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He didn't poll low in every legitimate poll and there is no "legitimate" polls these days as legitimate is subjective. There was massive fraud not just against Dr. Paul, but also against Santorum. I live in VA where the gov is one of Romney's biggest supporters and for every 1 Romney bumper sticker, there were at least 5 Dr. Paul bumper stickers and 4 Obama bumper stickers. Dr. Paul also significantly outraised Romney among the troops and the entrance polls for IA caucuses showed Romney winning only the wealthy.

Just so I'm clear, are you saying Ron Paul would have won the nomination but for voter fraud by Romney and his supporters?
 

fskimospy

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I know that he got significantly more than 12% of the vote. It probably would've been between Dr. Paul and Santorum if it weren't for the fraud.

So you are alleging a conspiracy between dozens of independent polling firms as well as massive statewide fraud in a number of different primary elections across the country?
 

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really? this post contradicts the post ben swann just made on facebook.

Ben Swann of Reality Check Fox 19 said:
‎3 FACTS ABOUT A CANDIDATES NAME BEING PLACED INTO NOMINATION AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION!

I have been in touch with a member of the RNC Rules committee over the past 4 days and have been able to confirm a few FACTS about the nomination process.

1. For a candidate's name to be placed into nomination at the RNC you DO need a plurality of delegates from 5 states.

2. Binding and Non-binding distinctions DO NOT have an affect on nominating a candidates name. If "binding" is allowable by rule, (it is not) it would only pertain to a vote taken on the nomination, not the process of placing a name in nomination.

3. The Ron Paul campaign HAS the majority of delegates in the following 5 states: Nevada, Maine, Minnesota, Louisana, Iowa. He MAY have the majority in Massachusetts and Colorado
 

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So you are alleging a conspiracy between dozens of independent polling firms as well as massive statewide fraud in a number of different primary elections across the country?
Yes and the RNC runs things from the top down, so the fact that the fraud took place in several states is irrelevant.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Also, Ted Cruz (endorsed by Dr. Paul) did a lot better than 12% so that indicates there was fraud against Dr. Paul. Finally, he ran against 2 neocons in the 2010 primary and he won with 70% or so of the vote, so there was fraud in the 2012 primary.

No way it could be that more people find Cruz to be a better candidate than Dewhurst? I voted for Cruz but didn't vote for Paul, I'm sure that they're many other Texas voters that voted the same way I did in the primary.
 

Anarchist420

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No way it could be that more people find Cruz to be a better candidate than Dewhurst? I voted for Cruz but didn't vote for Paul, I'm sure that they're many other Texas voters that voted the same way I did in the primary.
Not sure that I believe you... but can you prove that there was no algorithmic vote flipping? If you can, then I'd love to see the proof:)

I don't know why anyone would take the time to research it and write all of that stuff up if it's not likely that fraud occured.
 

thraashman

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I'm gonna start making ridiculous claims of fraud too! I don't think Ron Paul actually exists. Have you met the guy? I haven't. I think he's a fraudulent fictional character created by the mainstream media so they have something to ignore. Have you seen the internet polls! According to the internet a full 215% of Americans think Ron Paul is should be President and another 104% believe he's already President! The mainstream media and Fox News are covering up his fictionalness to push the agenda that fictional character should be President!!!!!

I'm not sure, but I think I may have come up with a conspiracy theory more ridiculous than the average Paulnut, gonna be a close call though.
 

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Not sure that I believe you... but can you prove that there was no algorithmic vote flipping? If you can, then I'd love to see the proof:)

I don't know why anyone would take the time to research it and write all of that stuff up if it's not likely that fraud occured.

It is not for folks to prove it does not exist.... it is for others to prove it to be true. There is a great thread over in the RP forums about this and there are definately irregularites but nothing iron clad.

Paul might or might not have the 5 states but that has always been irrlelevant to him speaking, he has to be invited to speak and frankly I doubt very seriously he will even be invited. He will probably hold another rally nearby like in '08 but this one is going to be absolutely huge compared to '08.

If Romney were smart he would give the man 15+ minutes, its not going to hurt his chances (which is slim) and "might" gain him a good percentage of Pauls base. This election is coming down to 3 states imo and every little bit will help.

Honestly I feel that the RNC is going to be awesome. The word on the street is that Paul is going to have a sizable support base there so anything is possible for all I know. I wanna see a riot tbh, not to mention outside the complex is basically going to be swamped with Paulbots (read: thousands) ;)
 

Anarchist420

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There is a great thread over in the RP forums about this and there are definately irregularites but nothing iron clad.
I'd say it's iron clad, but not quite diamond clad.:)

In my opinion, the fact that Dr. Paul himself has not said much of anything is the best evidence that there was not fraud.