Road trip report: drivers are nuts

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We had a thread a week or so ago about that pile-up in Michigan, and there was a debate about whether the drivers were really being careless, or the weather conditions were just unpredictable and unavoidable. After spending the last 22 hours driving in horrible conditions, I'm able to answer the question: the average driver on an American highway appears to be insane.

For various reasons I found myself traveling Sunday afternoon on I70 eastbound from St. Louis, heading for Columbus, OH. Drizzle changed to freezing drizzle changed to mixed snow and freezing rain by the time I hit Indianapolis. The winds were out of the north and just brutal, blowing the trucks all over the road, which was very slippery and slush covered. Salt trucks and plows were at work along the whole stretch. It was dark as hell and visibility was maybe a hundred to two-hundred yards in blowing snow.

Those conditions persisted, with local variations, from Indianapolis to 270 west of Columbus, where I decided to change course and take 71 north because I was following the storm east. That decision got me into a thick band of lake effect snow south of Cleveland, so no help there. I turned east on 76 and got to Youngstown, where I crashed for an hour and a half in a rest area, rose to more snow, and drove in that to I80 and as far as Lock Haven, PA before finally getting into some clear weather. It was pretty damn miserable :).

So that is the experience from which I draw the following conclusions. First, the average driver of a tractor-trailer rig on American roads is batshit crazy. There were a few cautious guys trundling along at 45 with me in the right lane, but truck after truck went by at 65+. Between Indianapolis and the 270 junction at Columbus I saw four jack-knifed rigs, one of which shut the whole road down for awhile. I drove a tractor trailer for two different companies when I was eighteen and nineteen, so I don't speak from zero experience when I say it was in no way possible to drive a rig on I70 this past Sunday evening in Illinois, Indiana, or Ohio at greater than 45 or 50 miles an hour and do it safely. I imagine the guys driving the slow trucks have a little gray hair like me, and one of the ways you get to live to have gray hair is by not doing stupid shit for no good reason.

Second, while I think the truckers were certainly the greater danger, the average driver of a car or SUV is little better. All the modern traction control and stability control systems make these people think they are masters of the universe, and the more expensive their fucking SUV is the more physics they think they can command. I don't care how smart your car's systems are, when there is a layer of frozen watery shit between your tires and the pavement you need to slow the hell down. I didn't count the cars that plowed trenches in the median or took out signs along that stretch of road because there were too many.

I honestly don't get it. These people zoom along at high speed in a close pack on ice and snow and the idea never once enters their minds that a little chaotic perturbation from some unknown direction could turn the whole mess into a meat grinder in 5 seconds? Do they actually have no imagination at all? Have some of these truck drivers never seen what happens when a loaded trailer gets to hump the cab you're sitting in? Have none of the car and SUV drivers never seen a truck sitting on top of a car? It happened to that guy on Youtube, sure, but some divine fucking principle means it can't happen to me.

So, anyway, next time you hear about a pile up, remember this: yes, it was idiots.
 

rh71

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The difference is people who've never gotten into an accident while driving like a maniac (luck) vs those who have. This is why teens are more aggressive - they haven't been brought down to earth yet. I've been there, and into the back of cars too. I don't do that "I'm invincible" shit anymore.
 
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ViperXX

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I've seen the same reckless, careless driving on I-40 when the roads are snow packed and icy. Anytime it snows around here, I stay the hell off the interstate.
 

rudeguy

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Let me speak from personal experience:

People in MI are idiots once they get behind the wheel. The biggest problem we have now is cell phones. People will be doing 80 MPH (perfectly normal on a highway around here) while texting. You see them swerving, drifting, just not paying attention. When you add in bad weather where you have to pay close attention BEFORE a bad situation comes up in order to leave yourself an out, these people are doomed. Yes, maybe they can react fast but the whole key to driving in bad weather is not having to do anything fast.

Now once you cross the border into Ohio, its gets even worse. Semis can go as fast as cars and cars don't yield to semis like they do here in MI. So cars and semis are packed together and there is no room for mistakes.
 

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The difference is people who've never gotten into an accident while driving like a maniac (luck) vs those who have. This is why teens are more aggressive - they haven't been brought down to earth yet. I've been there, and into the back of cars too. I don't do that "I'm invincible" shit anymore.

Yeah that's why I mentioned imagination. If you have to actually be in a bad accident in order to be scared into driving safely that's a problem. I just can't imagine not being naturally cautious in conditions like that. It has to be some chemical imbalance :). I was driving a 4WD Toyota with new rubber and driving cautiously and I still fishtailed twice crossing Indiana, and that was just at 45 mph or so. Still an anus clenching experience when you're surrounded by rigs.
 

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Yes, maybe they can react fast but the whole key to driving in bad weather is not having to do anything fast.

QFT man. That is it in a nutshell. You have to be able to do everything way ahead of time. Easy, gentle changes, no spiky loads.
 

manimal

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Safe driving man. If you want to pull off near indy let me know! Ill buy you a coffee!
 

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Nobody here in Colorado can drive in the snow either. All those morons who have migrated from California. I don't understand it either. People will pass me and then merge in where I'm trying to leave adequate space for the conditions, so then I have to slow down and get more space between me and the idiot, only for another idiot to think they need to get in there too. I've seen so many cars off the road in storms it's nuts. I should drive my truck with a winch and charge $200 to pull people out.

But then nobody leaves adequate space between them and the car in front of them in normal conditions either.
 

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Now once you cross the border into Ohio, its gets even worse. Semis can go as fast as cars and cars don't yield to semis like they do here in MI. So cars and semis are packed together and there is no room for mistakes.

Yeah, that change was put into place not too long ago and makes things a bit interesting at times.

I drive I-75 every day and I am convinced that the semis actually speed up in bad weather. They know the state patrol is on emergency duty, not ticketing for speeding so they just go balls out. It isn't at all uncommon to see them pushing 80+ in snowy/icy weather. Every time you get passed by one you either get a windshield full of slush or a pure whiteout depending on the temperature. Half the time they can't see what lane they are in so they just ride down the middle forcing slower drivers onto the shoulder. It's that or just get run over.
 

rudeguy

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Nobody here in Colorado can drive in the snow either. All those morons who have migrated from California. I don't understand it either. People will pass me and then merge in where I'm trying to leave adequate space for the conditions, so then I have to slow down and get more space between me and the idiot, only for another idiot to think they need to get in there too. I've seen so many cars off the road in storms it's nuts. I should drive my truck with a winch and charge $200 to pull people out.

But then nobody leaves adequate space between them and the car in front of them in normal conditions either.

I hate that shit!

But I'm guilty of it too. Its much easier to drive behind someone in the snow than lead the pack. I'll call the guy ahead of me all kinds of names, pass him, then realize I can't go any faster safely. Then I feel like a moron and a jackass.
 

ControlD

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I hate that shit!

But I'm guilty of it too. Its much easier to drive behind someone in the snow than lead the pack. I'll call the guy ahead of me all kinds of names, pass him, then realize I can't go any faster safely. Then I feel like a moron and a jackass.

lmao .. been there, done that. Now I am happy to find some slow "asshole" and just stay behind them. I can always blame the slow guy for holding up traffic while still driving at a safe speed. It's a win-win.
 

rudeguy

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Yeah, that change was put into place not too long ago and makes things a bit interesting at times.

I drive I-75 every day and I am convinced that the semis actually speed up in bad weather. They know the state patrol is on emergency duty, not ticketing for speeding so they just go balls out. It isn't at all uncommon to see them pushing 80+ in snowy/icy weather. Every time you get passed by one you either get a windshield full of slush or a pure whiteout depending on the temperature. Half the time they can't see what lane they are in so they just ride down the middle forcing slower drivers onto the shoulder. It's that or just get run over.

Last time I went into Ohio I was driving the company Mazda 3. Little half-a-piece-a-car. Right when I was going into Ohio I was passing a semi on the left. I hadn't changed lanes, didn't really pay much attention to the semi. Anyways right when I was at his front left fender, he starts merging into the left lane. There wasn't much room on the should for me to squeeze on to, so I had to gun it in front of him. The Mazda gets up but I bet I only had an inch to spare before he squished me. Trucker slowed way down and didn't get near me even when I got in the slow lane.

Screw Ohio.
 

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Yeah, that change was put into place not too long ago and makes things a bit interesting at times.

I drive I-75 every day and I am convinced that the semis actually speed up in bad weather. They know the state patrol is on emergency duty, not ticketing for speeding so they just go balls out. It isn't at all uncommon to see them pushing 80+ in snowy/icy weather. Every time you get passed by one you either get a windshield full of slush or a pure whiteout depending on the temperature. Half the time they can't see what lane they are in so they just ride down the middle forcing slower drivers onto the shoulder. It's that or just get run over.

That was exactly my experience on Sunday evening, and your theory about why makes a lot of sense.
 

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Growing up in upstate NY it was always the morons with 4x4 trucks and Broncos or Jeeps in the ditch the first time it snowed. They seem to think the laws of physics don't apply to them for some reason...
 

ControlD

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Last time I went into Ohio I was driving the company Mazda 3. Little half-a-piece-a-car. Right when I was going into Ohio I was passing a semi on the left. I hadn't changed lanes, didn't really pay much attention to the semi. Anyways right when I was at his front left fender, he starts merging into the left lane. There wasn't much room on the should for me to squeeze on to, so I had to gun it in front of him. The Mazda gets up but I bet I only had an inch to spare before he squished me. Trucker slowed way down and didn't get near me even when I got in the slow lane.

Screw Ohio.

That's me every day man. Driving on I-75 in a Mazda 3.
 

rudeguy

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That's me every day man. Driving on I-75 in a Mazda 3.

Its the perfect road trip car and its actually all we use it for. Ours goes all over the country, hauls trailers, hauls inventory, it works its ass off. When I was driving it I had it literally packed to the brim with PCs, cash drawers, networking stuff...basically everything you would need to convert 4 stores from one company to another. It was a solid pallet of inventory I crammed into that thing.
 

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I feel like our transportation systems are stuck in the dark ages with everything else advancing around them. And yes when you're driving you are subject to the technique, expertise, frailties and volatility of other drivers, as they are subject to you. It's the human condition.

Getting to our driver-less future is going to take some doing. It seems like everyone would need to switch to driver-less technology at once so all the cars can talk to each other. I rather like the personal transportation system depicted in Minority Report. Super fast highways of self driving, electric, comfortable 'pods.' It's the only thing that will work for all the pileups, 'accidents' and crazy drivers.
 

rudeguy

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I feel like our transportation systems are stuck in the dark ages with everything else advancing around them. And yes when you're driving you are subject to the technique, expertise, frailties and volatility of other drivers, as they are subject to you. It's the human condition.

Getting to our driver-less future is going to take some doing. It seems like everyone would need to switch to driver-less technology at once so all the cars can talk to each other. I rather like the personal transportation system depicted in Minority Report. Super fast highways of self driving, electric, comfortable 'pods.' It's the only thing that will work for all the pileups, 'accidents' and crazy drivers.

when exactly did you lose your grasp on reality?
 

Markbnj

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Getting to our driver-less future is going to take some doing. It seems like everyone would need to switch to driver-less technology at once so all the cars can talk to each other. I rather like the personal transportation system depicted in Minority Report. Super fast highways of self driving, electric, comfortable 'pods.' It's the only thing that will work for all the pileups, 'accidents' and crazy drivers.

Agreed. It will come, eventually. The tricky thing will be the transition. Driverless cars will have to deal with driverful cars for a long time, and eventually the driverless kind have to be cheap enough to be the standard for everyone.
 

ControlD

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I would be happy enough just to have automated highway driving. I sort of doubt we will ever see 100% driverless transportation, but imagine how sweet it would be to pack the family up for a long trip, hit the highway and just kick back and relax until your exit pops up. Somehow I doubt I will see that in my lifetime, but it would be nice.
 

nickbits

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An accident once in a while is OK with me... beats driving overly slow all the time.