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gregshin

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Ok my car is a 2.0 4cyl TURBO and i live in Southern California. It never reaches below 30 where i live in the winter time. I'm using 15w-50 wieght by mobil one synthethic for turbo and supercharged cars. Should i keep using 15w-50 or 10w-30? My habits are changing the oil and oil filter every 3,000 miles and air filter every 6,000. I also tend to drive hard at times too.
 
Originally posted by: gregshin
Ok my car is a 2.0 4cyl TURBO and i live in Southern California. It never reaches below 30 where i live in the winter time. I'm using 15w-30 wieght by mobil one synthethic for turbo and supercharged cars. Should i keep using 15w-30 or 10w-30? My habits are changing the oil and oil filter every 3,000 miles and air filter every 6,000. I also tend to drive hard at times too.

Go by what the owner's manual tells you. They usually have a graph that indicates what grades you can use depending on your climate.
 
Originally posted by: jemcam
Originally posted by: gregshin
Ok my car is a 2.0 4cyl TURBO and i live in Southern California. It never reaches below 30 where i live in the winter time. I'm using 15w-30 wieght by mobil one synthethic for turbo and supercharged cars. Should i keep using 15w-30 or 10w-30? My habits are changing the oil and oil filter every 3,000 miles and air filter every 6,000. I also tend to drive hard at times too.

Go by what the owner's manual tells you. They usually have a graph that indicates what grades you can use depending on your climate.

 
Originally posted by: Quixfire
I would recommend a straight 30wt oil, since your temp never get below freezing.
What??

No no.... straight 30 weight is only recommended down to 50 or 55F. Below that it is considerably thicker than "normal".

IMO, you can never have too much startup fluidity.

0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30 and 15W-30 are all 30 weight oils, the only difference is their cold temperature viscosity.

The oil you're using should be perefectly fine, since it is synthetic. It should be fluid down to around -50F.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Quixfire
I would recommend a straight 30wt oil, since your temp never get below freezing.
What??

No no.... straight 30 weight is only recommended down to 50 or 55F. Below that it is considerably thicker than "normal".

IMO, you can never have too much startup fluidity.

0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30 and 15W-30 are all 30 weight oils, the only difference is their cold temperature viscosity.

The oil you're using should be perefectly fine, since it is synthetic. It should be fluid down to around -50F.
Well, it looks like they don't make a straight 30wt oil anyways.

Mobil One Oils

So I would like to change my recommendation to 0W30 or 5W30 oil.
 
Why would you want to stray from what the manufacturer's recommends? What does your manual say? The engineers that designed the engine and tested it have a hell of a lot more experience and brains than any one on this board.

I don't get some people.
 
Originally posted by: Quixfire
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Quixfire
I would recommend a straight 30wt oil, since your temp never get below freezing.
What??

No no.... straight 30 weight is only recommended down to 50 or 55F. Below that it is considerably thicker than "normal".

IMO, you can never have too much startup fluidity.

0W-30, 5W-30, 10W-30 and 15W-30 are all 30 weight oils, the only difference is their cold temperature viscosity.

The oil you're using should be perefectly fine, since it is synthetic. It should be fluid down to around -50F.
Well, it looks like they don't make a straight 30wt oil anyways.

Mobil One Oils

So I would like to change my recommendation to 0W30 or 5W30 oil.


No offense Eli, but I would take Quixfire recommendation over yours. IIRC, Quixfire is also a very experienced mechanic.
 
15W50 is fine for what you are doing. I also put that is ricers cars, ESP when turboed. I used 15W50 in my motorcycle, and it worked great.

Stay with the mobil1 15W50 , just don't use Fram filters


Also you don't need to change the Air Filter every 6K. Hole it up to the sun, if light comes through 60% or more of the pleats then it is fine.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
15W50 is fine for what you are doing. I also put that is ricers cars, ESP when turboed. I used 15W50 in my motorcycle, and it worked great.

Stay with the mobil1 15W50 , just don't use Fram filters


Also you don't need to change the Air Filter every 6K. Hole it up to the sun, if light comes through 60% or more of the pleats then it is fine.

You could probably go to at least 5k between oil changes unless you are racing the car.

Air filter every 6k miles=waste of money. Buy a K&N and clean and oit it every 15,000 miles (hang on to one paper filter though to throw in there while the K&N is drying after a cleaning).
 
3000 miles on synthethic oil? Unless you live in very dusty conditions or live near the red line for that motor, you are wasting money changing it that often.
Since you drive it hard, I'd use the 15w-50.
 
I would just use what the owner manual recommends for engine oil.

Just a consideration: Changing your air filter every 6000 is expensive and opens the system up for bits of dirt when in a hurry.
Consider using a preoiled K&N stock replacement filter. Unless you off road, it is good for
50000. Even then it only needs cleaning and reoiling as per their instructions.
Both my Dakota and her Camero got a tiny bump in mpg......:sun:


EDIT: Something should be said about turbos. The major problem in a turbo living a long life is heat soak. If the engine is shut off, after a hot run up The Crest to Nemcomb's Ranch,
for example. The super heated turbo will cook the oil til it cokes, this is known as"coking".
It looks like tiny bits of charcoal. Its best to idle the engine a minuet or two before shut down. As an alternative, go easy on the throttle a mile or two before reaching a known destination. Water cooled turbos are known to coke too.
 
Turbos can be very hard on oil. After getting into boost a bit the entire exhaust manifold on my turbo glows red at night. Also if you've got an older engine, blow by will contaminate the oil enough that I'd change it after 3k rather than 6k.
 
FYI my motor cannot use the K&N oiled air filters...the oil will make my mass air flow sensor kaput. The air filter i use is mesh material from HKS. Which is notorius for awesome air flow but poor filtration.
 
Originally posted by: RayH
Turbos can be very hard on oil. After getting into boost a bit the entire exhaust manifold on my turbo glows red at night. Also if you've got an older engine, blow by will contaminate the oil enough that I'd change it after 3k rather than 6k.

thank you ray for noticing that =)
 
My post was not meant to irritate or annoy.

I personally would opt for filtration over flow, for engine life. Intake valve guides then piston rings suffer. It's yours and it's your choice.

What I had to say on turbos stands, I've overhauled many.


Old mechanic's saying.......Pay me now or pay me later. {later costs more}


Peace to you.....:sun:


EDIT: The dirt that makes it past your piston rings is now in your crankcase oil.
 
I'd say 15w50 Mobil 1 if it were me. Turbos get real hot when you work them, and that's where the 50w will help the most. 30* is reasonably cold, but 15w50 should be plenty good for that cool. Depending on how much you drive (enough for more than one oil change per year), then you could go with 15w50 for the summer and 10w30 for the winter (maybe even 10w40). Still though, I 2nd (or 3rd?) the idea of going by the book that came with the car.
 
Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
My post was not meant to irritate or annoy.

I personally would opt for filtration over flow, for engine life. Intake valve guides then piston rings suffer. It's yours and it's your choice.

What I had to say on turbos stands, I've overhauled many.


Old mechanic's saying.......Pay me now or pay me later. {later costs more}


Peace to you.....:sun:


EDIT: The dirt that makes it past your piston rings is now in your crankcase oil.

And has scored your cylinder walls.
😉

 
Originally posted by: gregshin
FYI my motor cannot use the K&N oiled air filters...the oil will make my mass air flow sensor kaput. The air filter i use is mesh material from HKS. Which is notorius for awesome air flow but poor filtration.

From what I've heard I think APEXi is suppose to have the best hi-flo filter in terms of actual filtration.
 
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