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runawayprisoner

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Problem is RIM needs to start pushing its portfolio up. Significantly up from its current state. Its software is very well-rounded in terms of features and security, and dare I say... usability. But performance with the current hardware is just not up to snuff with alternative offerings.

If I have to give my opinions, I would say... performance matters more when there are barely enough features for something to work, as opposed to when there are possibilities, but performance just can't keep up with what the user wants to do.
 

BenSkywalker

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Been busy for a while, now I have a bit of time to reply.

Either that or it's beyond your scope to put it into words. You claim eloquence, so take the opportunity and explain why dual core "opportunities" are and why quad would "help out considerably" with whatever they are. I'm all ears.

First off, where did I claim eloquence? Quote me :)

Right now, today, I can handle a presentation on sales projections walking in the room with nothing but my phone and a cable. No need to mess around getting files moved from one location to the other, to lug around a laptop or anything else, just my phone and a cable(depending on how the network is setup the cable may be optional also). The tricky part ATM is to be able to pull up a spreadsheet and modify variables to check for impacts on different elements and compile them in a timely fashion on a phone. These sorts of things are what can make phones a true netbook/notebook replacement for a lot of people, myself included. For general consumers, being able to play the latest games on the bigscreen could use a bit more processing power(GPU and CPU). The included SoCs may work fine for tiny little qHD displays, but they struggle running true HD resolutions.

Being an Altar boy as a child didn't change me, so don't think for a second your pithy comments will, either.

Has nothing to do with changing you in any way. My comment relates to your ability to have logical discourse. I can assure you I have never been anything close to an altar boy, but being out at the pub with your mates having a pint is a bit different then entering into logical discourse on a tech forum.

The interfaces added to Android often garner the most ire from users.

From geeks, not from general users. The overwhelming majority of people are more then happy using the skins their OEM provided. My wife, daughter and niece all like the skins their devices came with(Atrix, Inspire, GalaxyS). I like Dell's UI for the Streak better then stock Android.

Again you're all over the place, first I have to use Android, I explain I do, then it's not the right device, then the wrong skin, then I'm not in the real world. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

The implication was that you used Android so you fully understood the comparisons between devices. I have enough Android devices that I can absolutely assure you there are HUGE differences between them and using one device in no way makes you anything approaching an authority. Most of the time on these forums I see people using an Evo and holding it up as an example of how poor the Android platform is- the funny thing is I use the Evo as an example of how bad an Android phone can be(as in, if someone is cross shopping between an iPhone 3GS and an Evo I tell them it is an absolute no brainer for the iPhone under almost any circumstance).

Irony incarnate. You bring P&N style diversionary flame posting to GG&P and cry foul when you get a taste of your own medicine. Take a good long look at the OP, and tell me why you haven't posted one thing about the CMO.

Wow, from my first post in this discussion-

They should have offered Mr Pardy a staggering bonus to stay and fired their engineers- they are the ones putting the company in the position it is in, Mr Pardy has worked a miracle to slow the pace as much as he has.

I'm guessing you aren't aware that Mr Pardy is the CMO? As far as anything resembling P&N style posting, again, we are talking about marketing. Politics, religion and marketing all use the same fundamentals, the fact that you can spot that puts you well on your way to middle school success in any of those fields ;)

Whatever you think of my posting style, and regardless of your attempted assault upon my intelligence level, my previous post served it's purpose. It reveals that you're not posting in here to discuss phones, not RIM, not even the exit of the CMO of RIM. You're just here for the argument. Consider yourself outed.

I haven't insulted your intelligence, I've insulted the content of your posts. The fact that you can read and type proves to me that your intellectual capacity significantly exceeds what you have been displaying in this thread. I am in fact discussing the CMO of RIM.

I work in distribution, figuring out what the sales on something will be before the product hits the shelves is a large part of my job. When the ZuneHD hit it was clearly the superior MP3 player available, easily besting the iPod Touch. So what did we do? We ordered 20 IPTs for each ZHD. Why? *VASTLY* superior marketing. The quality of the product was one thing(apps weren't nearly as big then as they are now which would obviously change things considerably), the ability for Apple to market them far beyond what MS was capable of was something else entirely.

While most companies approach to marketing is quite close to Politics, trying to sell their perspective as the best, Apple's is much like religion. If you look prior to the launch of the iPad2 you won't find the Apple fans asking for anything, this is entriely contrary to Android/WMo/RIM enthusiasts. Instead, Apple fans wait for what Jobs tells them they want and then champion it as the most important thing ever. We saw this with the iPhone4 and the display resolution(which if it was really that important it would have been a major issue with how shockingly bad the prior models were).

Apple has found a way to surpass logical marketing techniques and carve out a niche where they tell their customers what they want, and the customers believe it. This is much like religion. So, a purchase order goes in for extra millions of dollars to Apple because of their marketing abilities, nothing technical about it at all.

The fact that RIM still sells as many parts as it does despite their vast inferiority speaks volumes about Mr Pardy's ability to do his job well. He may not be Steve Jobs, but he is in a league far beyond what most companies have.

If the overall direction of a project is wrong, its not the fault of the engineers.

When functionality and performance are significantly below the norm, a degree of stability beyond the competition should be an absolute given when looking at a comparable price point.
 

DivideBYZero

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Been busy for a while, now I have a bit of time to reply.

Right now, today, I can handle a presentation on sales projections walking in the room with nothing but my phone and a cable. No need to mess around getting files moved from one location to the other, to lug around a laptop or anything else, just my phone and a cable(depending on how the network is setup the cable may be optional also). The tricky part ATM is to be able to pull up a spreadsheet and modify variables to check for impacts on different elements and compile them in a timely fashion on a phone. These sorts of things are what can make phones a true netbook/notebook replacement for a lot of people, myself included. For general consumers, being able to play the latest games on the bigscreen could use a bit more processing power(GPU and CPU). The included SoCs may work fine for tiny little qHD displays, but they struggle running true HD resolutions.

Not a big deal, IMHO. I used a box the size of a pack of smokes (Impatica Showmate) and this:

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To show presentations wirelessly. No cables at all. I could walk around the training room changing slides and reading notes from that device in 2005.

You're all about headline numbers. I'm all about real functionality. It's a different approach to devices, and I'm not saying your choice is wrong, we just differ in what we need devices to do.
 

BenSkywalker

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To show presentations wirelessly. No cables at all. I could walk around the training room changing slides and reading notes from that device in 2005.

And my High School teachers did something comparable in the 80s, how about some HD video feeds tied in to your presentation with surround tracks, how well did it handle that? Yes, if you want to do a presentation that would make Ben Stein proud then I'm sure that device would be the perfect approach. Unfortunately for me, I deal with people who are rather desensitized to trivial sales pitches.

You're all about headline numbers. I'm all about real functionality.

I'm all about functionality, my standards are simply in an a different millenium then yours based on your comments. I could care less about numbers outside of how it helps me out. I know enough about CS to realize where I want a device to be is still quite a ways off, it's just that a part available to me right now is far ahead of where RIM hopes to be by the end of the year. In this market, that they hold as much mindshare as they do, is a testamnet to the incredible talents of Mr Pardy. If Mr Pardy was working on WebOS marketing we wouldn't likely be having a discussion about which platform was better on this sub forum, there would pretty much be only one.