you may be surprised.

Ron Paul didn't win any states.

As for what 'our troops' would think, that's an incredibly broad statement that you can't possibly support. I know I for one used to be one of 'our troops' and I consider Obama's foreign policy much more realistic and useful then Paul's.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
His answer was an excellent one. Now when do the youth get converted?

And why is it that only the youth have any chance to see?

Why are you already too old?

Because people are only forced to read the Constitution in high school?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: Vic
Try not to forget exactly who it was that kept Ron Paul from running in November.

Why Vic, was it You?

No, it was the GOP.

Don't reward them.

Damn right. And the GOP will not be getting my vote this year.

 

[ranmaniac]

The establishment would have assassinated Ron Paul if he had any chance of becoming the Republican nominee. There are too many people who feed on the government trough, from people on welfare and food stamps, to war profiteers.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac
The establishment would have assassinated Ron Paul if he had any chance of becoming the Republican nominee. There are too many people who feed on the government trough, from people on welfare and food stamps, to war profiteers.

LOL.

I love your sig. As a Minnesotan who voted for Ventura, it's laughable that he even opined on the subject.

 

[Slew Foot]

Ron Paul's the only guy who talks about cutting government spending and lowering taxes. That alone gets him my vote, aside from whatever koo-koo social views he has.