Rockets from Lebanon hit Israel, sparking tension

[William Gaatjes]

Perhaps we should call this the shaman curse... For people who claim to be superior because "god speaks" through them while wielding their received power (by the people) for their own fortune.

We have many of those in history. But we can also find them within small tribes of any ethnic background all over the world. This does not mean all shamans have such a mindset, some actually mean well despite not being useful... Unless they know some grandma secrets of course...

 

[cybrsage]

The interesting thing about Judaism, is that it is an ever changing religion. It is not set in stone (well, some of it is...literally..heh). As new things come along that were not directly touched upon in the Torah, etc., rulings are made about them.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The interesting thing about Judaism, is that it is an ever changing religion. It is not set in stone (well, some of it is...literally..heh). As new things come along that were not directly touched upon in the Torah, etc., rulings are made about them.

A religion that is capable of evolving ? You better not mention that to the fundamental Christians in the US. :biggrin:

But is this not the case with all Abrahamic religions ? Is it not the case that with for example the Islam, that certain aspects of life are weighed upon by scholars to be able to deal with new unforeseen situations ? Of course the outcome is depending upon how educated the environment is and especially how educated the powers that be are.

Even in Christianity i would expect this to be the case (which it is).

In general we can say that only fundamentals follow the book exactly to the letter without being able to properly interpret the message. Hence their "faith" destroys them and others. Calling upon war to fulfill their distorted version of reality and continue the cycle of despair and hate for generations to come...

 

[cybrsage]

A religion that is capable of evolving ? You better not mention that to the fundamental Christians in the US. :biggrin:

LOL

But is this not the case with all Abrahamic religions ? Is it not the case that with for example the Islam, that certain aspects of life are weighed upon by scholars to be able to deal with new unforeseen situations ? Of course the outcome is depending upon how educated the environment is and especially how educated the powers that be are.

Even in Christianity i would expect this to be the case (which it is).

In general we can say that only fundamentals follow the book exactly to the letter without being able to properly interpret the message. Hence their "faith" destroys them and others. Calling upon war to fulfill their distorted version of reality and continue the cycle of despair and hate for generations to come...

Dunno about Islam. Christianity is loosly based on Judaism (should be tightly based upon, but Emporer Constantine did a pretty good job of changing it to his personal views), so I would expect it to be.

But what I mean is that Judaism says its rulings should be open to new interpretations as new information is gained, with the exception of the items God personally provided, of course. For example, when the RAMBAM spoke, his views overrode many previously held views and have become "gospel" (heh, see what I did there). But that could change if another great Rabbi appears.

Heck, even Jesus turned Hillel's passive statement of "Do not do to others what you do not want done to you" into the active statement of "DO to others what you want done to you".

Ever evolving as we gain better and better understanding and knowledge.

 

[Oyeve]

LOL



Dunno about Islam. Christianity is loosly based on Judaism (should be tightly based upon, but Emporer Constantine did a pretty good job of changing it to his personal views), so I would expect it to be.

But what I mean is that Judaism says its rulings should be open to new interpretations as new information is gained, with the exception of the items God personally provided, of course. For example, when the RAMBAM spoke, his views overrode many previously held views and have become "gospel" (heh, see what I did there). But that could change if another great Rabbi appears.

Heck, even Jesus turned Hillel's passive statement of "Do not do to others what you do not want done to you" into the active statement of "DO to others what you want done to you".

Ever evolving as we gain better and better understanding and knowledge.

So, if its ever changing why can't they eat a cheeseburger? Surely they that swine is cleaner than chicken by now.

 

[William Gaatjes]

So, if its ever changing why can't they eat a cheeseburger? Surely they that swine is cleaner than chicken by now.

At the moment, there is only one healthy way to eat food.
And Drpizza knows it. To grow your own cattle the healthy way and eat it. And not industrial size either...

What do we have to worry about :
Most consumer meat is saturated with unhealthy levels of steroids, possible even corticosteroids from the animal it self, high levels of antibiotics. low but sometimes worrying levels of dioxine ( tetrachlorodibenzo-p.dioxin, TCDD, tetrachlordibenzodioxin, 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, dioxine) in the animal fat and milk. In the US and some asian countries there is also rBGH.

Would Kosher or Halal treatment of meat prevent these toxins to enter the human body ? I doubt it. But i sure would like to see research upon it.

As a sidenote :
I suspect that kosher or Halal killing does not help in the sense that the amount of corticosteroids in the blood of the animal will spike at the moment the animal is cut. Even when the animal is bled dry, there should be enough to be found inside the tissue. But this is also the case when animals are being brought to the slaughter house.
There are a lot of questions that are unanswered...



I personally think this is the way :
Industrial produced meat by gen tech is the way to mass produce a healthy amount of meat without having to grow and kill an animal. The food will be more healthy , more tasty and less prone to diseases(controlled sterile environment. Meaning only bacteria are allowed that we carry naturally with us and have a good health effect upon us.) This will greatly reduce the amount of pollution and increase good karma. ^_^

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Officials in Beirut say IDF artillery response to Katyusha rockets was a violation of UNSC Res. 1701 and of international law.

Lebanon filed a complaint in the United Nations against Israel Monday for its retaliation to Katyusha rockets fired into Israel late last month, Lebanese newspaper the Daily Star reported.

In response to the four rockets fired from Lebanon, the IDF pounded the launch sites with artillery shells. The Lebanese report claimed that only one rocket was fired from Lebanon into Israel and that the IDF fired six artillery shells.

The UN complaint alleges that the IDF action was a violation of UNSC Resolution 1701, which ended the Second Lebanon War, as well as international law.

Immediately following the rocket attack the IDF filed a complaint with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), which launched an investigation into the attack. The UN force called for restraint from both sides.

“This is a serious incident in violation of UN Council Security Resolution 1701 and is clearly directed at undermining stability in the area,” a UNIFIL statement said.

An organization associated with al-Qaida claimed responsibility for firing the rockets.

The IDF said it held the Lebanese government responsible for the attacks and that it needed to take action to prevent future rocket fire. Home Front Defense Minister Matan Vilna’i said that “the Lebanese government is responsible for everything that happens in Lebanon and everything that leaves its borders.”

So Lebanon/Hezbollah feels that it is OK for rockets to be fired into Israel but Israel is not justified in returning fire.

This is the same attitude that exists in Gaza.

Officially, we can not do it, but wink, wink here are the supplies needed.:whiste:

And Israel should not respond to stop it; it would be unfair ("disproportionate".

 

[Lemon law]

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So Lebanon/Hezbollah feels that it is OK for rockets to be fired into Israel but Israel is not justified in returning fire.

This is the same attitude that exists in Gaza.

Officially, we can not do it, but wink, wink here are the supplies needed.:whiste:

And Israel should not respond to stop it; it would be unfair ("disproportionate".

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First of all, EK, your report is one sided, Lebanon has also filed a UNSC 1701 complaint against Israel for its disproportionate resultant shelling of Lebanon. And the UN has also sent a IMHO, proper message to both Lebanon and Israel not only calling for restrain on both sides, and also making it clear, its not Lebanese Hezbollah but rather Al-Quida stateless terrorists who are trying to provoke both Lebanon and Israel to attack its other.
Something clearly not in Israeli or Lebanese interests.

And to maybe toot my own horn, a Stateless terrorists tactic a I have been warning this forum for years about. And now its happening and its not just the first incidence. As stateless terrorists can easily smuggle in a few rockets into various countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and even Jordan, simply because most of the Territory is ill policed by the home country because its mostly uninhabited desert. And then peg them into Israel hoping to suck Israel into massive retaliation. And as soon as Israel starts to massively retaliate against one Arab State, the Stateless terrorists will peg rockets into Israel by sneaking into another State. And soon it will become a war of Survival, of Israel against all Arab States. Leaving the Arab States no choice either, they have to throw all State assets into attacking Israel or perish.

Is Israel justified in demanding all surrounding Arab States prevent trespass by Stateless terrorists up to no good? That is the key question.

Or we could ask if the USA could do the same given our porous borders. As we have at least 12 million mainly Hispanic illegal immigrants sneaking into the USA to find work. A situation that has persisted for many decades without grave consequences. But what has changed recently is Mexican drug gangs have corrupted and run a muck in Mexico itself. Now suppose these Mexican narco terrorists decided to take a page out of the books of Stateless terrorists in Lebanon and Egypt, smuggle in rockers into the USA, peg them into Mexico from US soil, in the hopes of provoking a shooting war between the USA and Mexico. Would the USA be any better prepared to stop them compared to Lebanon, Jordon, Syria, or Jordon?

That is the question, EK really has to think about and answer in this thread.

 

[cybrsage]

So, if its ever changing why can't they eat a cheeseburger? Surely they that swine is cleaner than chicken by now.

The food laws were directly given by God...so no changes. However, while God did name some animals as clean or unclean, He also provided the guidelines on how to determine if any specific animal is clean or unclean.


As an aside, most of the Laws explain themselves. Food laws do not. What I was taught is that God basically said "Do this because I said so" Every parent has used this line at least once...

Basically, food is the only thing we have 100% control over. If you have enough food to be able to choose what you eat, you are the one in charge of your eating. From early on, we control our own food intake...ever try to force a baby to eat when it does not want to eat? You lose, baby wins.

God is saying "Take the one thing in your life you have complete control over and give that control to me, simply because I told you to do it."

 

[cybrsage]

Is it ANY surprise the UN sides with HezzbAllah?

Notice where the HezzbAllah flag is located.

 

[EagleKeeper]

First of all, EK, your report is one sided, Lebanon has also filed a UNSC 1701 complaint against Israel for its disproportionate resultant shelling of Lebanon. And the UN has also sent a IMHO, proper message to both Lebanon and Israel not only calling for restrain on both sides, and also making it clear, its not Lebanese Hezbollah but rather Al-Quida stateless terrorists who are trying to provoke both Lebanon and Israel to attack its other.
Something clearly not in Israeli or Lebanese interests.

And to maybe toot my own horn, a Stateless terrorists tactic a I have been warning this forum for years about. And now its happening and its not just the first incidence. As stateless terrorists can easily smuggle in a few rockets into various countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and even Jordan, simply because most of the Territory is ill policed by the home country because its mostly uninhabited desert. And then peg them into Israel hoping to suck Israel into massive retaliation. And as soon as Israel starts to massively retaliate against one Arab State, the Stateless terrorists will peg rockets into Israel by sneaking into another State. And soon it will become a war of Survival, of Israel against all Arab States. Leaving the Arab States no choice either, they have to throw all State assets into attacking Israel or perish.

The UN and Lebanon are responsible for the borders and actions within them.

People are not going to transit through that area without Hezbollah knowing about it.

So they let another group fire; they are still responsible.

Same as with Gaza.

It just allows a sympathetic cover of deniability.

Why should Lebanon have any say in the Israeli response unless they want to accept responsibility of what happened.

As you say, Israel was shelling the people (terrorist) that fired against Israel.
If Lebanon/Hezbollah wants to file a protest; they also have to take responsibility for the initial fire.

They can not selectively choose.

Your example of a stateless terrorist is correct; they have no concern about who they hurt either on the attack or retaliation, nor are they interested in anything but glory/publicity. Your favorites, Hamas and Hezbollah have both demonstrated suhc multiple times.

However, your stateless terrorist is still supported by a state. And there are only a few that actively support them against Israel. they two primary being Iran and it's proxy, Syria. Then you can trickle it down to some of the Palestinians also if you chose.

Ask why there are launches from Lebanon and not Syria or Jordan or Egypt.
There is just as much empty land. However, those states are more concerned about not getting into a conflict. Hezbollah/Lebanon is not. Hezbollah can trigger something and then pass the buck to the official government. the other three neighbors can not.

 

[Lemon law]

The UN and Lebanon are responsible for the borders and actions within them.

People are not going to transit through that area without Hezbollah knowing about it.

So they let another group fire; they are still responsible.

Same as with Gaza.

It just allows a sympathetic cover of deniability.

Why should Lebanon have any say in the Israeli response unless they want to accept responsibility of what happened.

As you say, Israel was shelling the people (terrorist) that fired against Israel.
If Lebanon/Hezbollah wants to file a protest; they also have to take responsibility for the initial fire.

They can not selectively choose.

Your example of a stateless terrorist is correct; they have no concern about who they hurt either on the attack or retaliation, nor are they interested in anything but glory/publicity. Your favorites, Hamas and Hezbollah have both demonstrated suhc multiple times.

However, your stateless terrorist is still supported by a state. And there are only a few that actively support them against Israel. they two primary being Iran and it's proxy, Syria. Then you can trickle it down to some of the Palestinians also if you chose.

Ask why there are launches from Lebanon and not Syria or Jordan or Egypt.
There is just as much empty land. However, those states are more concerned about not getting into a conflict. Hezbollah/Lebanon is not. Hezbollah can trigger something and then pass the buck to the official government. the other three neighbors can not.

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Two thing to say EK, as you only gave a partial quote and ducked the key question in the rest of the quote. Namely, "Is Israel justified in demanding all surrounding Arab States prevent trespass by Stateless terrorists up to no good? That is the key question.

Or we could ask if the USA could do the same given our porous borders. As we have at least 12 million mainly Hispanic illegal immigrants sneaking into the USA to find work. A situation that has persisted for many decades without grave consequences. But what has changed recently is Mexican drug gangs have corrupted and run a muck in Mexico itself. Now suppose these Mexican narco terrorists decided to take a page out of the books of Stateless terrorists in Lebanon and Egypt, smuggle in rockers into the USA, peg them into Mexico from US soil, in the hopes of provoking a shooting war between the USA and Mexico. Would the USA be any better prepared to stop them compared to Lebanon, Jordon, Syria, or Jordon?

That is the question, EK really has to think about and answer in this thread. "

So EK ducked it instead. I ask again, when the USA can't control its own borders, how can Israel demand its neighbors have 100% perfect compliance?

Then we can talk about the mid-east nations that has the worst control of its claimed borders, namely Israel. As its totally unable to prevent its nutty settler parties and nuts from from totally destroying the property and often murdering helpless Palestinians. Worse yet, Israeli court ruling favoring the rights of all go unenforced for 10 years or more.


SO I ASK AGAIN EK, PLEASE ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ASKED.

BECAUSE THE UN AND ENTIRE WORLD WILL QUESTION THE DUBIOUS RIGHTS OF ISRAEL TO RETALIATE IN ORGIES OF COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT THAT ARE DEFINED AS WAR CRIMES.

 

[EagleKeeper]

"Is Israel justified in demanding all surrounding Arab States prevent trespass by Stateless terrorists up to no good? That is the key question.

Israel is justified due to the fact that the surrounding states choose to allow such factions to operate within their country unimpeded.

Presently Jordan is the only one that is making a serious effort to contain such trouble makers.

Egypt used to; with the new government, who knows what will happen.

Should the Palestinians and their supporters stop poking at Israel; then your horrendous crimes do not happen.
Those groups are deliberately trying to create a response that they know will inflict pain on the civilians and will accomplish nothing toward helping the civilians.
Nobody condemns them for their actions; and half the world seems to gives them a wink to continue.

 

[cybrsage]

I ask again, when the USA can't control its own borders, how can Israel demand its neighbors have 100% perfect compliance?

While I cannot answer for him, I can state my view.

If the IRA was heavily armed and routinely fired rocket attacks from Ireland into Britain, the Irish government would attempt to stop them. If they did not, the British government would retaliate against the IRA.

If the Quebequois formed a terrorist group, were heavily armed, and routinely fired rockets into the US (for supporting Canada), the Canadian government would attempt to stop them. If they did not, the US government would retaliate against the Quebequois.

If the Sami people of Sweden formed a terrorist group, were heavily armed, and routinely fired rockets into Norway or Finland, the Swedish government would attempt to stop them. If they did not, Norway or Finland would retaliate against the Sami people.

If the Lebanese people formed a terrorist groups (HezzbAllah), were heavily armed (which they are), and routinely fired rockets into Israel (which they do), the Lebanese government SHOULD attempt to stop them (they do not). Since they do not, Israel retaliates against HezzbAllah.


Basically, it is not the failure to stop 100% of attacks. As you say, that is impossible. It is the failure to even attempt to stop the attacks at all which justifies the retaliation.

 

[Lemon law]

At least cybrsage confronts the question, but IMHO, has a incomplete answer with "It is the failure to even attempt to stop the attacks at all which justifies the retaliation."

Which is not in fact true. As Egypt, Jordon, Gaza, and Lebanon, have compiled a better record of stopping such attacks than Israel itself. With Fatah in the West Bank compiling perhaps the best record. Cybrsage just chooses to ignore the record.

Worse yet, when Israel chooses to go on orgies of collective punishment, they often target the very police who try to stop stateless terrorists. After all, when stateless terrorists struck from Egypt, Israel ended up murdering Egyptian policemen on Egyptian soil who were trying to arrest the same stateless terrorists Israel complained about.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Lebanon has a better record.
There are rockets coming from there.
Syria has a better record than Lebanon who is controlled by Hezbollah and is a Syrian proxy.
Gaza lobs items all the time. That is restraint?
Egypt/Gaza allowed those terrorist into Israel in the first place.

Jordan is the only solid player in the game.

Israel does not do preemptive attacks; she retaliates against the attackers within hours or days.
The attackers like to justify their actions based on previous Israeli actions that may have happened months, years ago to someone else entirely. Very seldom is it within days. It is just an excuse for their behavior against Israel, not for those that they are in support of.


You continue to ignore the actual facts and play in your separate reality.

 

[cybrsage]

At least cybrsage confronts the question, but IMHO, has a incomplete answer with "It is the failure to even attempt to stop the attacks at all which justifies the retaliation."

Which is not in fact true. As Egypt, Jordon, Gaza, and Lebanon, have compiled a better record of stopping such attacks than Israel itself. With Fatah in the West Bank compiling perhaps the best record. Cybrsage just chooses to ignore the record.

Worse yet, when Israel chooses to go on orgies of collective punishment, they often target the very police who try to stop stateless terrorists. After all, when stateless terrorists struck from Egypt, Israel ended up murdering Egyptian policemen on Egyptian soil who were trying to arrest the same stateless terrorists Israel complained about.

Can you show this record? I have not mentioned it because I have never seen it. Egypt and Jordan, sure, they both signed peace accords with Israel.

You claim the Palestinians stop rocket attacks from Gaza? That they even attempt to do it? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

...breathe...

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA


...whew....

There is a chart found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#Casualties
Year - Rockets/Mortars
2005 - 1,255
2006 - 1,777
2007 - 2,807
2008 - 3,716
2009 - 856
2010 - 365
2011 - 368

The smallest number fired since 2005 is an average of ONE PER DAY. Can you still seriously say any Palestinian government is actively trying to stop the rockets from being fired out of Gaza?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Can you show this record? I have not mentioned it because I have never seen it. Egypt and Jordan, sure, they both signed peace accords with Israel.

You claim the Palestinians stop rocket attacks from Gaza? That they even attempt to do it? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

...breathe...

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA


...whew....

There is a chart found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#Casualties
Year - Rockets/Mortars
2005 - 1,255
2006 - 1,777
2007 - 2,807
2008 - 3,716
2009 - 856
2010 - 365
2011 - 368

The smallest number fired since 2005 is an average of ONE PER DAY. Can you still seriously say any Palestinian government is actively trying to stop the rockets from being fired out of Gaza?

But they (LL and company) will state that since Hamas took over Gaza, they have STOPPED/PREVENTED 75% compared to before.

Or that the accuracy of the rockets does not have any serious damage.
Or that no Israel citizens are being killed.

Implication is that Israel should not respond because it is an annoyance and not something serious.

 

[Lemon law]

Another Canard, by EK as he says, "Israel does not do preemptive attacks; she retaliates against the attackers within hours or days."

But MIA in the Israeli reply is that Israel seldom gets the attackers, as they instead kill innocent Palestinian men, women, and children instead in what amounts to illegal war crime orgies of collective punishment.

Nor is it winning any hearts or minds from the nation States surrounding Israel. With Lebanon being perhaps a classic but dated example. As Hezbollah was only 25% popular inside of Lebanon when they attacked Israel with their stockpile of rockets in 2005. But when Israel tried an orgy of only ill focused collective punishment against Lebanon, Hezbollah support in Lebanon tripled to 75% percent. And when the rag tag militias of Hezbollah started destroying State of the arts Israeli tanks invading Lebanon, and Israel could only advance 20 miles in a month, everyone in the Arab world realized why Hezbollah was necessary to the defense of Lebanon. But Hezbollah is a state based force, as Hezbollah continues to build up its stockpile of better Missiles without using them against Israel.

In Gaza its a similar but different situations, as Hamas is now the democratically elected leaders of Gaza and a similar State based group. But Hamas lacks any real defensive weapons better than rocks and bottles as 2008 operation cast lead proved. But the Gaza main grievance against Israel is the Israeli total economic embargo of Gaza. And its only slightly better in the West Bank. As Israeli has now gone off into hyperspastic denial of the consequences of its action.

And Israel is now reaping the consequences of new damages. As they have totally alienated their last semi-supporters in the mid-east in only the space of one year. First Turkey remains hopping mad at Israeli boarding and murder of Turkish nationals on the high seas. When Mubarak tried to dissuade Israel it helped paved the way for Mubarak's removal for being a pro-Israeli stooge. As for Jordan, Israel got on Jordan's last nerve when Israel dragged its feet on a Palestinian State. Jordan may be careful not to allow stateless terrorists to borrow its soil to attack Israel, but how much longer will that last? As for Egypt, especially if the US bribes that amount to about $5.00 per person per year continue to be the other half of an Israeli embargo of the Gazan economy? When Egypt might be better off arming Gaza with defensive and not offensive weapons,
open up trade relationships with a rising Gaza economy, and have Gaza as a friendly buffer State between Egypt and Israel?

As Israel is rapidly losing any justification that its only hated because all the Arabs are only motivated by antisemitism . As over 2/3 of the nations will vote for a Palestinian State as they realize Israel, now earns almost universal world condemnation having almost nothing to do with antisemitism.

Israel's Bozo Netanyuhu has done an excellent job of capitalizing on the political weakness of Obama, but US repuplirats are equally politically weak and more likely to throw Israel under the bus. A very temporary Netanyuhu gambit that will do little to even slow the present international fall of Israeli credibility that Israel is any positive force for mid-east stability or future peace.

As I suggest to you , EK, that Israel also has many human technological assets, that could become a positive force for mid-east peace and prosperity if Israel only rejects the stupidity of Bozo Netanyuhu and embarks on a more rational course.

 

[cybrsage]

But they (LL and company) will state that since Hamas took over Gaza, they have STOPPED/PREVENTED 75% compared to before.

Or that the accuracy of the rockets does not have any serious damage.
Or that no Israel citizens are being killed.

Implication is that Israel should not respond because it is an annoyance and not something serious.

That claim would be silly. They simply started running out of rockets and have to slowly stockpile them again.

 

[cybrsage]

But MIA in the Israeli reply is that Israel seldom gets the attackers, as they instead kill innocent Palestinian men, women, and children instead in what amounts to illegal war crime orgies of collective punishment.

Pretty big claim. Can you support it. I can easily support the opposite, but I am interested in what links you can provide.

 

[Lemon law]

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Originally Posted by Lemon law View Post
But MIA in the Israeli reply is that Israel seldom gets the attackers, as they instead kill innocent Palestinian men, women, and children instead in what amounts to illegal war crime orgies of collective punishment.

Pretty big claim. Can you support it. I can easily support the opposite, but I am interested in what links you can provide.
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Jesus Christ on a crutch Cybrsage, such Israeli retaliation attacks have been an almost constant occurrence, for 63 out of 63 years of the history of the existence of the Israeli state. And before that, it was Jewish terrorists who were the violent of all mid-east terrorists.

Meanwhile, there is a huge compilations of such incidents, pardon me if I observe that most time Israel seldom kills anyone but innocents. Or you could look at the box scores in Israel latest rapes of Lebanon and Gaza, and for every Israeli death, at least 100 innocent civilians die. As Israeli now faces credible charges of international war crimes.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When the terrorists launch from the homes of civilians; you would expect that the civilians get in the line of fire.

They do it deliberately to generate support from people like you. They have no care that civilians get hurt; they actually either hope they do to get external support drummed up or if no retaliation because of civilians - encourages them to do more of it because there is no threat.

It makes no difference what weaponry Hamas has; the fact that they condone the attacks is enough.

Of course your rape of Gaza and Lebanon were due to Israel deciding to load up and march through.
What do you think triggered the actions by Israel. Response to actions by the Terror groups. but that is to have no bearing from your POV