Roe Vs. Wade Roe is jumping ship

[Kenazo]

the Story

"The woman once known as "Jane Roe" whose case led to the legalization of abortion in the United States 30 years ago filed a new court challenge on Tuesday in a bid to overturn the landmark Supreme Court decision."

Obviously the abortion law will never be overturned, but isn't it a bit of a morale blow to the prochoice movement to have one of their pioneers working against them?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
the Story

"The woman once known as "Jane Roe" whose case led to the legalization of abortion in the United States 30 years ago filed a new court challenge on Tuesday in a bid to overturn the landmark Supreme Court decision."

Obviously the abortion law will never be overturned, but isn't it a bit of a morale blow to the prochoice movement to have one of their pioneers working against them?

Not really. She was/is just a pawn anyway.

 

[Kenazo]

Not really. She was/is just a pawn anyway.

I think probably most of the women are.

 

[LordJezo]

Why is this just coming out now?

I have known about this story for months now... maybe mainstream media just caught on.

Anyway, good for her.

If anything partial birth abortions need to be stopped. I don't see how thats not just straight up murder.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually, she was outspoken against this years ago, but was largely ignored. She is in the light because she is taking more of an activist stand.

 

[BeauJangles]

Well, I still don't think they should overturn this, even though the Plaintiff has changed sides..

 

[Amorphus]

partial birth abortions are basically murder.

abortions, no matter if you think the baby is "alive" or not (I do. yeah. I do. problem?) are sickening. look at the methodology. ugh.


This is great, Roe is doing the right thing, I think.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Good. Yeah, Jellomancer is anti-abortion.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

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[JACKHAMMER]

Honestly, what does it matter? Often in life your position in life changes and so does your outlook. She has had a change in her outlook in the past 30 yrs. So what, there are still people that abortion might be the best choice for.

<-- Die hard pro-choice, because you just never know what life will bring.

 

[ILikeStuff]

<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by: Amorphus
partial birth abortions are basically murder.

abortions, no matter if you think the baby is "alive" or not (I do. yeah. I do. problem?) are sickening. look at the methodology. ugh.


This is great, Roe is doing the right thing, I think.

I think you have to be atleast a senior member to present your opionion so forcefully.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

since when is a fetus a child? why do some people so insistently try to push their beliefs onto others? personlly i think a womans right to control what goes on in her body supercedes any rights a fetus may or may not have.

 

[Zombie]

I think they need to work on a new technology which would let the doctors transfer fetus to another human being. Thereby if you have a problem with somebody going thru abortion then you just show up at the clinic and get it transfered to your own body. It would be nice if the technology was gender neutral too.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

You know everything that happens in other peoples' lives? Are YOU going to adopt to that child? If the answer was No to either of those, then kindly STFU.

edit: btw, this happened years ago and is VERY old news. Apparently Roe got born again or what not...

 

[Fiveohhh]

morally I think its wrong to pay to have your own unborn child killed, but I don't have too strong of an opinion. If a mother wants to do it, its her choice, I just could never live with it.

 

[ILikeStuff]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

since when is a fetus a child? why do some people so insistently try to push their beliefs onto others? personlly i think a womans right to control what goes on in her body supercedes any rights a fetus may or may not have.

Her rights end where the baby's rights begin. The "fetus"(which is really just latin for baby) is a seperate and distinct human being and has the same rights as a child who was born 5 minutes ago, as a child who is two years old, and as the child whom I am responding to. Just because he/she depends on his/her mother for his/her existence does not give her the right to kill him or her. There is no ethical difference between a woman having an abortion and a woman dismembering her 6 week old child. The only difference is in the perception of the mother. Human rights aren't nullified simply because the child has not emerged from the uterus yet.

 

[LordJezo]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

since when is a fetus a child? why do some people so insistently try to push their beliefs onto others? personlly i think a womans right to control what goes on in her body supercedes any rights a fetus may or may not have.

i dont see how something that moves and kicks and thinks and etc isnt.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

You know everything that happens in other peoples' lives? Are YOU going to adopt to that child? If the answer was No to either of those, then kindly STFU.

edit: btw, this happened years ago and is VERY old news. Apparently Roe got born again or what not...

Boy, you sure do have some nice convenient excuses for abortion.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

since when is a fetus a child? why do some people so insistently try to push their beliefs onto others? personlly i think a womans right to control what goes on in her body supercedes any rights a fetus may or may not have.

Her rights end where the baby's rights begin. The "fetus"(which is really just latin for baby) is a seperate and distinct human being and has the same rights as a child who was born 5 minutes ago, as a child who is two years old, and as the child whom I am responding to. Just because he/she depends on his/her mother for his/her existence does not give her the right to kill him or her. There is no ethical difference between a woman having an abortion and a woman dismembering her 6 week old child. The only difference is in the perception of the mother. Human rights aren't nullified simply because the child has not emerged from the uterus yet.

Of course there is the difference that the fetus is dependent on her sustaining it for survival and that if she just cut the umbellical cord (or just removed, without damaging it, this "separate and distinct being" from her body), the fetus would die... would that be murder too?

 

[ILikeStuff]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

You know everything that happens in other peoples' lives? Are YOU going to adopt to that child? If the answer was No to either of those, then kindly STFU.

edit: btw, this happened years ago and is VERY old news. Apparently Roe got born again or what not...

Life is tough, people do stupid things and should take responsibility for their actions. The impetus is not on me to take responsibility for their actions. I am not responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my own. The whole "you can't oppose abortion because you won't adopt their babies" is ridiculous. Perhaps if they had to use a coat hanger in a back alley to murder their child, they'd be less likely to be screwing around before they are ready to handle the great power to create life they are wielding between their legs.

 

[yellowperil]

Roe has been anti-abortion since 1995. Kind of odd since she wrote a book the year before defending it. Apparently she had some sort of religious conversion and now speaks at events against abortion, including one sponsored by a pro-Aryan paper.

 

[ILikeStuff]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

since when is a fetus a child? why do some people so insistently try to push their beliefs onto others? personlly i think a womans right to control what goes on in her body supercedes any rights a fetus may or may not have.

Her rights end where the baby's rights begin. The "fetus"(which is really just latin for baby) is a seperate and distinct human being and has the same rights as a child who was born 5 minutes ago, as a child who is two years old, and as the child whom I am responding to. Just because he/she depends on his/her mother for his/her existence does not give her the right to kill him or her. There is no ethical difference between a woman having an abortion and a woman dismembering her 6 week old child. The only difference is in the perception of the mother. Human rights aren't nullified simply because the child has not emerged from the uterus yet.

Of course there is the difference that the fetus is dependent on her sustaining it for survival and that if she just cut the umbellical cord (or just removed, without damaging it, this "separate and distinct being" from her body), the fetus would die... would that be murder too?

A child of six weeks is wholly dependant on others for it's survival as well. Do you think it is ok for a infant to be removed from it's sources of nourishment and left to die? It's the same thing!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

You know everything that happens in other peoples' lives? Are YOU going to adopt to that child? If the answer was No to either of those, then kindly STFU.

edit: btw, this happened years ago and is VERY old news. Apparently Roe got born again or what not...

Life is tough, people do stupid things and should take responsibility for their actions. The impetus is not on me to take responsibility for their actions. I am not responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my own. The whole "you can't oppose abortion because you won't adopt their babies" is ridiculous. Perhaps if they had to use a coat hanger in a back alley to murder their child, they'd be less likely to be screwing around before they are ready to handle the great power to create life they are wielding between their legs.

Good. Be responsible for your own life and keep your beliefs out of other peoples' lives. As you pointed out, it's not your power to create life, it's THEIRS. And I certainly hope that you don't also consider yourself a Christian with the ill will you have wished on them.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
<-- Die hard anti-abortion, because no matter what life brings you, there is no excuse for intentionally killing an innocent child

You know everything that happens in other peoples' lives? Are YOU going to adopt to that child? If the answer was No to either of those, then kindly STFU.

edit: btw, this happened years ago and is VERY old news. Apparently Roe got born again or what not...

Life is tough, people do stupid things and should take responsibility for their actions. The impetus is not on me to take responsibility for their actions. I am not responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my own. The whole "you can't oppose abortion because you won't adopt their babies" is ridiculous. Perhaps if they had to use a coat hanger in a back alley to murder their child, they'd be less likely to be screwing around before they are ready to handle the great power to create life they are wielding between their legs.

The thing is, it's not apathy causing all the unwanted pregancies out there, it's ignorance. Ignorance on the mother's part because she was never given a frank education on sex and contraception and ignorance on the part of the parents, schools, and legislators who won't, for various reasons, promote this kind of education. Telling kids to not have sex is all good and well, but they're still going to. We could, IMO, put a significant dent in the number of unwanted pregnancies if kids had proper knowledge of how conception occurs and had access to contraception.