Robo investment apps like acorns/betterment/wealthfront

manlymatt83

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Oct 14, 2005
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Hi all,

I took a long break from investing for a few reasons (mostly that I was working on two startups, but also that I wanted to pay down some debt). I've always had a Sharebuilder account (now Capital One Investing) and have been pretty happy with it... cheap real time trades, and automatic investment programs (occur every Tuesday for dollar cost averaging) as cheap as $2-3 per trade.

I was about to pick this strategy up again, but more recently I've noticed the robo investment apps like Acorns. The fees seem astronomically reasonable ... .25% of your balance each year in lieu of trade commissions. They're investing in ETFs, which I understand to typically be better than mutual funds.

Does anyone have any thoughts on programs like these for things like retirement investing? Obviously if I want to speculate on a single stock, a traditional broker makes sense, but for averaging out over the years, I can see how these apps are attractive. Looks like I could replicate the same thing at Capital One with their portfolio builder, but that ends up being $18.95 every time you buy up to 8 ETFs. Even if I invest little by little once per month in one of their portfolios, that would still be $240/year in commissions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would have to have $100,000 invested before those fees were better than Acorns .25% per year (assuming I never stopped investing).

Any thoughts? What am I missing?
 

DaveSimmons

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Aug 12, 2001
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Have you checked out Vanguard.com? I haven't looked at this in awhile but at one point you could avoid fees by setting up automatic contributions from your checking account.

They have the best low-expense index funds, and you could just pick their Target <year> family and be done with it.

I'm against trading individual stocks, and actively managed funds mostly lose against the S&P 500 over time. With a good index fund you have low expenses, decent returns, and can set it and forget it -- buy and hold forever. Spend your time and energy doing something else instead of on thinking about trades.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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i looked at them but the didn't support the amount of customization i wanted. if you're more set-it-and-forget-it when it comes to investing then wealthfront and betterment should be fine. dunno about acorns, never checked it out before.

or you can just buy a target date retirement mutual fund at vanguard, fidelity, or schwab. all good places. i have most of my $ at VG but have found the user experience to be a little better at fidelity and schwab.
 

zCypher

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Aug 18, 2002
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The acorns thing is a neat concept, but who knows where they will end up or if it will even exist in a few years or whether they'll turn out to be reputable and trustworthy. At least for me, I can't be bothered with that.

I think a good approach to minimal cost, long term set it and forget it type investing is to set up automatic transfers from your bank to whatever brokerage. Set up whatever tax-favorable accounts you can in there (if you're in Canada, that would be RRSP and TFSA), and buy a variety of low-MER index funds and ETFs that give you good diversification to mitigate risk. It can seem daunting at first, but it's not so bad once you spend a bit of time reading up.

Check out this guy's thread on RFD, he basically did that and it turned out very well for him:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/couch-potato-investing-last-9-years-tracking-my-progress-1489988/
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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Looks like he was investing anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 of his income throughout that time period which is probably quite a bit more than most can afford and definitely puts some context on the chart.

since everyone on ATOT makes 100$k+, they could afford to do it too

if they weren't spending all their money on instant pots and vacations and pistols and M3s!
 

Imp

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I don't know... My broker is <$30/trade and I only do a few a year now. Not sure I'd trust an "app" that isn't backed by an organization worth at least a couple billion and a long history to touch my money -- if the OP's is, then okay, I haven't looked.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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I don't know... My broker is <$30/trade and I only do a few a year now. Not sure I'd trust an "app" that isn't backed by an organization worth at least a couple billion and a long history to touch my money -- if the OP's is, then okay, I haven't looked.

dang, that seems like a lot for a trade nowadays. most places are 7$ or 8$. unless you buy their funds in which case there is no fee to buy or sell.