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No P&N thread is complete without PJABBER, and again he does not disappoint by comparing Senator Dick Durbin to Pol POT.
In the how low can you go department, PJABBER may not be the bottom, but he sure embraces and sites, as source authorities, the lowest idiots he can find.
In the how low can you go department, PJABBER may not be the bottom, but he sure embraces and sites, as source authorities, the lowest idiots he can find.
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Welcome to the Blago :wub: Obama thread, LL!
The "Pol Pot" reference is to statements Sen. Dick Durbin (senior Democrat from Illinois!) made comparing the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to victims of Nazis, Soviet gulags and Cambodia's Khmer Rouge.
Where was your outrage then?
Gee, the Democrats are the majority in both the House and the Senate in Congress and they are sitting comfy in the White House.
If Guantanamo Bay is such a horrid holding place for captured terrorists, comparable to the worst death camps in modern history according to the Democrat Senator from Illinois Dick Durbin, why haven't they closed it down?
I merely point out what the good Senator says, you can make your own judgment as to his judgment.
BTW, I use lots of sources. Use the search function if you don't believe me. Today, I extensively referred to Huffington Post and Comedy Central stories. The Durbin story (linked and quoted) broke on KSDK NewsChannel 5 (St. Louis.) Tomorrow it may be the DU political obituaries of all the actors in the Blago :wub: Obama dramatic comedy. Stay tuned!
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PJABBER asks, "The "Pol Pot" reference is to statements Sen. Dick Durbin (senior Democrat from Illinois!) made comparing the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to victims of Nazis, Soviet gulags and Cambodia's Khmer Rouge.
Where was your outrage then?"
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Well matter of fact PJABBER, I did not need Durbin to tell me that GWB&co. was acting exactly like Nazi's, Soveit Gulags, and Pol Pot, and totally 100% against the intentions of our founding fathers in their indefinite detention without a trial treatment of GITMO detainees. Why should I be outraged at the truth????????
I should also say, I have no problem with the detention of possible enemy combatants, I only have a problem when they have no ability to confront their accusers and get a fair trial in a court of law for years and years and years.? Sorry PJABBER, my country right or wrong hold no sway with me.
And since we can't prosecute POL Pot or Stalin, I will settle for GWB&co first and Blago second. Since we are not yet ready to confront the more criminal behavior of GWB&co yet as a country, we will now deal with Blago bullshit now that he can't stall his trial any further.
Maybe the better Blago defense should be, if GWB can get away with it, so should I.
Where was your outrage then?"
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Well matter of fact PJABBER, I did not need Durbin to tell me that GWB&co. was acting exactly like Nazi's, Soveit Gulags, and Pol Pot, and totally 100% against the intentions of our founding fathers in their indefinite detention without a trial treatment of GITMO detainees. Why should I be outraged at the truth????????
I should also say, I have no problem with the detention of possible enemy combatants, I only have a problem when they have no ability to confront their accusers and get a fair trial in a court of law for years and years and years.? Sorry PJABBER, my country right or wrong hold no sway with me.
And since we can't prosecute POL Pot or Stalin, I will settle for GWB&co first and Blago second. Since we are not yet ready to confront the more criminal behavior of GWB&co yet as a country, we will now deal with Blago bullshit now that he can't stall his trial any further.
Maybe the better Blago defense should be, if GWB can get away with it, so should I.
You could have stopped right there. Blago's credibility and the odds that anything he or his attorneys say are subtantially lower than a pile of whale shit at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
Post about it when you've got something more than navel lint and your own right wingnut wishes.
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You could have stopped right there. Blago's credibility and the odds that anything he or his attorneys say are subtantially lower than a pile of whale shit at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
Post about it when you've got something more than navel lint and your own right wingnut wishes.
I certainly give no special credibility to Blagojevich, or to any of the other Democrats in the White House knee deep in this drama. I leave it to the jury to determine who was involved in the caper and to what extent. Innocent till proven guilty, right?
For those who are flummoxed at what might have brought the Democrat Governor of Illinois down and why it might be important for us to know who participated in the alleged trading for a U.S. Senate seat (Obama previously claimed he knew nothing about the deal making for the Senate seat he previously held, nothing at all,) I am glad to provide this link to The Smoking Gun's copy of the original FBI affidavit -
Obama Senate Seat For Sale?
Feds: Blagojevich saw Obama's vacated job as a "valuable thing"
DECEMBER 9--The criminal complaint filed today against Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich contains a remarkable section detailing the Democratic politician's alleged attempt to cash in on his ability to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.
Attached to the U.S. District Court complaint is an FBI affidavit, excerpted below, alleging that Blagojevich was caught on wiretaps noting that the Senate seat "is a fucking valuable thing, you just don't give it away for nothing." He was also recorded saying that unless "I get something real good," he would appoint himself to the vacancy. "I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain. You hear what I'm saying. And if I don't get what I want and I'm not satisfied with it, then I'll just take the Senate seat myself."
According to surreptitiously recorded conversations, Blagojevich spoke with associates about the possibility of trading the Senate post for either an ambassadorship or a Cabinet post. The politician, according to the affidavit sworn by FBI Agent Daniel Cain, "analogized his situation to that of a sports agent shopping a potential free agent to various teams."
During a wiretapped November 10 call, a frustrated and financially strapped Blagojevich referred to Obama as a "motherfucker" and said that he would not appoint an ally of the President-elect to the Senate vacancy if "I don't get anything." Referring to Obama, Blagojevich exclaimed, "Fuck him. For nothing? Fuck him."
In a November 11 conversation, Blagojevich remarked that he knew Obama wanted Valerie Jarrett, a longtime confidante, to succeed him, "but they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. Fuck them."
Blagojevich, 51, and his chief of staff, John Harris, were arrested this morning on political corruption charges.
While the affidavit does not specifically name the six prospective Senate candidates discussed by Blagojevic, Harris, and the governor's aides, it appears that several are easily identified.
"Senate Candidate 1" is (Valerie) Jarrett.
"Senate Candidate 2" is Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
Emil Jones, an Illinois state legislator, is "Senate Candidate 5." [The Chicago Tribune and ABC News are reporting that "Senate Candidate 5" is Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.]
And "Senate Candidate 6" appears to be J.P. Pritzker, a wealthy Chicago businessman.
Additionally, Rahm Emanuel, the incoming White House chief of staff, is referred to in the affidavit as "President-elect Advisor." (21 pages)
That's a crock of shit. Blago has no credibility because he's already tossed out of office for corruption. If you have any proof whatsoever that anyone in the Whitehouse is "knee deep in this drama," post it on up and prove your accusation, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, as usual, you're just a right wingnut liar trying to hang your own biased bullshit on whichever "other Democrats in the White House" you're trying to smear.
Hmmm... I wonder which of all of those "Democrats in the White House" you mean.
Hmmm... You seem to have forgotten to mention that in the blatantly accusatory tone of your OP. Freaking hypocrite! :thumbsdown:
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That's a crock of shit. Blago has no credibility because he's already tossed out of office for corruption. If you have any proof whatsoever that anyone in the Whitehouse is "knee deep in this drama," post it on up and prove your accusation, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, as usual, you're just a right wingnut liar trying to hang your own biased bullshit on whichever "other Democrats in the White House" you're trying to smear.
Hmmm... I wonder which of all of those "Democrats in the White House" you mean.
Hmmm... You seem to have forgotten to mention that in the blatantly accusatory tone of your OP. Freaking hypocrite! :thumbsdown:
Gee, Harvey, where's the love?
Here I am, presenting an ever so juicy NEWS story that involves political corruption at the highest levels of American government and you dump on me.
I am not a hypocrite at all when I point out NEWS stories that publish filed LEGAL documents and then provide some explanatory context. I am kind of gathering the mass of information and putting it into a nice little pile - really, I only know what I read in the papers.
Perhaps you are upset that the characters involved are Democrat politicians and government officials at the highest levels? Well, I certainly did not accuse them of conniving to sell off a U.S. Senate seat! It was the FBI and the U.S. Attorney General that did that. And it will be a federal court jury that determines who did what, who knew what and when they knew it. Sound familiar?
Is the information quoted in the OP accusatory? Blame the authors. I had an atypically short intro where I said the case grows curiouser and curiouser. And it does.
Round and round this game will go, where it will stop nobody knows. But Blago, Obama, Durbin, Jarrett, Emanuel, Rezko, they know what they know. It will be up to the prosecutors to ask the right questions so that the jury, and, incidentally, the American public also knows.
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If you like juicey juice so well PJABBER, you can surely be unbiased and drown your self in an ocean of GOP scandals as far as I am concerned.
Get em clue, Blago is on trial for the crime of selling a political appointment, and its perfectly legal for everyone from Obama on down to any average citizen, to suggest to Blago they would like to see person X appointed. Until Blago can even demonstrate Blago got bribed by ANY of these suggesters, all Blago has is a red herring for a defense.
It might due for an opening defense, but once that flops, Blago better have something better for a defense or he will soon be in a jail cell.
And the proof is in the links you posted, as Blago got offered nothing and fumed on wiretaps because no one would offer anything for the valuable plum he was trying to illegally sell. In short, there goes that Blago defense, made totally untenable by his own words.
Unlike republirats, democrats tend to be eager to purge out their corrupt politicians.
Get em clue, Blago is on trial for the crime of selling a political appointment, and its perfectly legal for everyone from Obama on down to any average citizen, to suggest to Blago they would like to see person X appointed. Until Blago can even demonstrate Blago got bribed by ANY of these suggesters, all Blago has is a red herring for a defense.
It might due for an opening defense, but once that flops, Blago better have something better for a defense or he will soon be in a jail cell.
And the proof is in the links you posted, as Blago got offered nothing and fumed on wiretaps because no one would offer anything for the valuable plum he was trying to illegally sell. In short, there goes that Blago defense, made totally untenable by his own words.
Unlike republirats, democrats tend to be eager to purge out their corrupt politicians.
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Did someone cut off your hand or take away your copy of Playboy? :whiste:
Bullshit! Capitalizing the word, "NEWS" doesn't make UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS by a known liar like Blago them any more than that.
No, you're a hypocrite when your OP is written as a blaring accusation of corruption by Obama and/or "other Democrats in the White House" you're trying to smear without a shred of evidence other than Blago's attorney's statement, and you don't get around to trying to duck that with a lame statement like, "Innocent till proven guilty, right?" until you're busted for your hypocrisy.
Obama's name came up in that because Blago, himself, made that accusation. The FBI and the U.S. Attorney General are investigating all of the circumstances surrounding Blago's known, established corruption, as well they should. I already posted that I'd support going after Obama or any other Democrat for corruption if there's more substantial evidence than that. So far, they don't have it, and neither do you.
When I posted accusations against your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminal and war profiteers, I posted links to hard evidence, including names, dates, quotes and statutory citations, and all you did was whine and cry that I was posting one of my "macros" and try to point fingers at anyone else to divert attention from their crimes, but you were never able to refute any of the facts or the charges I posted.
If I started the thread, that kind of info would be in the OP because I'm not into posting unsubstantiated rumors and bluster. If you're going to accuse the POTUS of felonies like bribery, show enough class to support the charge, or don't post until you can. If you can't, you are the very hypocrite you deny being, your denials notwithstanding. :hmm:
"Round and round this game will go" is just your way of saying you're trying to spin up a presumption of guilt from nothing. Prove the charges, and I'll support going after whoever is guilty. Until then, as usual, you're all bullshit.
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Touchy, touchy are you? Playboy is from your generation, isn't it? I don't play around the internet porn sites myself, but that's where the action is these days, my friend!
Absolutely, but then I do find that, as a class, politicians and lawyers are both dissemblers and fast and loose with the truth. It all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.
Let's examine what the "NEWS" is, shall we? It is new information stemming from a front page-worthy politically charged criminal case involving the highest levels of government. It is published through hundreds of "news" outlets so it is known to anyone in the public that seeks to be informed about such matters. It provides definition to the positions being taken by parties of all sides and interests and it lays the groundwork for cases for both the prosecution and the defense. It is a lot more interesting that which actress got a botox treatment this week or the latest sexual peccadillo in Congress (or at least it is to me.)
The redactions show WHO Blago expects to exonerate him. That is important, because the underlying threat is that if they don't come clean themselves, and maybe if they do when forced to under oath, he will take them down with him. If they are clean they have nothing to worry about though, right?
Take a guess. Are they clean or are they not? Remember - ALL of these characters are products of the Chicago Democrat political machine. Clean or not?
I wrote a couple of innocent introductory sentences as I find the legal case and political maneuverings interesting. All the parties involved are life long Democrats and important current and prior cogs in the Chicago Democrat machine. Some have graduated to national office, some aspire to national office, so it is not just a local problem, it also a potential problem for all of us, no matter which Party we may or may not subscribe to.
Right. This is a criminal case that has not gone to trial. We do not have all the facts in hand. Obama has come out and forthrightly said that he proffered no candidate to replace himself as U.S. Senator. I will take him at his word unless he is shown to be a liar. That is the way I roll.
I have not participated in any of those threads that I can recall and I have no idea of what you are talking about. Sounds like an extreme position to me the way you describe it, so if it becomes a current topic I will consider weighing in. :awe:
Again, I am suspicious based on Obama's history and the nature of his relationships with the named parties but the case rests on evidence yet to be made public and testimony yet to be given. All we know are the charges, the contents of the FBI affidavit and some of the interrogatory that is being pursued.
I am not making accusations at all. As you yourself said, it looks like Blago is, and he is not a disinterested party.
If I am going to be held to some standard of evidence well above that expected of other posters here, I accept that as a compliment. I do seem to make much more of an effort to provide loads of reputable and diverse third party references, go to great lengths to explain my opinions and return such challenges as my time allows. I wish I had more time to engage in the debate sometimes, but I doubt you would appreciate the directions I would take. Best to leave this sleeping beast lay.
I have no truck with Blago's case, nor do I have any privy to depositions nor will I be the one doing examinations of witnesses under oath. Therefore, I won't be the one proving a case for or against. And neither will you.
Seriously, you are more than my equal in the bullshit department, should that even exist in an OPINION driven forum, because your protestations as to whatever innocence may or may not apply are simply a personal opinion based on prejudicial leanings, whereas I am making much more of an effort to deal with the facts and the course of this case before I even express an opinion other than that one must consider people innocent until proven guilty.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. At least until my interest wanes. :awe:
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Well PJABBER sez, "That's my story and I'm sticking to it. At least until my interest wanes."
But maybe your interests may revive when Blago attacks the constitutionality of GWB patriot act that allowed those possibly politically motivated wiretaps as his real defense.
Who authorized those possibly illegal wiretaps? Maybe they should go to jail instead, and as the fruit of a poisoned tree evidence , Blago should walk free.
And now that the dems are in charge, would you PJABBER approve the lot of the GOP politicians be wiretapped, to allow them to be caught for any verbal carelessness.
Think PJABBER think, is that where we want American politics to become? After all, it cuts all ways.
But maybe your interests may revive when Blago attacks the constitutionality of GWB patriot act that allowed those possibly politically motivated wiretaps as his real defense.
Who authorized those possibly illegal wiretaps? Maybe they should go to jail instead, and as the fruit of a poisoned tree evidence , Blago should walk free.
And now that the dems are in charge, would you PJABBER approve the lot of the GOP politicians be wiretapped, to allow them to be caught for any verbal carelessness.
Think PJABBER think, is that where we want American politics to become? After all, it cuts all ways.
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