Roger Ebert rates Episode II: AOTC *Review Inside*

[Red Dawn]

I've noticed he's been slipping lately.Father Time taking his toll on you Red?

Your "Old Man " insults are about as tired as George Lucas Films of late. You fanboys should understand how difficult it is for Lucas to come up with something original because you both haven't been able to do it yourselves.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I've noticed he's been slipping lately.Father Time taking his toll on you Red?

Your "Old Man " insults are about as tired as George Lucas Films of late. You fanboys should understand how difficult it is for Lucas to come up with something original because you both haven't been able to do it yourselves.

 

[Red Dawn]

N8Magic, thanks for demonstrating my point!

 

[Nefrodite]

lol, just watched ebert on tv. seems roper likes eps 2 haha

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

And that, my friends, is why Lucas will probably never make another good movie. As long as the fanatics line up like communists in a bread line, he will continue to produce crap because the box office numbers are still good.

Despite some claiming that he has had an epiphany since Episode I, the fact is that in multiple interviews he has never expressed disappointment with it. He instead continues to maintain that Episode I was a hit at the box office, so it must have been spectacular.

Continue to support bad movies if you wish, but in the end it will be self-defeating.

So you're telling me that if I don't support Lucas, he won't make more movies, right?

Sorry, but I like Star Wars. You may not be a big fan of it, but I am. I will support him as long as he makes Star Wars movies because it is a great story, and better than 99% of the pure SHlT being put out there by Hollywood. It is a great story with great special effects and a few flaws.

I'm afraid you missed my point entirely. If you continue to support Lucas, he will continue to release movies that are only financially successful because of a popular franchise rather than merit. Assuming he is still capable of making a decent movie, he will have no incentive to do so as long as people line up like drones for crappy movies that take a lot less effort. It doesn't matter if you have a great story if it is portrayed ineffectively.

I never said I was not a big fan of Star Wars, but I am certainly not a fan of the horrendous movies Lucas looks to be putting out now. From the previews alone you can see disgusting romance cliches, and I recognized this even before Ebert's review. You are quite free as an individual to support this tripe, but I refuse and I feel I am doing a better service to the franchise than you are.

Probably the only way Lucas will have any chance of making Ep III a good movie is if people reject these half-ass efforts. Of course it will never happen, so I have very little faith that Ep III will be any better than Ep I or II. Lucas has said time and again he can't make a movie for the "fans" which to me is an excuse because movies made for the fans made the franchise successful in the first place.

 

[richd111]

Matrix 1,2,3.

Now go fetch me a bucket of popcorn.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
N8Magic, thanks for demonstrating my point!

Hey, even us young guys don't have it ALL the time.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey, even us young guys don't have it ALL the time.

SO why is it so hard to believe that Lucas has already shot his load with the first three ? It seems now he is just soaking the fan boys (and girls) for their money by taking advantage of their fanaticism.

BTW, It might not have been my best flames because I really wasn't flaming you or LM (just SW fanboys in general with my first post in this thread). I understand how devoted you are to Star Wars. Hopefully for your sake and Lord Maul's Mental Health )) this movie doesn't suck as bad as those who have seen it said it does.

 

[CoolTechie]

this may be one of the worst movies ive ever seen

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Hey, even us young guys don't have it ALL the time.

SO why is it so hard to believe that Lucas has already shot his load with the first three ? It seems now he is just soaking the fan boys (and girls) for their money by taking advantage of their fanaticism.

BTW, It might not have been my best flames because I really wasn't flaming you or LM(just SW fanboys ingeneral with my first post in this threas). I understand how devoted you are to Star Wars. Hopefully for your saks and Lord Maul's Mental Health )) this movie doesn't suck as bad as those who have seen it said it does.

News for you:

<---- not a Star Wars fan boy.

I'll go see it, but I won't rush right out and wait in line just so I can be one of the first.

 

[MrBond]

<lol, just watched ebert on tv. seems roper likes eps 2 haha >

I saw that last night too. I thought Ebert was going to start swinging, roper seemed to be pissing him off.

 

[Corn]

If you continue to support Lucas, he will continue to release movies that are only financially successful because of a popular franchise rather than merit. Assuming he is still capable of making a decent movie, he will have no incentive to do so as long as people line up like drones for crappy movies that take a lot less effort.

Newsflash for the lamers: Lucas is in the business to make money. I guarantee that you'll be forking over your money like a drone for this "crappy" movie.

Lucas doesn't owe you any movie that fits your tastes.

Here's a fact for you to swallow, it's kids that make movies profitable. Lucas is trying for mass appeal here, not just pleasing the "Lucas is an idiot" fanboys like yourself that represent a minuscule percentage of the population of potential moviegoers (and buyers of merchandise).

You are quite free as an individual to support this tripe, but I refuse and I feel I am doing a better service to the franchise than you are.

LOL, how exactly is whining on a message board that a movie doesn't suit your tastes "doing a better service to the franchise"? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you know whats better for the "franchise" than does it's creator and owner......and we know that because of your vast experience in producing box office smash after box office smash, right?

Didn't think so.

 

[CraigRT]

who cares what critics think?

they suck... they never rate good movies good. screw them.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: Yield

who cares what critics think?

they suck... they never rate good movies good. screw them.

really? such as? if you like eps 2 u agree with roper, if you didn't, you agree with ebert there you go, everyones happy.

Originally posted by: MrBond
<lol, just watched ebert on tv. seems roper likes eps 2 haha >




I saw that last night too. I thought Ebert was going to start swinging, roper seemed to be pissing him off.

yea that got intense

 

[Shagger]

More so so reviews...

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Corn

If you continue to support Lucas, he will continue to release movies that are only financially successful because of a popular franchise rather than merit. Assuming he is still capable of making a decent movie, he will have no incentive to do so as long as people line up like drones for crappy movies that take a lot less effort.

Newsflash for the lamers: Lucas is in the business to make money. I guarantee that you'll be forking over your money like a drone for this "crappy" movie.

Lucas doesn't owe you any movie that fits your tastes.

Here's a fact for you to swallow, it's kids that make movies profitable. Lucas is trying for mass appeal here, not just pleasing the "Lucas is an idiot" fanboys like yourself that represent a minuscule percentage of the population of potential moviegoers (and buyers of merchandise).

You are quite free as an individual to support this tripe, but I refuse and I feel I am doing a better service to the franchise than you are.

LOL, how exactly is whining on a message board that a movie doesn't suit your tastes "doing a better service to the franchise"? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you know whats better for the "franchise" than does it's creator and owner......and we know that because of your vast experience in producing box office smash after box office smash, right?

Didn't think so.

I already stated that I was most likely not going to see this movie. I don't see how that constitutes forking over anything. And children alone are not what made the franchise popular, nor did children alone make Fellowship of the Ring a success, nor did children alone make Spider-Man a success. Some of the biggest fans of these movies (ie the people who will see the movie multiple times, buy the soundtracks, etc.) are people who grew up reading the books or the comic books, and I'm afraid most of them aren't 5-year olds.

Does Lucas owe me a movie that fits my tastes? I never said he did. What I said was that I personally am not going to support him as long as he ignores the need for anything resembling a good script, characters, and plot. That is my right as a consumer. If I don't like something, I don't go see it. Some, like you, may go see a movie just because of its popular roots rather than the fact that it deserves to be judged by itself. My refusal to do so does not make me a drone/idiot/whatever other childish expletives you can come up with. It just makes me someone who doesn't wish to flush money down the toilet.

As for the franchise business, my point was that those people who honestly care about it are likely doing a disservice to it by supporting sub-par material. I am not refusing to go to the movie for the 'good of the franchise' I'm refusing to go because it sucks. The fact that I am refusing to see a bad movie (not supporting its creation) is just a positive side-effect in the end.

As for your newsflash about Lucas being in it to make money, I have stated that time and again in these threads. You obviously don't pay attention or you lack reading comprehension. I have also stated that there is nothing wrong about being in it to make money, but I think Lucas himself is confused about the best way to go about it. He now believes he has to appeal to a greater audience with his lame 'comic relief', child who accidentally manages to blow up huge ships, and completely cliched romances. He already had a mass audience to begin with, but now he is beginning to alienate them. Unfortunately, as I pointed out, those that are being alienated are too blind to care. They will go see the movie regardless.

By the way, I don't have to be a movie producer to recognize a bad movie. I don't have to be a good painter to like a work of art, either. If you believe that you are lacking the brain capacity given a log.

Based on your comments (and apparent anger), you are probably the type of person I've been talking about. Enjoy your wonderful movie but do us a favor and don't whine if/when Episode II and III suck as bad as the first.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: richd111
Matrix 1,2,3.

Now go fetch me a bucket of popcorn.

Nice try. I'm sorry, but there's no way the Matrix appeals to older people, and parents who would want to take their kids to see something and still be amazed and entertained...without having to see blood and guts and swearing to match the worst sailor in history(not that any of that is bad... ).

 

[LordMaul]

Hopefully for your sake and Lord Maul's Mental Health () this movie doesn't suck as bad as those who have seen it said it does.

OK, so...you're right. If, somehow...I have no idea HOW, but SOMEHOW, the movie sucks ass, then yes, I'll probably go end up with a mental breakdown.

 

[Red Dawn]

but there's no way the Matrix appeals to older people

I'm an older person and I loved the Matrix. I also liked "Fight Club. I enjoyed the original Star Wars movies but thought EP1 sucked ass big time.

 

[Shagger]

A few years back Piers Anthony wrote a bunch of stories in a series called "Incarnations of Immortality" or some such BS. The first book was pretty good, this guy killed Death and thus had to become Death. The new Death had to learn the job and put up with some machinations back at HQ so he didn't get screwed over. The next book in the series dealt with Mars the god of War and so on and so on. On up through Gaia, Earth Mother.

The problem was Piers Anthony used the EXACT SAME FORMULA in each book. New guy/girl gets unfamiliar job, has to learn on the job to prevent problems back on the ranch, ends up discovering special powers and winning over Evil. Each story was a pale imitation of the previous one. I stuck with the series hoping they'd get better but they didn't...I haven't bought a Piers Anthony book since.

It seems like Lucas, and to some extent Hollywood, is following a similar formula, wow them with effects and leave the story and characters to the side.

BTW - I enjoyed Matrix VERY much and I am an original fan of the SW franchise say it in 4th grade back in 1977!

 

[kami]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

and better than 99% of the pure SHlT being put out there by Hollywood

No it isn't

Yes it is.

Name 3 movies(how many new Star Wars movies there are/will be) that are better in special effects, cooler/more interesting to the general audience/more exciting story, better actors, and appealing to a huge amount of people that are say, and the movies must be 10 years old at the most, or less.


EDITED: for clarification

The Lord of the Rings trilogy

 

[LordMaul]

The Lord of the Rings trilogy

I don't think you're going to get many people to agree with you that LOTR is better than Star Wars...

Though that is a very good example.

 

[Shagger]

It's kinda like when I told my then girlfriend, now my wife, that it wasn't fair to compare here to this other girl I was interested in because, "It's like comparing apples and oranges, she's a blond and you are a brunette"

Surprisingly, I am still married even though I do continue to make stupid comments like that...

SW = Hot, stacked Blond

LOTR = Hot, curvy Brunette

 

[Corn]

And children alone are not what made the franchise popular, nor did children alone make Fellowship of the Ring a success, nor did children alone make Spider-Man a success.

I never said children alone has made SW a success. Only that its appeal to children greatly increases it audience. Remember, it's not just the children that go see these movies, it's also their parents.

What I said was that I personally am not going to support him as long as he ignores the need for anything resembling a good script, characters, and plot.

Have you seen the movie yet? Thought not, but it's nice to see you that you've got uninformed opinions based on what exactly, a review from Ebert? It's fine to have a preconceived notion of what to expect, so you go right ahead and keep believing this movies sucks, but I'll prefer to render my own judgement after I've seen it, instead of parroting someone else's opinion of it.

My refusal to do so does not make me a drone/idiot/whatever other childish expletives you can come up with.

LOL, wasn't it you who made a snap judgement using the term "drones" to describe someone who would watch this movie? Why yes it was. Next time you wish to complain about someone elses' "childish" behavior, perhaps it would do your reputation well not to be hypocritical about it, eh?

As for your newsflash about Lucas being in it to make money, I have stated that time and again in these threads. You obviously don't pay attention or you lack reading comprehension. I have also stated that there is nothing wrong about being in it to make money, but I think Lucas himself is confused about the best way to go about it.

Hey Balt, another newsflash for you: This is the first SW thread that I've had the misfortune of viewing. My world doesn't revolve around your sniveling rants about George Lucas or his movies. This is all rather amusing, really. Once again I'll point out something that's so obvious that your concern for my intellect is rather misplaced and should be directed back into some serious self-examination: You think Lucas is confused on how to make money from his franchise? Let's compare track records shall we. Lucas is a multi-millionaire, many, many times over. You are whining on a message board and are not a millionaire. Yeah, your track record is impressive. Maybe you should call George and offer your services, show him where he's "confused" and give him that clarity that has made you such a success in the entertainment business......

He now believes he has to appeal to a greater audience with his lame 'comic relief', child who accidentally manages to blow up huge ships, and completely cliched romances.

Yeah, like he never used lame "comic relief" in his first three released SW movies, right?

I already stated that I was most likely not going to see this movie.

LOL, if you say so, but the smart money say's you'll see it anyway.....which makes you a hypocrite. But that's OK, maybe you'll just download a VCD from the net, then you can be a hypocrite and a thief.

 

[Red Dawn]

Name 3 movies(how many new Star Wars movies there are/will be) that are better in special effects

Name 3 groups of fanboys more annoying than SW Fanboys

1) Trekkies

2) Intel Fan Boys

3) AMD Fan Boys

Well ok, maybe just the Trekkies.