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Romney Flip Flops on Auto Industry Bailout

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Well considering Obama's announcement today they might want to hold off on calling Romney a flip-flopper.

Unfortunately what Obama did was not really a flip flop. He's supported gay rights in the past, he's been against an anti gay marriage amendment, he's supported civil unions with full rights, he's admitted his views on the subject were evolving, he's just been against gay marriage in specific. If someone like Santorum were to support gay marriage all of a sudden, now that'd be a flip flop. Then again I'm surprised Santorum hasn't publicly supported burning homosexuals at the stake.

Obama coming out in support of gay marriage would only be a flip flop if it was the opposite of his former position. However based on his words and actions of the past this is more of a natural progression. I don't think you know what a flip flop actually is.
 
Unfortunately what Obama did was not really a flip flop. He's supported gay rights in the past, he's been against an anti gay marriage amendment, he's supported civil unions with full rights, he's admitted his views on the subject were evolving, he's just been against gay marriage in specific. If someone like Santorum were to support gay marriage all of a sudden, now that'd be a flip flop. Then again I'm surprised Santorum hasn't publicly supported burning homosexuals at the stake.

Obama coming out in support of gay marriage would only be a flip flop if it was the opposite of his former position. However based on his words and actions of the past this is more of a natural progression. I don't think you know what a flip flop actually is.

Exactly, this is not a 'flip flop', it's a minor evolution on a detailed part of gay rights.

Now, if you want to ask if Obama has adjusted his position for politics - I think so.

But his position is nothing like the average Republican much less the greatest flip flopper in modern politics, Mitt Romney.

And Obama has the benefit of going from 'mostly right' to 'right' - being right an issue counts for more than the minor or major change on an issue. Give me a politician who changes his position to the right one over one who sticks to the wrong position any day, that's more important.

Obama has generally been pro-gay rights (so was Romney earlier, saying he was for more rights than Ted Kennedy). Obama held off on one; and now is more consistent supporting that one as well. Romney on the other hand has totally abandoned all his previous position for rights, now opposing all gay rights on the table, to the right of most Republicans, opposing not only gay marriage but civil unions, supporting his church that spend millions out of state to fight the end of discrimination, and opposing removing Don't Ask Don't Tell.

So Romney has gone from yelling how he's totally for gay rights and more than Ted Kennedy and how seriously he takes them as civil rights (when convenient) to a total reversal strongly anti-gay equality (when convenient), while Obama has gone from a long list of supporting gay rights with one exception to removing the one exception (when he'll alienate a lot of bigoted voters). Only a liar will say those are equivalent.
 
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I wonder when the dems will realize that being copy-cats and trying to effectively use the republican flip-flop tactic only works to rally those who already hate republicans. The rest of the nation see it as desperation.
 
xJ0hnx correctly quoted Al Gore...not sure why you linked Snopes...perhaps you misread what he typed. Gore took a lot of credit for creating the internet...no?

He not only said what he said but it had the effect in context of what he said. It is in the Congressional Record... Yay! Gore...

Now if some interpret that in a manner other than what the context provides it is them who've to amend their argument, no?

We always ought to, 'Say what we mean, mean what we say and insure that what we do say cannot be construed to mean something other than what we meant by what we said'.... A paraphrase from the ITT break up case... As I recall it.

EDIT: Always be aware of the little pointy thingi... they could be word mines... heheheheh
 
xJ0hnx correctly quoted Al Gore...not sure why you linked Snopes...perhaps you misread what he typed. Gore took a lot of credit for creating the internet...no?

He also deserves a lot of credit for it. There's a reason he's been called "the father of the internet". His choice of phrases may have been cocky or arrogant, but he wasn't saying anything that wasn't true.
 
xJ0hnx correctly quoted Al Gore...not sure why you linked Snopes...perhaps you misread what he typed. Gore took a lot of credit for creating the internet...no?

The reason I quoted snopes should be really obvious. xjohnx replied to a post stating that Gore was falsely maligned for saying he created the internet a quotation that lacked context. I provided the context.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask! As always I am at your disposal, friend DSF.
 
Agree...especially the "cocky" and "arrogant" part.

When folk run for office they offer evidence from their past that points to whether or not they have leadership qualities. If you are unwilling to say things that are nice about yourself you won't get elected even though if you do you will sound egotistical.

So for you, because of your negative attitude, the important thing for you is to see what he said as slimy. You don't want to credit the truth of what he said because you aren't really fair. You believe in your own truthiness. You don't like cocky and arrogant so you practice them when you think you see them. And don't try to turn this around and point at me. I'm the one who sees you. I'd never be able to see you if I didn't see me and seeing can set you free. Can, mind you, not that it always does.
 
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