Roadrunner tech support...retarded?

ViviTheMage

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AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then.

Annie P> Again, there is nothing more I can help you with.

Annie P> I suggest you clean up your temporary file and cache.

AnthonySrdar> this computer is a day old Annie.

Annie P> Have we addressed all of your current technical issues and questions?

AnthonySrdar> haha, not really, but you are making this really awkward so I will figure it out on my own, thanks!

Annie P> Have a good night.

AnthonySrdar> okay.


this is a cut from the end of our conversation, basicaly I am getting 500kbps speed tests to chicago when I gneerally get 5000/6000 and in cs I am pinging 500 to chicago/tx servers.

I directly connect my modem to my day old PC and ask is there a reason that I would be having these high pings and they make me tracer yahoo.com and find nothing wrong , but there were 6 *'s when tracerting haha..oy! I guess I hope it fixes itself.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then.

Annie P> Again, there is nothing more I can help you with.

Annie P> I suggest you clean up your temporary file and cache.

AnthonySrdar> this computer is a day old Annie.

Annie P> Have we addressed all of your current technical issues and questions?

AnthonySrdar> haha, not really, but you are making this really awkward so I will figure it out on my own, thanks!

Annie P> Have a good night.

AnthonySrdar> okay.


this is a cut from the end of our conversation, basicaly I am getting 500kbps speed tests to chicago when I gneerally get 5000/6000 and in cs I am pinging 500 to chicago/tx servers.

I directly connect my modem to my day old PC and ask is there a reason that I would be having these high pings and they make me tracer yahoo.com and find nothing wrong , but there were 6 *'s when tracerting haha..oy! I guess I hope it fixes itself.

You do realize that it's possible that the time-outs in your trace route are on someone else's network, right?

copy/paste your trace route to yahoo.com in this thread and people here will tell you who's responsibility the problem is if you can't figure it out yourself. There may not be anything RR can do about it. Some people just have a hard time accepting the fact that companies like RR do not own the internet, buy their bandwidth from someone else, and have absolutely no control in some situations.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Yeah, you actually need to call. The online junk is garbage. They'll always treat you like a dumbass (because the vast majority of users are dumbasses when it comes to computers and the interweb), but if you do it right they'll get you connected to someone who actually knows what they're doing.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then.

Annie P> Again, there is nothing more I can help you with.

Annie P> I suggest you clean up your temporary file and cache.

AnthonySrdar> this computer is a day old Annie.

Annie P> Have we addressed all of your current technical issues and questions?

AnthonySrdar> haha, not really, but you are making this really awkward so I will figure it out on my own, thanks!

Annie P> Have a good night.

AnthonySrdar> okay.


this is a cut from the end of our conversation, basicaly I am getting 500kbps speed tests to chicago when I gneerally get 5000/6000 and in cs I am pinging 500 to chicago/tx servers.

I directly connect my modem to my day old PC and ask is there a reason that I would be having these high pings and they make me tracer yahoo.com and find nothing wrong , but there were 6 *'s when tracerting haha..oy! I guess I hope it fixes itself.

You do realize that it's possible that the time-outs in your trace route are on someone else's network, right?

copy/paste your trace route to yahoo.com in this thread and people here will tell you who's responsibility the problem is if you can't figure it out yourself. There may not be anything RR can do about it. Some people just have a hard time accepting the fact that companies like RR do not own the internet, buy their bandwidth from someone else, and have absolutely no control in some situations.


Wow, can you read my first line to her?

I say, with direct quote 'AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then. '

This is what I figure, because it **** at the chicago level 3 hop.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Wow, can you read my first line to her?

I say, with direct quote 'AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then. '

This is what I figure, because it **** at the chicago level 3 hop.

First of all, I don't know where the hell Eden Prairie is in relation to Chicago. Sorry if you live in BFE, but I don't know how close/far that is from Chicago.

Second, location means absolutely dick. The trace could be switching networks before or after Chicago. The only thing that matters is who is responsible for the network that is dropping the connection. It may not be RR.

Third, it's quite difficult to know key information when all we get is the last few lines of a conversation, none of which tell anyone anything that's worth a damn technically.
 
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You have to understand that it usually has NOTHING to do with the technicians, and EVERYTHING to do with the company. As with 99% of everything in the world, it's all about money for the company, and not about helping customers.

Technicians are required to say and do exactly what the company wants, within the time they want, or they lose their jobs. It's all scripted, timed, and monitored.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: GuideBot
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Wow, can you read my first line to her?

I say, with direct quote 'AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then. '

This is what I figure, because it **** at the chicago level 3 hop.

First of all, I don't know where the hell Eden Prairie is in relation to Chicago. Sorry if you live in BFE, but I don't know how close/far that is from Chicago.

Second, location means absolutely dick. The trace could be switching networks before or after Chicago. The only thing that matters is who is responsible for the network that is dropping the connection. It may not be RR.

Third, it's quite difficult to know key information when all we get is the last few lines of a conversation, none of which tell anyone anything that's worth a damn technically.

I am not asking for help, I am showing how humerous they dropped it.

It is in the chicago area, EP is in Minnesota, so google map that if you care for a distance, it is 7 hops via RR.

Prior to this I used to have this problem and they would reset something on there end and we are back to normal.

This is meany for a funny. Take it as you will.
 

fire400

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I talked with Qwest, they did a 3 way line, me, the tech, and another tech of the modem I was having problems with.

in less then a week, after calling 3 or 4 times about my modem, they had a tech come over to my house and changed the modem onsite without charge and without delay, it was the very next business day when I called on a Sunday, so Monday it took place.

I didn't even ship anything back.

they told me my bill was going to be over a hundred dollars when I registered service, my bill ended up being under a hundred bucks for the first month.

you know what's cool about Qwest, you can call back 50 times and you will always get a different tech agent within 2 minutes.

no commitment contracts either, thank hell
 

Horus

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You have to understand that it usually has NOTHING to do with the technicians, and EVERYTHING to do with the company. As with 99% of everything in the world, it's all about money for the company, and not about helping customers.

Technicians are required to say and do exactly what the company wants, within the time they want, or they lose their jobs. It's all scripted, timed, and monitored.

And you're an idiot. It's not scripted.

I work tech support for a major telecom company in Ontario. It can't be scripted. There's procedures to follow, sure. And if our call-times are not completely up to snuff, oh well. As long as you're not taking 20 minutes to solve a 2 minute problem.
 
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Originally posted by: Horus
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You have to understand that it usually has NOTHING to do with the technicians, and EVERYTHING to do with the company. As with 99% of everything in the world, it's all about money for the company, and not about helping customers.

Technicians are required to say and do exactly what the company wants, within the time they want, or they lose their jobs. It's all scripted, timed, and monitored.

And you're an idiot. It's not scripted.

I work tech support for a major telecom company in Ontario. It can't be scripted. There's procedures to follow, sure. And if our call-times are not completely up to snuff, oh well. As long as you're not taking 20 minutes to solve a 2 minute problem.

And I worked tier II for a couple years for @Home, thru the breakup into individual providers. Over that time I worked for Cox, Comcast, Charter, Rogers, AT@T, and a few others (we were under contract to all of them). At the time it was all routed thru Stream (I personally was in the Beaverton office), but each individual provider stuck us with different requirements of what we would say and do with their customers.

Our metrics we had to meet were insane, and chief among them was time. Get them off in a few minutes. If you hadn't reached a solution coming up on your time cutoff then tell them you'd repush the modems and if they still had trouble the next day they could call back.

Of course, there was usually a 'quality assurance agent' or mentor or supervisor listening in. You'd get up around 7 minutes on a call and they'd beep in:

"Hey, you having trouble?"
"No, I think we've got it figured out, just gonna take some time with all the reboots and stuff."
"Nah, just repush and let em go."
"But that's not the issue, and won't do anything."
"The call is too long, it's probably something they did anyway, so repush."

Then you get written up for not meeting your time requirements AND the customer would call back and complain about you so you'd get written up for not helping the customer. It got so bad that the floor supervisors REQUIRED us to stop using greetings and to drive the customer thru preset diagnostics, regardless of the problems. Meanwhile the individual providers required specific greetings and told us to work with the customers thru their issues. So, if you gave a greeting your supervisor would write you up for wasting time, but if you didn't give the greeting and the provider audited the call or if the customer complained you were written up for not following the contract requirements.

We were given pretty specific scripted statements. There were no outages, there were 'unscheduled maintenances for performance enhancement'. So when the cheap parts that the company used (or the cheap labor) dropped someones node it was actually something good for the customer.There were at least dozens of canned responses we were REQUIRED to give to specific questions. Most of them weren't just misinformation, they were outright lies intended to guard the companies bottom line.

Just as I was leaving the focus shifted slightly away from purely time, and more to: 'It's always the customers fault, not the service'. No matter what was actually going on we were to work from the standpoint that the problem existed within the customers home...bad wiring, interference, bad computer, software issues...the sop was to find ANY excuse why it wasn't our problem and get them off the phone for it.

It was the biggest joke on the planet, designed ENTIRELY around corporate profits, fully scripted and controlled, and had NOTHING to do with customer service.

Just because you happen to work somewhere that might care a little about the customers is no reason to assume that's true of the rest of corporate America.

So FVCK you you ignorant worthless little pr!ck!!!

I'm sick and tired of ignorant butt munches like you telling me I don't have a clue about what I've spent my life doing. Ignorant bastard. Why don't you come read some of my 'mementos' from that glorious job and then tell me to my face how my company worked.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
AnthonySrdar> must be the chicago hop then.

Annie P> Again, there is nothing more I can help you with.

Annie P> I suggest you clean up your temporary file and cache.

AnthonySrdar> this computer is a day old Annie.

Annie P> Have we addressed all of your current technical issues and questions?

AnthonySrdar> haha, not really, but you are making this really awkward so I will figure it out on my own, thanks!

Annie P> Have a good night.

AnthonySrdar> okay.


this is a cut from the end of our conversation, basicaly I am getting 500kbps speed tests to chicago when I gneerally get 5000/6000 and in cs I am pinging 500 to chicago/tx servers.

I directly connect my modem to my day old PC and ask is there a reason that I would be having these high pings and they make me tracer yahoo.com and find nothing wrong , but there were 6 *'s when tracerting haha..oy! I guess I hope it fixes itself.
you needed to get up to the next tier of support. AnnieP is a high school dropout at a call center. Talk to her "supervisor"

 

ViviTheMage

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but high school dropouts are so badass!

hah, kidding....either way I am sure when I get home it will have corrected itself, seems to work that way.
 
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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
PrinceofWands , hard life?

Sorry to crap your thread man, just having a really bad week and one too many people telling me what is and is not reality.

Horus, serious apologies to you as well. You didn't deserve that much venom and disrespect. I'm as guilty of not seeing that there are good companies out there as you are of arguing from the other camp. Same fault, opposite sides, but I gave in to anger and personal attacks as well. Sorry. 8-(
 

XZeroII

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Why do you need high speeds to Chicago? It's cable, and the quality of cable can fluctuate from minute to minute.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You have to understand that it usually has NOTHING to do with the technicians, and EVERYTHING to do with the company. As with 99% of everything in the world, it's all about money for the company, and not about helping customers.

Technicians are required to say and do exactly what the company wants, within the time they want, or they lose their jobs. It's all scripted, timed, and monitored.

Shame you had to work for such a crappy operation. I worked Phone support For XO for a little over a year and it was nothing like that. Certainly there were TT WT targets that We would try to hit but equally as important was the quality of the support provided. There were some noobs there that out of the gate were posting unreal average TT's and WT's but couldn't find their a** with both hands and wrote horrible contact notes. Invariably those customers would have to repeatedly call back until they got myself or one of the other better agents and we would always get their problem solved. It was an actual objective to reduce callbacks. In addition we were reviewed several times a week on our contact notes and actually graded on them. I saw some absolutely horrible notes when trying to help people on their 3rd or 4th callback. As far as I know my notes are still being used as training examples. Anyway it is unfortunate that you had to suffer through such a crappy operation but I am here to tell you it isn't like that everywhere.