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Rise of the Machines

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madoka

madoka

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Note to self: do not walk around with brooms or pitchforks.

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Russian weapons maker Kalashnikov is working on an automated gun system that uses artificial intelligence to make "shoot/no shoot" decisions. But exactly how this AI or any other decides who is a combatant and who isn't is at the heart of a raging debate over allowing autonomous weapons on battlefields filled with both soldiers and civilians.

The Kalashnikov "combat module" will include 7.62-millimeter machine gun coupled with a camera attached to a computer system. According to TASS, the module uses "neural network technologies that enable it to identify targets and make decisions". A key part of neural networking technology is the ability to learn from past mistakes.

Neural networks are computer systems that learn much like animal brains, learning from example and then using that learning to make decisions in the future. A battlefield robot, for example, may store images of both soldiers, guerillas, and unarmed civilians in an onboard database. Once its onboard cameras image a human being, the neural network would compare the person it is seeing to the database. If it has a firearm or uniform worn by enemy troops, it would open fire. Ideally, if it saw no weapon at all, it would judge the target a civilian and not open fire.

The problem with example-based learning in warfare is that in war mistakes are permanent and irreversible, and a neural network may not have the opportunity to apply lessons learned. If the robot misjudges a rocket launcher as a broomstick and doesn't fire, the rocket launcher will blow it up. That doesn't help the robot and won't help future robots discern a soldier with a rocket from a civilian with a broomstick. If a civilian's pitchfork is misidentified as a rocket launcher, he gets riddled with bullets. If the neural network then self-tweaks itself to identify pitchforks, that's good for the robot. But the civilian is still dead.
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luv2liv

luv2liv

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im really curious what would happen when robots kill alll humans?
will the USA robots still fight the China robots on their masters behalf? or will their AI start celebrating and making out?
 
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Exterous

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I don't know why anyone is worried. The Russians never make any mistakes with their weaponry or nuclear power plants
 
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BarkingGhostar

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This is no worse than the tens of millions of firearms Russia has given the world to kill each other with all in the name of being Russian-friendly. I see these things roaming Africa, soon. Maybe that will squelch the periodic starvation situation.
 
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Darwin333

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highland145 said:
Oh, so now we're nuclear fall out shaming?

And it really makes one question if nuclear power is worth it.
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Do you have any idea the negative health impacts from coal fired power plants? It dwarfs everything in the history of nuclear power by far. Most of them just aren't counted because you can't 100% prove that the disease or illness was caused by it. Not to mention that coal plants release more radiation into the environment than nuclear plants and do in fact create radioactive waste that is just dumped in landfills and shit. Not to mention all the other pesky things like green house gasses and stuff.

Now I am all about green energy, as a matter of fact I design and manage solar installations for a living but I also have a good understanding of the big picture concerning our energy needs. We can phase some out with nat gas and hope that the price continues to stay low for the foreseeable future but if we really want to get off the worst possible energy source, coal, we should be building a lot of new modern nuclear power plants.
 
rh71

rh71

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I was forever scarred after watching this Robocop scene as a kid... I can't be the only one. Hell when Murphy's hand got blown off I should've ran away... what were my parents thinking?

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sdifox

sdifox

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rh71 said:
I was forever scarred after watching this Robocop scene as a kid... I can't be the only one. Hell when Murphy's hand got blown off I should've ran away... what were my parents thinking?

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You forgot it fell down the stairs and cried like a baby?
 
ctbaars

ctbaars

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All wars could be fought with these things. Then a computer can calculate the death toll and send automatic emails to those whom are scheduled to be terminated.
 
Red Squirrel

Red Squirrel

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What I'm really worried is when the Germans decide they're fed up with everybody's shit and they add AI to the Bagger 288 and weaponize it. Even Beelzebub himself would fear it.
 
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