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Road fatalities... nearly a 1/4 from SUVs/pickup rollovers

KokomoGST

Diamond Member
Taken directly from TopGearBBC:

"Deaths from road accidents in the US have risen to the highest levels in more than a decade as alcohol abuse and failure to wear seatbelts contributed to 42,850 fatalities, safety regulators revealed yesterday. This is compared with the UK, where the average annual road fatality rate is 3400 or so. Nearly a quarter of US road deaths, or 10,626, were attributed to rollover crashes in unstable vehicles such as SUVs and pickup trucks."

BTW, even though I personally am anti-SUV, this isn't a jab at SUVs... it's more a jab at lack of driver training in the US.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
As long as I don't get T-boned by one of these SUV's, they can roll over and play dead for all I care.

I agree. But they often DO T-bone ya
 
291 million vs 59 million so 147 deaths per million to 57 per million, which doesn't look quite as bad.

of course, if you normalize it by million man-vehicle-miles its probably a lot closer.
 
Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Taken directly from TopGearBBC:

"Deaths from road accidents in the US have risen to the highest levels in more than a decade as alcohol abuse and failure to wear seatbelts contributed to 42,850 fatalities, safety regulators revealed yesterday. This is compared with the UK, where the average annual road fatality rate is 3400 or so. Nearly a quarter of US road deaths, or 10,626, were attributed to rollover crashes in unstable vehicles such as SUVs and pickup trucks."

BTW, even though I personally am anti-SUV, this isn't a jab at SUVs... it's more a jab at lack of driver training in the US.
Total numbers are irrelevant. They need to be compared on a per-miles-driven basis. The US has far more cars and people put more miles on their cars in the US than in the UK.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Taken directly from TopGearBBC:

"Deaths from road accidents in the US have risen to the highest levels in more than a decade as alcohol abuse and failure to wear seatbelts contributed to 42,850 fatalities, safety regulators revealed yesterday. This is compared with the UK, where the average annual road fatality rate is 3400 or so. Nearly a quarter of US road deaths, or 10,626, were attributed to rollover crashes in unstable vehicles such as SUVs and pickup trucks."

BTW, even though I personally am anti-SUV, this isn't a jab at SUVs... it's more a jab at lack of driver training in the US.
Total numbers are irrelevant. They need to be compared on a per-miles-driven basis. The US has far more cars and people put more miles on their cars in the UN than in the UK.

ZV

The UN? Me thinks you need some sleep!
 
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Taken directly from TopGearBBC:

"Deaths from road accidents in the US have risen to the highest levels in more than a decade as alcohol abuse and failure to wear seatbelts contributed to 42,850 fatalities, safety regulators revealed yesterday. This is compared with the UK, where the average annual road fatality rate is 3400 or so. Nearly a quarter of US road deaths, or 10,626, were attributed to rollover crashes in unstable vehicles such as SUVs and pickup trucks."

BTW, even though I personally am anti-SUV, this isn't a jab at SUVs... it's more a jab at lack of driver training in the US.
Total numbers are irrelevant. They need to be compared on a per-miles-driven basis. The US has far more cars and people put more miles on their cars in the UN than in the UK.

ZV
The UN? Me thinks you need some sleep!
Sorry, a short circuit between the head and the hands.

ZV
 
Easter Sunday my GF rolled her suburban 3 times ending on it's roof on her way home from my lake house. The vehicle is totalled....she escaped without even a scratch. She was wearing her seatbelt. The Drivers compartment suffered no crush what so ever except cosmetic. Say what you want about SUVs.....that damned Chevy POS saved her life!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Easter Sunday my GF rolled her suburban 3 times ending on it's roof on her way home from my lake house. The vehicle is totalled....she escaped without even a scratch. She was wearing her seatbelt. The Drivers compartment suffered no crush what so ever except cosmetic. Say what you want about SUVs.....that damned Chevy POS saved her life!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe if she wasn't driving that mammoth she wouldn't of rolled at all?
 
Well if you remember about 12 years ago when sales of ATVs such as high performance three wheelers and four wheelers hit an all-time high, and the increase in serious accident rates involving ATVs scaled perfectly with this surge in sales. There was this 'push' to ban or severely restrict ATVs sales, prohibit minors from riding them, mandate advanced rider courses, and sue ATV makers. Same thing with personal water craft.

Anytime you take a specialty vehicle, particularly a high performance vehicle like a Quad Sport, make it both affordable and desirable to the masses, you're invariably going to find a whole lot of idiots buying them who shouldn't because they haven't the first clue how to drive them properly or competently then get themselves killed or paralyzed.

Nobody would think of careening through the snow in their Corvette or BMW 5-Series with a snow blade mounted on the front, nor would they take them off the beaten path. Why it is that people think they can drive a 5,200lb SUV in the same manner one would a Corvette or 5-Series, I'll never know.

Just as there was absolutely nothing 'wrong' with the design of ATV four wheelers, most accidents were attributable to rider-error, there is nothing 'wrong' with SUVs, except that they are not suitable for 'the masses', no more than a GSX-R1000 is suitable for 'the masses', or a Corvette, or a Quad Sport, or a Wave Runner, etc.

However, I'm torn on the issue of whether manufacturers are negligent in their marketing of these specialty vehicles to the masses without also including a superfluous degree of cautionary advisories and warnings at every step of the purchasing process.

I have no problem with big tobacco selling cigarettes, but you have to adequately warn people that your product will eventually kill them. Similarly, SUV makers had a duty to warn people that their product was unsafe if driven in certain manners. But where the lines are between 'adequate' and 'inadequate' are very muddled and difficult to pin down.

I remember a case against a gun manufacturer, where a kid took a .22 rifle and tried to 'spin' the rifle around his finger over his head. The gun discharged and struck his own mother in the head, severely injuring her (if not killing her).

They sued the gun manufacturer, arguing that the gun manufacturer should have anticipated that someone might try to spin the rifle around their finger causing the rifle to discharge, and because the manufacturer didn't expressly warn against spinning the rifle around one's finger in the product's manual, it had a duty to design its product to prevent accidental discharge from spinning the rifle around one's finger.

There must be some reasonable expectation of care on the part of the user, because it is impossible to predict and expressly warn against all possible ways in which idiots can devise to misuse a product. The product manual for a simple hammer would be 300 pages long in order to warn against every possible way in which some idiot might misuse a hammer. The product manual for a complex product like a car would have to be a multi-volume encyclopedia of don'ts.

Not that even a fraction of people actually read the warnings already given in product manuals, anyway.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Well if you remember about 12 years ago when sales of ATVs such as high performance three wheelers and four wheelers hit an all-time high, and the increase in serious accident rates involving ATVs scaled perfectly with this surge in sales. There was this 'push' to ban or severely restrict ATVs sales, prohibit minors from riding them, mandate advanced rider courses, and sue ATV makers. Same thing with personal water craft.

Anytime you take a specialty vehicle, particularly a high performance vehicle like a Quad Sport, make it both affordable and desirable to the masses, you're invariably going to find a whole lot of idiots buying them who shouldn't because they haven't the first clue how to drive them properly or competently then get themselves killed or paralyzed.

Nobody would think of careening through the snow in their Corvette or BMW 5-Series with a snow blade mounted on the front, nor would they take them off the beaten path. Why it is that people think they can drive a 5,200lb SUV in the same manner one would a Corvette or 5-Series, I'll never know.

Just as there was absolutely nothing 'wrong' with the design of ATV four wheelers, most accidents were attributable to rider-error, there is nothing 'wrong' with SUVs, except that they are not suitable for 'the masses', no more than a GSX-R1000 is suitable for 'the masses', or a Corvette, or a Quad Sport, or a Wave Runner, etc.

However, I'm torn on the issue of whether manufacturers are negligent in their marketing of these specialty vehicles to the masses without also including a superfluous degree of cautionary advisories and warnings at every step of the purchasing process.

I have no problem with big tobacco selling cigarettes, but you have to adequately warn people that your product will eventually kill them. Similarly, SUV makers had a duty to warn people that their product was unsafe if driven in certain manners. But where the lines are between 'adequate' and 'inadequate' are very muddled and difficult to pin down.

I remember a case against a gun manufacturer, where a kid took a .22 rifle and tried to 'spin' the rifle around his finger over his head. The gun discharged and struck his own mother in the head, severely injuring her (if not killing her).

They sued the gun manufacturer, arguing that the gun manufacturer should have anticipated that someone might try to spin the rifle around their finger causing the rifle to discharge, and because the manufacturer didn't expressly warn against spinning the rifle around one's finger in the product's manual, it had a duty to design its product to prevent accidental discharge from spinning the rifle around one's finger.

There must be some reasonable expectation of care on the part of the user, because it is impossible to predict and expressly warn against all possible ways in which idiots can devise to misuse a product. The product manual for a simple hammer would be 300 pages long in order to warn against every possible way in which some idiot might misuse a hammer. The product manual for a complex product like a car would have to be a multi-volume encyclopedia of don'ts.

Not that even a fraction of people actually read the warnings already given in product manuals, anyway.


Well said. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
 
guns are marketed as guns, not versatile pop guns that kids can use too😛


suvs, great for killing yourself and oithers in the process! yay!
 
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