Rollo's 6600GT SLI benches

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nRollo

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My my, you're an interesting person Sellmen.

Let's recap:
1. You come into my thread and crap on it when you have no interest in the hardware, and don't even really have modern hardware.
2. You brag about the X800XL you are going to get and "own me"
which are faster than your little SLI rig without the heat, noise, or expensive motherboard
when you know I already own an X800XT PE rig?

How would you like it if when you get your X800XL and post about it if I came into your threads and posted, "Meh. X800XLs are for poor people, I would never consider such a lowly rig! If you can handle that 12X10 4X8X crap, they are fine, but I game at 16X12 4X8X on my XT PE!"

Seems to me you're the one justifying your purchases, I'm just telling people about new tech they want to know about. ;)

 

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You do know that...

1) The X800 XL lacks Dual DVI
2) The X800 XL is very overpriced
3) The X800 XL is hard to find
4) The X800 XL lacks PSM 3.0

Still deciding between a 6800GT and a X800XL

If I could only find one I like....
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Hard Warrior:
Value-class RAM on a monster like that? If I based my opinion on CW only I'd expect that you'd have all sorts of issues.

It seems to work fine, can't see spending the jing for CAS2 Corsair when the 2.5 stuff is doing the job. (and I doubt holding me back more than a couple frames)

I'll definitely send it to FS/T and upgrade if it gives me problems, but so far, so good.

That's good to hear. You were bound to come out stable with Corsair. I've had nothing but good experiences with them.

If you haven't noticed glitching so far you're probably good.

 

sellmen

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Originally posted by: Rollo
My my, you're an interesting person Sellmen.

Let's recap:
1. You come into my thread and crap on it when you have no interest in the hardware, and don't even really have modern hardware.
2. You brag about the X800XL you are going to get and "own me"
which are faster than your little SLI rig without the heat, noise, or expensive motherboard
when you know I already own an X800XT PE rig?

How would you like it if when you get your X800XL and post about it if I came into your threads and posted, "Meh. X800XLs are for poor people, I would never consider such a lowly rig! If you can handle that 12X10 4X8X crap, they are fine, but I game at 16X12 4X8X on my XT PE!"

Seems to me you're the one justifying your purchases, I'm just telling people about new tech they want to know about. ;)

Really, I said I was going to "own you"?

Please, if you want to quote me, do it accurately, your twisting and distortions are pathetic.

My point is that a 6600GT SLI rig is a terrible choice when compared to a 6800SLI/X800XL rig. I could care less about your other systems, how nice your hardware is, whatever.

Yet you keep "refuting" my claims with these weird arguments..."X800XL is only 10 FPS faster", what kind of argument is that? "X800XL is only available from two vendors" - so? You realize with this little thing called the internet, we can all order stuff from any store! Quite amazing really.

In any case, I am convinced SLI is the way forward, my five year old has my AGP X800 XT PE, and life with SLI has been good so far.

When I bring up counter-arguments - X800XL is faster, cheaper, quieter, cooler; you somehow brush them all aside.
 

Jeff7181

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Ok... lets settle this like men... unzip and flop it down on the table next to a ruler...
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: sellmen
When I bring up counter-arguments - X800XL is faster, cheaper, quieter, cooler; you somehow brush them all aside.

Why do you feel that counter arguments to this degree are needed, sellman? In the final analysis Rollo is spending his money for what he wants, and has been kind enough to share his experiences. Why does this irk you so?
 

sellmen

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: sellmen
When I bring up counter-arguments - X800XL is faster, cheaper, quieter, cooler; you somehow brush them all aside.

Why do you feel that counter arguments to this degree are needed, sellman? In the final analysis Rollo is spending his money for what he wants, and has been kind enough to share his experiences. Why does this irk you so?

Because this is a hardware discussion forum? I wasn't the first to question Rollo's statement that "SLI is the way forward", I entered the argument as it progressed.

I made it clear that Rollo can spend however much he wants, on whatever he wants. If you make a statement like "SLI is the way forward" on a hardware discussion forum, you should expect some discussion.

I'm done with this argument, it's pointless.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Avalon
Rollo, Steam shouldn't throw too much of a hissy fit if you try to install your copy of HL2 on your son's computer. Just simply login to your account on his computer and install away.

If you're wrong it could cost him his key. Valve has been very touchy since the "From Russia with love" incident and prone to showy excess when it comes to protecting their property. They also tend to save up violations and spring them en masse.

Sorry for bringing back somewhate off topic, but this is just absurd. The whole point of steam is that you can log on, download and play whatever games you own though steam on whatever computer you want. Now don't go giving your account out to the world or logging in from multiple locations at the same time or that might get you banned, but feel free to just copy the whole steam directory over to disk and install that on whatever machine you want.

Absurd? Great choice of words there. I would have been glad to address your thoughts on this matter without the hyperbole. As it is, I'll just quietly marvel at the childish, self-serving stupidity that allows you to think that you can simply copy and paste a Steam delivered game wherever you want.

Now please, back to the interesting SLI discussion...


Absurd as in all you have to do is read the steam EULA to see that your speculation and little rant are way off base.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: sellmen
Really, I said I was going to "own you"?
In a manner of speaking, what I quoted calling my rig "little" in comparison to the BIG X800 XL rig you'll be getting is a way of saying "I'll own you" IMO.

Please, if you want to quote me, do it accurately, your twisting and distortions are pathetic.
I think your irrational hatred of the 6600GT SLI is pathetic?

My point is that a 6600GT SLI rig is a terrible choice when compared to a 6800SLI/X800XL rig.
TERRIBLE

The truth with Far Cry
Look at that! On the last playable setting, 12X10 4X8X, the X800XL is ahead of the 6600GT SLI by 3fps! (58>55fps) Woot! A big victory for the mighty X800XL- it's getting tingly as I type!

D'oh! Tied at Doom 3 too!
(54>53)

HL2 I have to give you
This must be the TERRIBLE part- I can only run it at 10X7 4X8X on my "little" 6600GT SLI, but you can run it at 12X10 4X8X on the BIG RIG X800XL. :roll:

Uhoh. 6600s own Halo!
6600s at 65fps, X800XL at 50!

Darn. IL2 another tie
57>53

X800 owns the Lock On
No denying that one, not even close. Good thing I'd rather mow the yard than play air combat games!

TRAOD a "sort of" X800XL win
Neither the 6600GT SLI nor the X800XL can play at 16X12 at this game, but both are over 50fps average (my definition of "playable") with the X800XL over 60.

In summary, four ties on the playable settings, 2 victories X800XL, and one victory for the 6600 GT SLI.

Oh now I see the ERROR of my ways and what you mean Sellmen! When you get that X800XL, you will be SO MUCH better off than me! (at least while I'm in my den, well, maybe not even then ;) )

I could care less about your other systems, how nice your hardware is, whatever.
Sheesh. And I even got the really nice Asus X800XT PE with a Silencer! I guess you only like lower end parts. To each their own.

Yet you keep "refuting" my claims with these weird arguments..."X800XL is only 10 FPS faster", what kind of argument is that?
Actually I refuted you argument by posting seven benchmarks wherein you'd only be better off on two of the games, and the whole "better off" was made up of one off beat flying game the 6600 seems to have driver issues with, and being able to run HL2 one notch higher. Pretty clever how I did that, eh?

"X800XL is only available from two vendors" - so? You realize with this little thing called the internet, we can all order stuff from any store! Quite amazing really.
Hmm. Popular card, two vendors, stock can't last, back to the $416 and up vendors?


When I bring up counter-arguments - X800XL is faster, cheaper, quieter, cooler; you somehow brush them all aside.
I've just shown us all it's A. Not much faster B. Usually more expensive C. How do you know it's "quieter"? Link? I can tell you the 6600GTs aren't loud at all, and I've actually heard them? D. Cooler? What is it with this "cooler" stuff? Do you think anyone buying SLI cares about a few extra degrees of heat in their case? That's what case fans are for.


Sorry Sellmen, you haven't "sold" me. ;)
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: zakee00
i applaud you for your go-get-'em attitude rollo ;)

I am all about debating misinformation Zakee00. :)

I have nothing against X800XLs, but to give the impression they're somehow "far superior" to 6600GT SLI rigs has problems with the logic. If he had said "X800XLs give better Lock On and HL2 performance, as well as the possibility for much better performance on the odd game that doesn't benefit from SLI", I would have said,"That's true, but 6600GT SLI does give you some better non AA/AF, SM3, 32 bit precision, and WMV9 decode acceleration, so it has it's strengths as well."

But alas, he had to say my choice was "stupid" and a "waste of money". I truly regret being forced to debate in such a confrontational manner- the matter could have been settled over pleasant discussion.
;)

 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: zakee00
i applaud you for your go-get-'em attitude rollo ;)

I am all about debating misinformation Zakee00. :)

I have nothing against X800XLs, but to give the impression they're somehow "far superior" to 6600GT SLI rigs has problems with the logic. If he had said "X800XLs give better Lock On and HL2 performance, as well as the possibility for much better performance on the odd game that doesn't benefit from SLI", I would have said,"That's true, but 6600GT SLI does give you some better non AA/AF, SM3, 32 bit precision, and WMV9 decode acceleration, so it has it's strengths as well."

But alas, he had to say my choice was "stupid" and a "waste of money". I truly regret being forced to debate in such a confrontational manner- the matter could have been settled over pleasant discussion.
;)

i would say that SLi 6600GT's is a better choice then an x800XL also...for the reasons you listed. not a bad choice at all really. i just wouldn't have set aside my x800XT PE to play with SLi, thats all.
well, if i had the money i would ;) then i would get two 6800 ultras and set a WORLD SPEED RECORD BWWAHAHAHAH!!!!
sorry,
Nick
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: TheSnowmanAbsurd as in all you have to do is read the steam EULA to see that your speculation and little rant are way off base.

And where does it say that you can install multiple copies for your "single player" pleasure? As far as "ranting", where do you live that makes it okay to use "absurd" to describe a perfectly reasonable perspective? Get your head out your ass and learn some manners, sir. We can disagree, even about the mechanics of STEALING, as long as you keep your juvenile characterizations to yourself.

And if you have something else to say, say it to a mod. I've had my fill of twaddle for today.

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: sellmen
Because this is a hardware discussion forum?

I'm done with this argument, it's pointless.

Yeah, I noticed that. But there's no sub-title indicating that it's healthy to take ownership over what someone else purchases. Whether "SLI is the way forward" is clearly an opinion, and a viable one at that, in case you hadn't noticed.

For you, absolutely.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: zakee00
[i would say that SLi 6600GT's is a better choice then an x800XL also...for the reasons you listed. not a bad choice at all really. i just wouldn't have set aside my x800XT PE to play with SLi, thats all.
well, if i had the money i would ;) then i would get two 6800 ultras and set a WORLD SPEED RECORD BWWAHAHAHAH!!!!
sorry,
Nick

LOL
The X800 XT PE is still close at hand, can be utilized if necessary. ;)

 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: zakee00
[i would say that SLi 6600GT's is a better choice then an x800XL also...for the reasons you listed. not a bad choice at all really. i just wouldn't have set aside my x800XT PE to play with SLi, thats all.
well, if i had the money i would ;) then i would get two 6800 ultras and set a WORLD SPEED RECORD BWWAHAHAHAH!!!!
sorry,
Nick

LOL
The X800 XT PE is still close at hand, can be utilized if necessary. ;)

:D:D
 

fbrdphreak

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Hmmm.....IBTL? :p
Rollo, you must be wearing your troll perfume, 'cuz those mofos follow you everywhere. Welcome back btw :)

Sellman, I'm glad you enjoy our community and I love it that you get so into these discussions. You are right, this is a hardware discussion forum and discussing the benefits of SLI is a given. But you're getting pretty damn ugly to Rollo for no reason IMO. All I see is jealousy over Rollo spending wads of his cash on whatever he wants. You may think it was an unwise purchasing decision. I think you purchasing an internet connection at this point was an unwise purchasing decision. But I'm not going to lambast you until I feel better about my penis size. I am throwing a friendly suggestion your way that you take a chill and just DISCUSS NICELY.
As you probably don't know, not too long ago there was quite a heated thread going in which HardWarrior & Rollo got into it. Both were given a vacation from AT. Unless you can control your pubescent volatility, you'll be next. Do you see how nice they are being together? I think you can manage the same. Thanks for listening.

BTW, more benchies Rollo! Thx!
 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Hmmm.....IBTL? :p
Rollo, you must be wearing your troll perfume, 'cuz those mofos follow you everywhere. Welcome back btw :)

Sellman, I'm glad you enjoy our community and I love it that you get so into these discussions. You are right, this is a hardware discussion forum and discussing the benefits of SLI is a given. But you're getting pretty damn ugly to Rollo for no reason IMO. All I see is jealousy over Rollo spending wads of his cash on whatever he wants. You may think it was an unwise purchasing decision. I think you purchasing an internet connection at this point was an unwise purchasing decision. But I'm not going to lambast you until I feel better about my penis size. I am throwing a friendly suggestion your way that you take a chill and just DISCUSS NICELY.
As you probably don't know, not too long ago there was quite a heated thread going in which HardWarrior & Rollo got into it. Both were given a vacation from AT. Unless you can control your pubescent volatility, you'll be next. Do you see how nice they are being together? I think you can manage the same. Thanks for listening.

BTW, more benchies Rollo! Thx!

:thumbsup: :)
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Rollo
The ones that can benefit from SLI, nV does profiles for.
Does that imply that the games that NV doesn't create "SLI profiles" for, aren't usable or worth running in SLI mode?

Originally posted by: Rollo
That's why I factored it into the costs above. If you do have an SLI motherboard, 6800GT's are still significantly more expensive than X800XL's, but I agree that a 6800GT PCIE wouldn't be a bad choice. At least you will get decent performance on non-SLI games.
You keep coming back to this "non-sli games" stuff. What games are those?

And when it doesn't work - you get 6600GT performance, which is better than the 9800XT but significantly worse than any X800/6800.
Here you are again, back at your phantom, straw man point: "the games that don't work".
:roll: Like I said before, which are those, and who cares about some off beat games few buy that don't tax your card anyway?
I just wanted to point out, that for the average consumer, if something doesn't work out of the box, then it "doesn't work". So that means that all of the other games other than the ones that NV choose to write "SLI profiles" for, "don't work".

Sure, if I buy XYZ hardware that is made by ABC OEM mfg, and XYZ doesn't have driver support for my chosen OS, but I know that I can get the ABC OEM drivers, and hack the .INF file to added the PnP device-id string, in order to install that device under my chosen OS... well, in contrast, to the average consumer who doesn't know how to hack config files (that are not intended to be user-modified), then that device "doesn't work" under that OS.

In other words, does Nvidia offer a GUI as part of their driver set, to auto-detect and allow the user to choose to enable games for SLI? Or do you have to go around hacking low-level config files on your own? If it's the latter, then I think that someone would be fully justified in saying that NV SLI "only supports 84 games" (or however many).


My person take on SLI? (Regardless of NV, actually, even if ATI were also currently offering a multi-card SLI-like solution.)

Outside of the specialized workstation content-creation market, it's worthless to your average consumer. (But definately NOT worthless to the company that produces them - if they can convince consumers through marketing propeganda that they "need" SLI, then that means that the video-card company can charge a premium for "SLI"-capable hardware.)

But in the long run, in terms of overall price/performance efficiencies, SLI/multi-GPU solutions are much poorer than single-card/GPU solutions. (For example, look at the ATI Rage MAXX, as compared to a TNT2. The multi-GPU solution was variously expensive, wasteful, slow, incompatible, as compared to a slightly-more-modern single-GPU solution.) Multi-GPU solutions being designed and sold to the general consumer market, are purely because of either lagging R&D/development on a faster single-GPU solution, or because the company wants "bragging rights" over their market competition, based on unrealistic and unachievable theoretical performance numbers.

The exception for the workstation market is that for them, price is not really an objection, they want as much power as possible, period. For them, SLI is indeed a benefit, in terms of raw available power, compared to a single-card/GPU solution. Many higher-end workstation graphics solutions, for years before NV even existed as a company, were based on multiple-chip solutions. 3DLabs Glint/Delta/Gamma solutions were some of the most well-known ones.

PS. I mis-spoke earlier, I was speaking of multi-chip, not multi-core (on a single chip) solutions when I mentioned 3DLabs. Their usual Glint MX + Delta or + Gamma solution, included two rendering chips, and one geometry-accelerator chip, and a pool of VRAM for the display frame-buffer, and seperate pools of DRAM for texture/geometry data. It was quite an advanced solution for it's day. The card that I got to play around with, was a monsterous full-length PCI card solution, with chips covering both sides of it. It also made my NT4 OpenGL screensavers absolutely fly, since it implemented nearly the whole OpenGL pipeline entirely in hardware.


Likewise - on my future purchases, I don't want to have to be forced to pay an "SLI tax", just because some company got behind on their R&D and decided to implement multi-GPU stop-gap measures for the consumer market. (I mean, can you imagine, if instead of developing and selling the Pentium CPU, Intel instead pushed for 2-way and then 4-way 486 systems - not for business servers, but for home consumer systems?? Insane!) Yet, that is exactly what is going on right now in the video-card market. There are far too many people apparently, with more money than sense, buying these things. There's no purpose, and no need for it, IMHO.

Where were all of you current (NV) SLI fans, when the S3 Virge with 2MB of EDO DRAM was king of the consumer PC 3D-accelerator market? Why weren't you all drooling over $1500 3DLabs Glint-based 3D solutions, and upgrading from Win9x to NT Workstation just to play your 3D games? (Ok, lack of API support other than OpenGL was a factor, but still.) The consumer 3D market right now is ... insane. Literally.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Nope, because I meant that nForce4 SLI in general is the most future proof, not the A8N in particular. ;)
It's just a passing fad. If it wasn't, then why aren't we all running N-way SMP systems with Athlon XPs or Pentium 3 CPUs, instead of single-CPU systems with an AMD64 or P4 CPU? Hmmm....
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: sellmen
The X800XL is available now, BTW. "Only two vendors" - I 'm not sure exactly why that bothers you? You can get it now for $370, and the price will keep dropping until it hits the $300 MSRP. Will you still be proud of your $400 SLI rig when it is slower than a single $300 card? Probably...
Well, he has repeatedly expressed his continuing affection for his ATI Rage MAXX card, widely regarded as one of the most useless video cards ever made, from a price/performance, raw performance, and compatibility standpoint. (Well, aside from the NV-1-based cards, of which I own one of those.)
 

ronnn

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oops nevermind, I promised not to crash these "benchmarking threads" and I broke my promise. :disgust: