Roberts Confirmations

[BDawg]

Fox Link

CNN Link

He rejected views he expressed in a 1981 memo as a lawyer in the Reagan White House.

In the memo, he dismissed Roe v. Wade's holding that the right to abortion is grounded in what he termed "the so-called right to privacy."

"So they weren't necessarily your views then and they certainly aren't your views now?" Specter asked.

"I think that's fair, yes," Roberts replied.

Roberts told Specter that he believes the right to privacy exists in the Constitution.

"The right to privacy is protected under the Constitution in various ways," Roberts said, citing the First and Fourth amendments as well as 80 years of precedence.

Interesting... we may have some upset fundies on our hands.

 

[Darkhawk28]

The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

Pretty much sums up the GOP, all based on Phrophecy.

Very much expected for a Religious based organization.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

quite a pickle indeed.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

How, I don't care if that decision is overturned or not. I, like Ronald Regan, believe that abortion is necessary but should not be like an ear piercing.


It seems Roberts talked for about 6 minutes (The AP says less than 10) but the "good" senators who are asking questions talked for several hours. I think we have found another source of global warming.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

How, I don't care if that decision is overturned or not. I, like Ronald Regan, believe that abortion is necessary but should not be like an ear piercing.


It seems Roberts talked for about 6 minutes (The AP says less than 10) but the "good" senators who are asking questions talked for several hours. I think we have found another source of global warming.

Yeah, I think we're pretty screwed when Ted Kennedy's head finally blows up.

Seriously though, I like that he did state that he believes there is a right to privacy.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

Pretty much sums up the GOP, all based on Phrophecy.

Very much expected for a Religious based organization.

Hrm, then what will happen when black people finally realize that "OMG THEY WILL BRING BACK JIM CROWE LAWS" is total BS?

I mean, black people are told that if a Republican gets into office the sky is going to fall every single election. Yet amazingly it never does.

If blacks stop giving their vote away for free the Democrats could also find themselves in trouble

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Hrm, then what will happen when black people finally realize that "OMG THEY WILL BRING BACK JIM CROWE LAWS" is total BS?

I mean, black people are told that if a Republican gets into office the sky is going to fall every single election. Yet amazingly it never does.

If blacks stop giving their vote away for free the Democrats could also find themselves in trouble

There was also a big switch in the 60s because of this little thing the government did......

There are several examples of stupidity when it comes to partisanship.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

It cuts both way. Niether party wants the abortion issue to ever be less than on the forefront of political debate. It's the deal maker for all to many voters, democrat and republican.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

Pretty much sums up the GOP, all based on Phrophecy.

Very much expected for a Religious based organization.

Hrm, then what will happen when black people finally realize that "OMG THEY WILL BRING BACK JIM CROWE LAWS" is total BS?

I mean, black people are told that if a Republican gets into office the sky is going to fall every single election. Yet amazingly it never does.

If blacks stop giving their vote away for free the Democrats could also find themselves in trouble

Wait, you mean the Jim Crowe laws that Georgia's not trying to bring back?

And this time, the sky didn't fall for black people, but the lake sure rose.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Roberts confirmation is a non-issue.
He has the support to get in, and the Dems cannot put up an effective block because they favor him as well.

They will play their glory in the spotlight questoning, and confirm him with little resistance, sent it to the Senate Floor & he'll be in.

Pull the handle, get it over with and move on to real issues.

 

[joshw10]

I watched Sen. Kohl's questioning of Roberts, and my opinion of Roberts is definitely very positive. I think he will be easily confirmed with 90 votes or more. Unless Bush has big plans and Roberts has been coached to answer the questions in a way to simply breeze through the confirmation process, I think he will be a good neutral member of the court. In any case, it will probably be years before we know.

 

[Deudalus]

Wait, you mean the Jim Crowe laws that Georgia's not trying to bring back?

And this time, the sky didn't fall for black people, but the lake sure rose.

Are you saying that requiring people to carry an ID that costs 10 dollars and is valid for 5 years is the same as a poll tax?

Do you not care about voter fraud? How are we supposed to know who any of these people are if they don't have a picture ID?

As far as the lake rising, please don't pretend to know what is going on down there. That's my home city. If you want to have a debate on why New Orleans went underwater then fine, but methinks your arm chair quarterbacking won't hold up against a long time resident of New Orleans.

 

[conjur]

Damn, this thread sure got derailed quickly. :roll:

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

My opinion of Roberts is definitely a favorable one. He doesn't appear to be a bomb-thrower of any type.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Wait, you mean the Jim Crowe laws that Georgia's not trying to bring back?

And this time, the sky didn't fall for black people, but the lake sure rose.

Are you saying that requiring people to carry an ID that costs 10 dollars and is valid for 5 years is the same as a poll tax?

Do you not care about voter fraud? How are we supposed to know who any of these people are if they don't have a picture ID?

As far as the lake rising, please don't pretend to know what is going on down there. That's my home city. If you want to have a debate on why New Orleans went underwater then fine, but methinks your arm chair quarterbacking won't hold up against a long time resident of New Orleans.

I'm saying that there should not be any monetary cost on voting. My state sends me a voter registration card for free, which I receive when I register to vote, for free. This is how it should be. The more you charge people for the right to vote, the fewer people vote, which is entirely the point.

So why did the city go underwater? I thought there was a levee break. Then again, what do I know. I'm not from NO.

And no matter where you're from, the response from the federal government was inadequate, which was the point of my comment. Dubya has even admitted it.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The GOP has painted themselves in a corner with Roe v. Wade.

If Roe v. Wade gets overturned, then they'll most likely lose a large number of voters that went Republican strictly for the abortion issue. Once that's gone, they'll leave.

On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade doesn't get overturned, then a large number of voters will feel duped and blame Republicans since they've had all branches of government wrapped up (including 2 new SC justices) with no results.

On even another hand, the GOP needs R v. W to exist as a tool for fundraising and for suring up their base.

What a pickle.

Guess I fail to see why if Roe v Wade gets overturned why the republicans lose votes. What magically changes peoples minds to switch to a democrat?

I would think if Roe v Wade gets overturned the people who vote republican strictly because of that issue when they would normally vote democrat would vote for republicans still because now it becomes an issue of writing an anti-abortion law.

Cant pass a law outlawing abortion if a democrat is in office.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Wait, you mean the Jim Crowe laws that Georgia's not trying to bring back?

And this time, the sky didn't fall for black people, but the lake sure rose.

Are you saying that requiring people to carry an ID that costs 10 dollars and is valid for 5 years is the same as a poll tax?

Do you not care about voter fraud? How are we supposed to know who any of these people are if they don't have a picture ID?

As far as the lake rising, please don't pretend to know what is going on down there. That's my home city. If you want to have a debate on why New Orleans went underwater then fine, but methinks your arm chair quarterbacking won't hold up against a long time resident of New Orleans.

I'm saying that there should not be any monetary cost on voting. My state sends me a voter registration card for free, which I receive when I register to vote, for free. This is how it should be. The more you charge people for the right to vote, the fewer people vote, which is entirely the point.

So why did the city go underwater? I thought there was a levee break. Then again, what do I know. I'm not from NO.

And no matter where you're from, the response from the federal government was inadequate, which was the point of my comment. Dubya has even admitted it.

If you feel that strongly find a poor family and give them the 4 bucks a year they need to purchase a valid ID.

 

[Deudalus]

I'm saying that there should not be any monetary cost on voting. My state sends me a voter registration card for free, which I receive when I register to vote, for free. This is how it should be. The more you charge people for the right to vote, the fewer people vote, which is entirely the point.

So what happens when people lose their voter registration cards?

Is it not a fact that I could simply show up to wherever you vote with your card that I have stolen and cast your vote for you? Which is more important, making sure votes are accurate and everyone can cast their own vote or making sure it is totally free?

You realize that 10 dollars every 5 years isn't even 1 cent per day right?

So why did the city go underwater? I thought there was a levee break. Then again, what do I know. I'm not from NO.

So you don't even know why the city went under water but you do jump at the chance to call it racist? That's not surprising unfortunately. Afterall it is far easier to simply blame racism, the feds, or some other higher up rather than look at the real problems that caused the catastrophe.

The city went underwater for many many reasons and it isn't all together anyone's fault.

The army corp of engineers which is in charge of the levees has wasted a ton of money on silly projects. The levee was only built to withstand a category 3, and that was 40 years ago when the Louisiana wetlands would also help shelter N.O. from a storm.

State and local Congress spent tons of money on credits for casinos, renovations for convention centers, and tons of other things to try to bring in more tourism rather than worry about a hurricane which might never come.

Governor Blanco has been an idiot throughout.

Mayor Nagin has done as good of a job as possible in the aftermath, but before the storm he did make mistakes.

FEMA obviously wasn't prepared for the problem, but then again I don't think anyone could prepare to deal with that much devestation that 200,000 people were warned about yet tried to stick around for anyways.

I could go on and on.

And no matter where you're from, the response from the federal government was inadequate, which was the point of my comment. Dubya has even admitted it.

Sure he said that, which is true.

But when you wait for the federal government to solve problems you should be solving yourselves, you wind up with these shortcomings.

It isn't the feds job to make sure the Corp of Engineers uses the money to protect N.O. rather than waste it. It is the feds job to make sure the Corp has the money they request.
It isn't the feds job to evacuate the poor of N.O. before the storm hits rather than carting them off to the Superdome with no food, water, or medical supplies either.

You can't simply point your finger at the top when all of these problems happen, that is my point.

 

[Kanalua]

If RvW was overturned...how many states would ban abortion? Utah? Any other states?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
If RvW was overturned...how many states would ban abortion? Utah? Any other states?

Not sure how many would outright ban it but many would put restrictions on it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

I mean, black people are told that if a Republican gets into office the sky is going to fall every single election. Yet amazingly it never does.

If blacks stop giving their vote away for free the Democrats could also find themselves in
trouble

That would be pretty stupid since the Republicans enjoy destroying the economic ladders of upward mobility that the blacks need in addition to allowing millions of Mexicans to enter the country, decreasing wages for low wage jobs. The Republicans seem to enjoy watching formerly middle class jobs head to India and China, and they love foreigners displacing Americans from middle class jobs on H-1B and L-1 work visas. The Democrats aren't really any better in these areas, but it's hard to say that the Republicans are a friend of the blacks (or middle class America, for that matter).

Sadly, the blacks, like the Democrats, don't recognize what's in their own economic self interest, so they aren't rallying against immigration, foreign work visas, and outsourcing. Sad. To some extent, yes, the sky is falling for the entire lower class and middle class thanks in good part to the Republicans (Democrats too).

 

[Kanalua]

I don't see how overtrning RvW would change much...states would still have the option of allowing it, states would just not be FORCED to allow it. I think Alaska and Hawaii are safe (pro-abortion) so if you lived anywhere else int eh US, you could easily get an abortion if your state outlawed the practice (ie - go to a state close by that allows it). I would assume Utah (maybe Idaho) would ban abortion...and they are surrounded by states that would allow (Nevada, Colorado, etc)...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Guess I fail to see why if Roe v Wade gets overturned why the republicans lose votes. What magically changes peoples minds to switch to a democrat?

They could lose "moderate conservatives"; they could lose people who support the Republicans for their economic policies but despise the religious nonsense. For example, they could lose the secular person or the atheist who supports capitalism and who figures that the Republicans won't be able to make abortion illegal and thus holds his nose and votes Republican.

I wouldn't be surprised if Roberts didn't overturn Roe v. Wade but rather upheld barriers to people's getting abortions. That one poster had an interesting point, to an extent the Republicans might need the abortion issue. Also, if abortion becomes illegal, it could then become a huge issue, rallying people to the side of the Democrats and chasing away moderate conservatives. (The majority of the religious mystics who oppose abortion already vote Republican anyway, so it's not like lots of Democrats would change allegiance.)

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Kanalua
If RvW was overturned...how many states would ban abortion? Utah? Any other states?

Not sure how many would outright ban it but many would put restrictions on it.

I don't think there would be an outright ban, but it would be similar to the way it was before.