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Roberts and Alito Misled Us

BBond

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So this is what the citizens of the USA wanted when they "elected" bush to a second term that gave him the "opportunity" to appoint two or more judges to the Supreme Court -- a Supreme Court run by "ACTIVIST JUDGES" with a specific agenda that just happens to match the agenda of a radical known as george w. bush.

And in order to accomplish their clandestine goal...Roberts and Alito Misled Us

By Edward M. Kennedy
Sunday, July 30, 2006; Page B01

I have had the honor of serving on the Senate Judiciary Committee for 43 years, during which I've participated in confirmation hearings for all the justices who now sit on the Supreme Court. Over that time, my colleagues and I have asked probing questions and listened attentively to substantive responses. Because we were able to learn a great deal about the nominees from those hearings, the Senate has rarely voted along party lines. I voted, for example, for three of President Ronald Reagan's five Supreme Court nominees.

Of course, an examination of a nominee's views may cause the Senate to withhold its consent. That is what happened in 1795 to John Rutledge, who was given a temporary commission as chief justice by President George Washington (while Congress was in recess) and was then rejected by the Senate several months later. In 1970, President Richard M. Nixon's nomination of G. Harrold Carswell was derailed when the Senate learned of his segregationist past. At that time, I explained that "the Constitution makes clear that we are not supposed to be a rubber stamp for White House selections." That was also the Senate's view in 1987, when its rejection of Robert H. Bork's extreme views led to the unanimous confirmation of the more moderate Anthony M. Kennedy. The Senate's constitutional role has helped keep the court in the mainstream of legal thought.

But the careful, bipartisan process of years past -- like so many checks and balances rooted in our Constitution -- has been badly broken by the current Bush administration. The result has been the confirmation of two justices, John G. Roberts Jr. and Samuel A. Alito Jr., whose voting record on the court reflects not the neutral, modest judicial philosophy they promised the Judiciary Committee, but an activist's embrace of the administration's political and ideological agenda.

Now that the votes are in from their first term, we can see plainly the agenda that Roberts and Alito sought to conceal from the committee. Our new justices consistently voted to erode civil liberties, decrease the rights of minorities and limit environmental protections. At the same time, they voted to expand the power of the president, reduce restrictions on abusive police tactics and approve federal intrusion into issues traditionally governed by state law.

The confirmation process became broken because the Bush administration learned the wrong lesson from the failed Bork nomination and decided it could still nominate extremists as long as their views were hidden. To that end, it insisted that the Senate confine its inquiry largely to its nominees' personal qualities.

The administration's tactics succeeded in turning the confirmation hearings for Roberts and Alito into a sham. Many Republican senators used their time to praise, rather than probe, the nominees. Coached by the administration, the nominees declined to answer critical questions. When pressed on issues such as civil rights and executive power, Roberts and Alito responded with earnest assurances that they would not bring an ideological agenda to the bench.

After confirmation, we saw an entirely different Roberts and Alito -- both partisans ready and willing to tilt the court away from the mainstream. They voted together in 91 percent of all cases and 88 percent of non-unanimous cases -- more than any other two justices.

A few examples help illustrate how the confirmation process failed the American people. During Roberts's hearing, I asked him about his statement that a key part of the Voting Rights Act constitutes one of "the most intrusive interferences imaginable by federal courts into state and local processes." In response, he suggested that his words were nothing more than an "effort to articulate the views of the administration . . . for which I worked 23 years ago."

Today -- too late -- it is clear that Roberts's personal view is the same as it was 23 years ago. In League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry , the Supreme Court held that Texas's 2003 redistricting plan violated the Voting Rights Act by protecting a Republican legislator against a growing Latino population. Roberts reached a different view, concluding that the courts should not have been involved and that it "is a sordid business, this divvying us up by race."

The same Roberts who wished the federal government would leave Texas alone was unconcerned by federal intrusion into Oregon's approach to the issue of assisted suicide. In Gonzales v. Oregon , a majority of the Supreme Court held that the Justice Department lacked the power to undermine Oregon's Death With Dignity Act. However, Roberts joined a startling dissent by Justice Antonin Scalia, stating that the administration's actions were "unquestionably permissible" because the federal government can use the Constitution's commerce clause powers "for the purpose of protecting public morality."

It is difficult to believe that a neutral judicial philosophy explains Roberts's very different views in these two cases. He memorably claimed during the confirmation process that he wanted only to be a diligent umpire, calling balls and strikes without regard to what team was at bat. But it turns out that our new umpires have a keen interest in who wins and who loses.

One clear loser is the environment. In Rapanos v. United States , the court was asked to interpret the definition of wetlands under the Clean Water Act. Four justices deferred to the Army Corps of Engineers' expertise in implementing the statute. But Roberts and Alito joined an opinion that describes wetlands as "transitory puddles" and criticizes their colleagues for "giving that agency more deference than reason permits." For Roberts and Alito, protecting the environment -- unlike "protecting public morality" -- is clearly not a top priority.

Perhaps the biggest winner is the president himself. During Alito's hearing, I asked him about a 1985 job application in which he stated that he believed "very strongly in the supremacy of the elected branches of government." He backpedaled, claiming: "I certainly didn't mean that literally at the time, and I wouldn't say that today."

But he is willing to say it now. In the very recent case of Hamdan v. Rumsfeld , Alito signed on to a dissent by Justice Clarence Thomas that asserts a judicial "duty to accept the Executive's judgment in matters of military operations and foreign affairs" as grounds for allowing the administration to use military commissions of its own design to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

This is part of a pattern. When he was in the Reagan Justice Department, Alito wrote in support of signing statements, through which the president has claimed to limit the scope of measures passed by Congress -- including the ban on torture. When questioned about the legal status of such statements, he said it was an open issue that still needed to be "explored and resolved" by the court. But Alito joined a Scalia dissent in the Hamdan case that endorsed the use of signing statements without providing any analysis or legal support.

Similarly, Alito had a pattern of ruling against individuals in Fourth Amendment cases -- including a case involving the strip-search of a 10-year-old girl. When questioned, he insisted that one of the judiciary's most important roles "is to stand up and defend the rights of people when they are violated." But Alito cast the deciding vote in Hudson v. Michigan , in which the court decided -- contrary to almost a century of precedent -- that evidence gathered during an unconstitutional search of a suspect's home could be used to convict him.

In the term that begins in October, the court will decide major cases on abortion, affirmative action and the Clean Air Act. Roberts and Alito may well cast the deciding votes. If their first term is any indication, their agenda will be exactly what many of us feared -- and nothing like the judicial modesty they promised during their hearings.

At a time when great legal issues are being decided by the slimmest of margins, we cannot afford to learn nominees' views only after they have obtained lifetime tenure on our highest court. Instead, the Judiciary Committee, the Senate and the American Bar Association need to work together to return to an honest confirmation process. I support reform despite my belief that the next justice will be nominated by a Democratic president and be sent to a Democratic Senate for confirmation.

The discussion should start with a few truths. First, any qualified nominee to the Supreme Court will have spent many years thinking about legal issues. We should require that nominees share that thinking with the Judiciary Committee, and not pretend that such candor is tantamount to prejudging specific cases. In particular, the Senate should have the same access to the nominee's writings as the administration. Second, the Judiciary Committee will need to reorganize the way it asks questions. An in-depth inquiry will require something more than short rounds of questions that pass from senator to senator. Third, we need to remember what this process is all about. It is good to hear that a nominee has a loving family, faithful friends and a sense of humor. It is important to know that nominees possess the intellect, life experience and discipline that make a good judge. But it is essential that we learn enough of their legal views to be certain that they will make good on the simple promise etched in marble outside the Supreme Court: "Equal Justice Under Law."
 
A knee jerk article from Edward Kennedy...during a crucial election year...surely this is an unbiased perspective on Roberts and Alito.

If a Democrat was in office, and appointed liberal leaning judges, I doubt you would hear much of an uproar from Kennedy...but instead, I am sure a mouthpiece of the far right would be making arguments strikingly familiar to the points raised by Kennedy.

Interesting that when one party is not in power, they make arguments for fair, balanced and bi-partisan rules...but then those rules don't apply when they take office.

So essentially, the OP, and this article, say absolutely nothing.
 
I still support Roberts as a reasonable choice for the SC, though he's certainly more to the right of thigns than I am personally.

Alito on the SC is a travesty, and always will be.
 
I have often asked myself and others why any opinion produced by the SCOTUS isn't 9-0. How can there be split decisions on fundamental issues that are plan and simple most of the time. The Court should be able to come to agreement on all issues.. If Warren could get the polar minds to agree in '54 on Segregated Schools they can handle much easier cases today.
Is abortion a privacy issue under the 14th or will they look to the 14th and not find abortion mentioned and proclaim the Federal Government can regulate States rights issues...
I think the 14th should be repealed and replaced with specific language that restricts the Federal Government like the Constitution was meant to do.. instead of allowing the Executive cart blanche via judicial nominations.
 
I voted for Bush because he would be able to appoint multiple USSC justices during his term and recognized that his appointees would likely uphold a socially conservative agenda. He's screwed up most other things, but in this matter he's done pretty well by me.
 
But should the SCOTUS not simply look to the Constitution with out regard to their own viewpoint or that of the nominator? Is that not what Kennedy is saying...

If one votes for the President cuz of who he will nominate then the division of government falls down.. It is all about Constitutionality not from some personal pov but from the dang document and the decisions before.
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
But should the SCOTUS not simply look to the Constitution with out regard to their own viewpoint or that of the nominator? Is that not what Kennedy is saying...

If one votes for the President cuz of who he will nominate then the division of government falls down.. It is all about Constitutionality not from some personal pov but from the dang document and the decisions before.
Yes but, having read the Constitution and learned something of the history of its various amendments, I've come to the conclusion that it has been bastardized in pursuit of a socially liberal agenda. What's 'Constitutional', therefore, is in the eye of the guy with the pen in the USSC, not in the mind of who wrote the amendment in the first place. Accordingly, it is my civic duty to determine for myself what is 'Constitutional' and vote for someone who thinks in a like manner.

And, for the record, I detest Bush's moves towards decreasing Constitutional freedoms with respect to search, seizure, and wrongful imprisonment (e.g. the 'Patriot' Act). I do not consider such things a part of my 'socially conservative' agenda.
 
My point is that the initial premise was to insure freedom from Central government. That to me is the most important thing a citizen can have. What you suggest can swing the other way and it will but shouldn't swing at all..

SCOTUS lags society by years and decades but society should not change at all on Freedom issues... nor should the court.. cases of freedom are decided often and based on how some one feels about an issue. That cannot be the function of a court....

They can interpret new issues based on reasoning the founding fathers writings and all that and should decide based on what is at hand... not cuz they are liberal or conservative... remember the Constitution used to restrict the Federal Government then the 14th....
I argue we should amend the Constitution to reflect society... it is hard to do.. ERA as an example but that is better than willy nilly agenda decisions... imo
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: LunarRay
But should the SCOTUS not simply look to the Constitution with out regard to their own viewpoint or that of the nominator? Is that not what Kennedy is saying...

If one votes for the President cuz of who he will nominate then the division of government falls down.. It is all about Constitutionality not from some personal pov but from the dang document and the decisions before.
Yes but, having read the Constitution and learned something of the history of its various amendments, I've come to the conclusion that it has been bastardized in pursuit of a socially liberal agenda. What's 'Constitutional', therefore, is in the eye of the guy with the pen in the USSC, not in the mind of who wrote the amendment in the first place. Accordingly, it is my civic duty to determine for myself what is 'Constitutional' and vote for someone who thinks in a like manner.

And, for the record, I detest Bush's moves towards decreasing Constitutional freedoms with respect to search, seizure, and wrongful imprisonment (e.g. the 'Patriot' Act). I do not consider such things a part of my 'socially conservative' agenda.

So you "conservatives" who positively RAIL against "activist judges" are only railing against "liberal" activist judges? Your "conservative" activist judges are just fine, eh?

I have to let you in on a little secret. This guy you voted for, bush, he isn't really a "conservative" and the judges he appointed aren't following a "conservative" agenda, they're following a fascist agenda.

😉
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
A knee jerk article from Edward Kennedy...during a crucial election year...surely this is an unbiased perspective on Roberts and Alito.

If a Democrat was in office, and appointed liberal leaning judges, I doubt you would hear much of an uproar from Kennedy...but instead, I am sure a mouthpiece of the far right would be making arguments strikingly familiar to the points raised by Kennedy.

Interesting that when one party is not in power, they make arguments for fair, balanced and bi-partisan rules...but then those rules don't apply when they take office.

So essentially, the OP, and this article, say absolutely nothing.

A knee jerk reaction from Starbuck. What a surprise.

In case you didn't bother to read the article, Kennedy voted FOR three of Reagan's appointments. He isn't against a diverse court, he's against "activist judges" who sit in front of the Judiciary Committee and hide their agenda to gain confirmation and achieve their agenda.

Pot, meet kettle.

 
BBond...
Something familiar with your writing that I can't put a finger on... from a few years ago...

But, I agree with your post above... it is now ok to 'Rail' against nominations as activist only if it is against one's political belief... SCOTUS can't be political it just can't...


EDIT... AH... I remember now.. a friend who made so many good points it drove some folks to drink.. heheheh his name was Bob... something..
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
My point is that the initial premise was to insure freedom from Central government. That to me is the most important thing a citizen can have. What you suggest can swing the other way and it will but shouldn't swing at all..
I think that the 'sacredness' we give to the writings of the founding fathers is silly. We treat them as saints when they were just men doing their best. Accordingly, we should judge their writings not as a literal word-for-word script for how the country should be run, but based on the ideas contained in their writings. Literal translations are how loopholes and similar problems arise, whereas if one sticks with ideas then a law is much more foolproof. Instead of trending in this direction, we've gone the complete opposite, tending towards so much literal law that the law is out of reach of the common man.
SCOTUS lags society by years and decades but society should not change at all on Freedom issues... nor should the court.. cases of freedom are decided often and based on how some one feels about an issue. That cannot be the function of a court....

They can interpret new issues based on reasoning the founding fathers writings and all that and should decide based on what is at hand... not cuz they are liberal or conservative... remember the Constitution used to restrict the Federal Government then the 14th....
I argue we should amend the Constitution to reflect society... it is hard to do.. ERA as an example but that is better than willy nilly agenda decisions... imo
I do not believe that the court should mimic society at all. The primary role of the courts (at least recently) has been to set social law. These issues are ethical in nature and require careful analysis to arrive at any worthwhile conclusion. However, once a conclusion has been reached (if reached correctly through solely logical paths), then the conclusion is right and just. What is 'right' in a logical sense is independent of time, though what society judges to be 'right' is very much dependent on time.

The abortion debate is a classic case for both of my arguments above. Clearly, as judged from the historical perspective of the 14th amendment, the literal translation of a citizen being anyone 'born' excluding those who are not yet born is terribly flawed. It is fairly obvious from a cursory historical analysis that the justices at the time took it upon themselves to overturn the spirit of the 14th amendment, which was intended solely for the bestowing of rights to a broader base, not the restriction of rights. Further, whether abortion is right or wrong in a moral sense is independent of what society thinks or what year it is. The only impact that time might have on this debate is our understanding of the development process and the natural progression of logical discourse on the subject. Even these do not affect what is truly right or wrong, only our perception of what is right or wrong.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
So you "conservatives" who positively RAIL against "activist judges" are only railing against "liberal" activist judges? Your "conservative" activist judges are just fine, eh?

Conservation of the constitution sounds fine to me.

When you bastardize it for social means, you open the door to do far worse things than the Patriot Act. Future authoritarians are going to make Bush look like a kitten. Judges who re-write the constitution to be the will of the majority pave the way for them.
 
I don't listen to anything Ted Kennedy says on on the confirmation process.

this the same guy who questioned Rehnquist about purchasing a home with which prohibited sales to jews when he knew or should've known such agreements are voided nearly 40 years before.

heck I think the whole confirmation process is a bs anyhow. other than bork who spoke his mind, pretty much all of them either state they'll adhere to precedent or say its an issue that can come before the court.

the rest of the its the members of the judiciary committee jacking off the nominee and making themselves look tough and engaging to the tv cameras.

Especially in recent years, its primary hinders on the issue of abortion. Next it'll probably about gay marriage.
 
The same Roberts who wished the federal government would leave Texas alone was unconcerned by federal intrusion into Oregon's approach to the issue of assisted suicide. In Gonzales v. Oregon , a majority of the Supreme Court held that the Justice Department lacked the power to undermine Oregon's Death With Dignity Act. However, Roberts joined a startling dissent by Justice Antonin Scalia, stating that the administration's actions were "unquestionably permissible" because the federal government can use the Constitution's commerce clause powers "for the purpose of protecting public morality."

Activist judges!!!
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: LunarRay
My point is that the initial premise was to insure freedom from Central government. That to me is the most important thing a citizen can have. What you suggest can swing the other way and it will but shouldn't swing at all..
I think that the 'sacredness' we give to the writings of the founding fathers is silly. We treat them as saints when they were just men doing their best. Accordingly, we should judge their writings not as a literal word-for-word script for how the country should be run, but based on the ideas contained in their writings. Literal translations are how loopholes and similar problems arise, whereas if one sticks with ideas then a law is much more foolproof. Instead of trending in this direction, we've gone the complete opposite, tending towards so much literal law that the law is out of reach of the common man.
SCOTUS lags society by years and decades but society should not change at all on Freedom issues... nor should the court.. cases of freedom are decided often and based on how some one feels about an issue. That cannot be the function of a court....

They can interpret new issues based on reasoning the founding fathers writings and all that and should decide based on what is at hand... not cuz they are liberal or conservative... remember the Constitution used to restrict the Federal Government then the 14th....
I argue we should amend the Constitution to reflect society... it is hard to do.. ERA as an example but that is better than willy nilly agenda decisions... imo
I do not believe that the court should mimic society at all. The primary role of the courts (at least recently) has been to set social law. These issues are ethical in nature and require careful analysis to arrive at any worthwhile conclusion. However, once a conclusion has been reached (if reached correctly through solely logical paths), then the conclusion is right and just. What is 'right' in a logical sense is independent of time, though what society judges to be 'right' is very much dependent on time.

The abortion debate is a classic case for both of my arguments above. Clearly, as judged from the historical perspective of the 14th amendment, the literal translation of a citizen being anyone 'born' excluding those who are not yet born is terribly flawed. It is fairly obvious from a cursory historical analysis that the justices at the time took it upon themselves to overturn the spirit of the 14th amendment, which was intended solely for the bestowing of rights to a broader base, not the restriction of rights. Further, whether abortion is right or wrong in a moral sense is independent of what society thinks or what year it is. The only impact that time might have on this debate is our understanding of the development process and the natural progression of logical discourse on the subject. Even these do not affect what is truly right or wrong, only our perception of what is right or wrong.

The Document is written in english as are the writings that are used to determine intent. The Constitution is all that exists between our freedom to exist the way we wish and the majority at the time. That is the entire point of freedom... a constant regardless of who is in power or who has the most votes... your belief would seek to alter freedom to exclude belief your 'side' don't like... I defend your belief and mine and everyone else...

The court should not set anything but, rather, see if the Governments have passed law which is not in keeping with the Constitution and render an opinion..

The 14th restricts the States from all sorts of stuff not articulated in the 14th itself but construed one way or another and not always consistently.. that is another of my points.. repeal it and rewrite it to obviate that kind of judicial law making.. then amend the document when ever.. let the people decide.. as you say society.. who from time to time can do that.. like booze etc..
 
Originally posted by: BBond
So this is what the citizens of the USA wanted when they "elected" bush to a second term that gave him the "opportunity" to appoint two or more judges to the Supreme Court -- a Supreme Court run by "ACTIVIST JUDGES" with a specific agenda that just happens to match the agenda of a radical known as george w. bush.

And in order to accomplish their clandestine goal...Roberts and Alito Misled Us

By Edward M. Kennedy
Sunday, July 30, 2006; Page B01

The administration's tactics succeeded in turning the confirmation hearings for Roberts and Alito into a sham. Many Republican senators used their time to praise, rather than probe, the nominees.

Wasn't it Kennedy who babbled on for 2-3 minutes during one of the hearings. After stopping for some time to wait for an answer, he soon realized that an answer wasn't coming because he didn't even ask a question . Seems like he was using his time to berate the nominee / grandstand rather then probe him.


After confirmation, we saw an entirely different Roberts and Alito -- both partisans ready and willing to tilt the court away from the mainstream. They voted together in 91 percent of all cases and 88 percent of non-unanimous cases -- more than any other two justices.

I'd be interested in seeing the vote correlations of other Justices as well.

Similarly, Alito had a pattern of ruling against individuals in Fourth Amendment cases -- including a case involving the strip-search of a 10-year-old girl. When questioned, he insisted that one of the judiciary's most important roles "is to stand up and defend the rights of people when they are violated." But Alito cast the deciding vote in Hudson v. Michigan , in which the court decided -- contrary to almost a century of precedent -- that evidence gathered during an unconstitutional search of a suspect's home could be used to convict him.

Give me a break. The police had a properly executed warrant, knocked on the door, but went in after 5 seconds, instead of the generally accepted 20-30 seconds. They found 25 grams of crack on the guy, 50+ baggies of crack in his house, and a loaded revolver in the seat he was sitting in. Kennedy wants this guy on the street because the police didn't give him a chance to flush it?

I have to agree with Scalia on this one who says that costs of excluding all evidence due to the violation of the knock and announce rule outweigh it's benefits. They even go on to distinguish the difference between evidence found during a warrantless search and once in which the knock and announce rule is broken.

[ex]clusion of the evidence obtained by a warrantless search vindicates [the] entitlement [of citizens to shield their persons, houses, papers, and effects, from the government?s scrutiny]. The interests protected by the knock-and-announce requirement are quite different?and do not include the shielding of potential evidence from the government?s eyes.

 
Wetech,
We each have an expectation of privacy in our own home unless we've issued a 4th amendment waiver etc.
The warrant may have listed all the drugs and guns found and may have been properly generated, signed but, unless there was an exigent circumstance they didn't deliver it properly... They had to reasonably know that the guy was flushing the stuff and IMO that was a reasonable thing to assume but did it meet the exigent test? maybe
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Wetech,
We each have an expectation of privacy in our own home unless we've issued a 4th amendment waiver etc.
The warrant may have listed all the drugs and guns found and may have been properly generated, signed but, unless there was an exigent circumstance they didn't deliver it properly... They had to reasonably know that the guy was flushing the stuff and IMO that was a reasonable thing to assume but did it meet the exigent test? maybe

I completely agree that we all have an expectation of privacy. But at the same time, I would tend to trust the judgement of the police officer. The officer (a 15 veteran) said that he'd been shot at numerous times when executing drug-related warrants and had feared for his safety, giving this as the reason for the short wait time.
 
Sorry fatty teddy kennedy is upset that he or his longfaced pal aren't picking judges and spreading fud and rhetoric.

Clinton unloaded the turds on the Supreme Court before Bush could do anything anyway.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
So this is what the citizens of the USA wanted when they "elected" bush to a second term that gave him the "opportunity" to appoint two or more judges to the Supreme Court -- a Supreme Court run by "ACTIVIST JUDGES" with a specific agenda that just happens to match the agenda of a radical known as george w. bush.

All Hail the Republican Police State

Enjoy
 
Sorry guys, but this isn't news.. this is obvious stuff... when you elect a "conservative" president, you get "conservative" judges... the process to get them into the SC is all bs.. this shouldn't surprise you. Let the U.S. suffer for the mistakes for the people.. its the only way they'll learn.. besides, the rest of the civilized world is progressing.. if the U.S. lags behind, it won't be the end of the world.. provided you have money of course...

And please, don't feed zentroll...
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
The Document is written in english as are the writings that are used to determine intent. The Constitution is all that exists between our freedom to exist the way we wish and the majority at the time. That is the entire point of freedom... a constant regardless of who is in power or who has the most votes... your belief would seek to alter freedom to exclude belief your 'side' don't like... I defend your belief and mine and everyone else...

The court should not set anything but, rather, see if the Governments have passed law which is not in keeping with the Constitution and render an opinion..

The 14th restricts the States from all sorts of stuff not articulated in the 14th itself but construed one way or another and not always consistently.. that is another of my points.. repeal it and rewrite it to obviate that kind of judicial law making.. then amend the document when ever.. let the people decide.. as you say society.. who from time to time can do that.. like booze etc..
I agree that the 14th should be rewritten. However, because of its symbolic importance as the 'Civil Rights Amendment', I doubt it will ever be touched.

I agree that the USSC should not set anything. However, it has gone so far as to make specific provisions outside the scope of the pending litigation, again most notably in the landmark abortion case (Text). The Roe v Wade decision reads like a senate bill, not a review of the Constitutionality of abortion. The 14th amendment was the springboard for this 'decision', which was a clear bastardization of the amendment's intent by the USSC.
 
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Wetech,
We each have an expectation of privacy in our own home unless we've issued a 4th amendment waiver etc.
The warrant may have listed all the drugs and guns found and may have been properly generated, signed but, unless there was an exigent circumstance they didn't deliver it properly... They had to reasonably know that the guy was flushing the stuff and IMO that was a reasonable thing to assume but did it meet the exigent test? maybe

I completely agree that we all have an expectation of privacy. But at the same time, I would tend to trust the judgement of the police officer. The officer (a 15 veteran) said that he'd been shot at numerous times when executing drug-related warrants and had feared for his safety, giving this as the reason for the short wait time.

Yeah.. well if a SDT was being served I'd lean a bit to one way regarding the privacy and potential destruction of the items under the subpoena if they knew it was being destroyed. It simply 'arrests' stuff... A warrant on the other hand seeks to arrest a person and so there would be expectation of resist or flight or worse on the part of the Officer so I'd lean more in his favor but still I'd submit privacy issues still exist. I don't mind an arrest for the alleged offense done as was done but including other stuff found as new charges when there was a Constitutional violation is just wrong.. don't matter to me what it was..

 
In case you didn't bother to read the article, Kennedy voted FOR three of Reagan's appointments. He isn't against a diverse court, he's against "activist judges" who sit in front of the Judiciary Committee and hide their agenda to gain confirmation and achieve their agenda.
I hate to break it to you, but every human being on this planet has an agenda...how we interpret the world around is very much reflected by our personal biases, experiences and perceptions.

A SCOTUS judge's personal beliefs are completely irrelevant to their appointment, as the expectation placed on ALL judges is that Constitutionality takes precedence over their own biases.

However, given that SCOTUS appointments have become a political shell game, the supposed outrage over Alito's appointment is nothing more then yet another wedge issue.

I also find it humorous that the typcial liberal response when things don't go your way is that you were misled...how did Roberts or Alito mislead the procedures exactly...there was plenty of debate, and skepticism, over their appointments given their political activisim, public statements, and championed causes over the years.

However, regardless of how Alito or Roberts feel on any hot button issue, such as abortion, the expectation is that they will yield their personal beliefs to the Constitutional issues embedded in the cases on which they rule.

A knee jerk reaction from Starbuck. What a surprise.
No, a knee jerk reaction would be to simply bitch about your posting without presenting an argument of my own...as I did offer a counter position, your criticism is misdirected.

All Hail the Republican Police State
Just gotta play the fascist state card in every thread, don't you...you know what they say about the boy who cried wolf.
 
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