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Romney praises socialised medicine

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fskimospy

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Most of the children placed into foster care are probably placed there after they are older and their birth parents have already screwed them up.

Adopting children out at birth will prevent their birth parents from screwing them up. Given that their mother is not only having a child out of wedlock, but is doing it when its illegal, I do not exactly have high hopes for her raising children well.
lol. It's cute when you just make random, fact free declarations to back up your insane ideas.
 

fskimospy

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I'm genuinely interested in this sudden new girlfriend. Does she live in Canada? Is she aware of your views on women's health, employment, etc?
 

nehalem256

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I'm genuinely interested in this sudden new girlfriend. Does she live in Canada? Is she aware of your views on women's health, employment, etc?
What is your problem with Canada? Not that she lives there.

What about my view on women's health. My view is that independent women should take care of their own health care. Why is that view such a problem to you?

I would say my view on women's employment is clear.
 

fskimospy

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What is your problem with Canada? Not that she lives there.

What about my view on women's health. My view is that independent women should take care of their own health care. Why is that view such a problem to you?

I would say my view on women's employment is clear.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my girlfriend who lives in canada

We've already been over how vile your views on women are, I'm just wondering if your 'girlfriend' is aware of them. If so, what are her thoughts?
 

TheVrolok

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I would propose some very simple and reasonable rules to receive societal support:

1.) Graduate high school
2.) No children out of wedlock
3.) No drug use or committing violent crimes or theft.

If you are unwilling to do the very basic things to avoid become trouble for society then you do not deserve and help.
The troll is strong with this one.
 

blankslate

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Not that liberals have any clue either. They are always saying that America spend twice as much on health care as other countries such as Israel. The part they leave out is that half of that spending is by the government. So the question is why is the government failing to provide health care for everyone?
Because right now Health insurance companies want their profits. That's part of the reason that they didn't lobby extremely hard against the ACA.

The mandate will give them more customers so even if they have to spend more of the insurance fee dollar on actual health care and less on overhead they see an increase in revenue.
 

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So, this thread is about Jews getting the best price for health care?
Nu? So vat else is nu?

Just a thought. Maybe we need a Jewish President? He could get us a better deal on our debt with China.

Schumer in 2016
"Such a Deal"
 

Hayabusa Rider

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So, this thread is about Jews getting the best price for health care?
Nu? So vat else is nu?

Just a thought. Maybe we need a Jewish President? He could get us a better deal on our debt with China.

Schumer in 2016
"Such a Deal"
He could get you a bris, wholesale!
 

nehalem256

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Because right now Health insurance companies want their profits. That's part of the reason that they didn't lobby extremely hard against the ACA.

The mandate will give them more customers so even if they have to spend more of the insurance fee dollar on actual health care and less on overhead they see an increase in revenue.
So you do not think if Obama had said we can provide everyone with health care for free and we will not have to spend a single additional penny to do so that such an idea would not have had widespread support?

And in fact everyone person would have larger pay checks, and businesses would have increased profits since they would not longer need to pay for health care.
 

fskimospy

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Your idea of "vile" view is that independent women should be expected to support themselves. Clearly you lack an understanding of the English language.
Uh-huh. Sure.

No really though, what does your Canadian girlfriend think about your views on women?
 

nehalem256

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Uh-huh. Sure.

No really though, what does your Canadian girlfriend think about your views on women?
I do not have any Canadian girlfriend.

EDIT: Although perhaps the better question is why would my girlfriend want me to be forced to support women who are not her?
 

Throckmorton

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I do not have any Canadian girlfriend.

EDIT: Although perhaps the better question is why would my girlfriend want me to be forced to support women who are not her?
The continuation of the human race depends on women having womens' body parts and being more expensive to insure.
 

nehalem256

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The continuation of the human race depends on women having womens' body parts and being more expensive to insure.
1.) You completely failed to address my question. Women are completely free to find a man to support them and share in their health care costs. If a woman instead decides to be "independent" then her reproductive capacity naturally declines anyway.

2.) You mean like how evolution is designed men to be bigger than women and need more food. Funny how the government does not give men special coupons to offset this added cost.
 

fskimospy

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I do not have any Canadian girlfriend.

EDIT: Although perhaps the better question is why would my girlfriend want me to be forced to support women who are not her?
I have no idea what your girlfriend might want, that's why I was asking you. I'm genuinely interested to know if you have shared your.... unique views.
 

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In an attempt to be the first elected Mormon Super Jew, Mittens while at the wailing wall with his pet billionare said the following...



Way to go Romney giving props to socialised medicine. But wait isn't it his position in the United States that the ACA is socialised medicine and constantly rails against it? Even though the ACA isn't but well save that for a later debate.

So is this a flip, a flop or a flipped flop flipped??

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/07/30/whiplash-mitt-romney-lavishes-praise-on-israels-socialist-government-controlled-healthcare-system/
Good. For the moment, he gets it.
 

DrPizza

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Getting cancer is not a moral viewpoint.

Thinking that people should be able to do whatever they want and get bailed out by society is a moral viewpoint. An insane moral viewpoint.
Ohhh, I get it. Someone can smoke pack after pack of cigarettes each day and end up with cancer. Then, expect society to bail them out and pay for surgery & chemo. That's a moral viewpoint, but it is not a moral viewpoint.
 

nehalem256

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Ohhh, I get it. Someone can smoke pack after pack of cigarettes each day and end up with cancer. Then, expect society to bail them out and pay for surgery & chemo. That's a moral viewpoint, but it is not a moral viewpoint.
I have no problem denying government help for those who smoke cigarettes and get cancer.
 

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I have no problem denying government help for those who smoke cigarettes and get cancer.
I think a much more workable idea would be to charge taxes on those cigarettes that pay for the added societal cost that is incurred by smoking them. That way you deter people from smoking and cover their additional burden on society.
 

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I have no problem denying government help for those who smoke cigarettes and get cancer.
And, how do you know that the cigarettes gave them cancer? Perhaps the person was an auto mechanic who did a lot of work on brakes and breathed in a lot of asbestos. Perhaps he had an elevated level of radon in his basement. The smoking was secondary to the other causes.


But, now that we found that you're willing to deny people health care because of their personal choices, "we looked through your credit card records and see that you purchased a big mac in 1992. I'm sorry, we're denying your claim for triple bypass surgery."

NO ONE would be eligible for health care under your system.
 

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When someone uses that phrase it's sometimes thought of in degrees. Do rules come before treatment? Who ultimately makes decisions? Will it be the provider or patient or algorithmic regulations from DC?

It was a fair question that I didn't want to ask in a leading way aimed at what I assumed to be an adult mind and therefore not directed at you.
If decisions about healthcare are entirely in the hands of doctors and patients, what is the expected result? The patient wants as much care as possible. He wants an MRI every 6 months just in case he might have cancer. It's a totally rational stance for the patient. And the doctor of course wants the best outcome for his patient (selfless) and/or wants to bill as much as possible (selfish). So what about whoever is responsible for paying for this? Doesn't matter if it is the tax payer in a case with a government payer, or those who pay the premiums in a system of private insurance. It seems to me that there is no way around the notion that those who pay the bill must have some say in the matter.

- wolf
 

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There is no reason a crackwhore has to be a woman.



There is no reason you could not design a system of medical care to cover your case, but still not cover those who do not deserve it.
Who 'deserves it'?

I have no problem denying government help for those who smoke cigarettes and get cancer.
What about those who had to grow up and work around those who smoke cigarettes, and who subsequently gets cancer? Is it their fault because they couldn't afford to move away because their parents couldn't afford an education for them because they were always spending their money on cigarettes?
 
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nehalem256

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And, how do you know that the cigarettes gave them cancer? Perhaps the person was an auto mechanic who did a lot of work on brakes and breathed in a lot of asbestos. Perhaps he had an elevated level of radon in his basement. The smoking was secondary to the other causes.


But, now that we found that you're willing to deny people health care because of their personal choices, "we looked through your credit card records and see that you purchased a big mac in 1992. I'm sorry, we're denying your claim for triple bypass surgery."

NO ONE would be eligible for health care under your system.
I did not realize that big mac contained a warning on them about causing cancer or heart disease.

Also, what if they ran 10 miles before eating the big mac. What you really want to do is deny government health care to the obese.

How do you suggest we monitor this? What other lifestyles should we deny government assistance for and how will we track them?
When people buy cigarettes here they swipe their driver's license to verify its valid. Seems easy to keep a database of such purchases.
 

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