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Right wing fascist group admits they are the ones responsible for inciting violence.

The proud boys leader looks like a black guy. You'd think the idiots following him would notice something like that.
As far as the story goes, let both groups of idiots fight it out.
 
The important point to note in my opinion is that they are fighting for the good, their community, against the other. This is the essential point of being a bigot, to stoke the feeling that one is a good guy. And the reason is that we all feel worthless inside. The inner empty have no alternative but to hang their ego self worth on being a part of some good thing out there. The only way out is the death of all our sacred cows. Good luck.
 
Well hopefully this will be enough for people to tell their reps in Oregon to deny any permits from these white supremacist clowns to hold rallies in the future. And hopefully maybe the state will sue them for the costs they've incurred due to their shenanigans.
 
HomerJS said:
I guess this pretty much ends the debate.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/proud-boys-rallies-portland-185223254.html
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Didn't realize there was a debate. I don't remember anyone here on ATPN or anywhere in real life suggesting the Proud Boys and similar groups were just pacifist folks going about their business in meditation and doing yoga. That doesn't mean if they're taking a nap in their hammock you should feel free to go up and beat them just because of their beliefs because you think "punch a Nazi" is some kind of brave act.
 
I look at our American Nazis the same way I look at those German Nazis that killed ~300,000 Americans who served in our military services during WWII, some of whom were relatives of mine or friends of my father who by sheer luck survived that war fighting in it as an American rifleman (infantryman in present day vernacular).

'Nuff said about that.
 
glenn1 said:
Didn't realize there was a debate. I don't remember anyone here on ATPN or anywhere in real life suggesting the Proud Boys and similar groups were just pacifist folks going about their business in meditation and doing yoga. That doesn't mean if they're taking a nap in their hammock you should feel free to go up and beat them just because of their beliefs because you think "punch a Nazi" is some kind of brave act.
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Yeah, I'm sure it was just an accident that any attempt to criticize Proud Boys in the recent Portland protest thread led to attacks of being "pro-antifa," "pro-punch a Nazi," etc.
 
glenn1 said:
Didn't realize there was a debate. I don't remember anyone here on ATPN or anywhere in real life suggesting the Proud Boys and similar groups were just pacifist folks going about their business in meditation and doing yoga. That doesn't mean if they're taking a nap in their hammock you should feel free to go up and beat them just because of their beliefs because you think "punch a Nazi" is some kind of brave act.
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You mean other than the president who said they were some very fine people?
 
Vic said:
Neither does antifa represent the left, but that never stops right wingers from saying they do.
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These right wing groups are open about their allegiance to Trump who is the GOP leader.

I don't recall ANTIFA ever claiming Obama supported them.
 
Vic said:
Let's not forget that Trump tweeted support to the Proud Boys right before the Portland protest last weekend.
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Remember how Trump labeled all those Mexicans rapists. Some nut hunts down and kills Mexicans and Slow will claim "it has nothing to do with Trump".
 
blackangst1 said:
See my response to Vic. Other than agreeing with me whats your point? Other than taking swipes at the right?
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It wasn't a swipe at your or "the right." It was a swipe at certain posters here and people who act like them. A uncle and cousin of mine have no trouble propping up certain fringe groups and broadly painting "the left" as all that way. Not that I do it personally, but they take offense and act butt hurt if someone tries to do it "the right."
 
PJFrylar said:
It wasn't a swipe at your or "the right." It was a swipe at certain posters here and people who act like them. A uncle and cousin of mine have no trouble propping up certain fringe groups and broadly painting "the left" as all that way. Not that I do it personally, but they take offense and act butt hurt if someone tries to do it "the right."
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Got it. But youre right on your point. #bothsides do the same thing.
 
glenn1 said:
Didn't realize there was a debate. I don't remember anyone here on ATPN or anywhere in real life suggesting the Proud Boys and similar groups were just pacifist folks going about their business in meditation and doing yoga. That doesn't mean if they're taking a nap in their hammock you should feel free to go up and beat them just because of their beliefs because you think "punch a Nazi" is some kind of brave act.
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Punching Nazis isn't a brave act. It's the expected responsibility of all adult humans. It's like not parking in handicap zones, closing the cooler doors at the grocery door after you retrieve your milk, not cruising in the left lane on the freeway--they are all the same type of responsible behaviors for adults living in a modern, free society.

Once you achieve the profound enlightenment that punching Nazis is no more abnormal than respectfully closing the fridge door when you're done, then you might be a better member of our modern society.
 
UNCjigga said:
And yet Donald Trump enables them, just as he did during their Portland rally.
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I wouldnt call it enabling so much as not saying anything negative about them. But, tomato tomato. Its like the whole "very fine people on both times" comment is taken wayyy out of context. The full quote is:

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

This was in the middle of conversation about alt left and alt right groups. So when he says there are very fine poeple on both sides, thats what he meant. He didnt say there are very fine people in the neo-nazi group. In fact, in his words, he separates talking about neo-nazis and the side with the word "but". He clearly and distinctly said " they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group."
 
blackangst1 said:
I wouldnt call it enabling so much as not saying anything negative about them. But, tomato tomato. Its like the whole "very fine people on both times" comment is taken wayyy out of context. The full quote is:

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

This was in the middle of conversation about alt left and alt right groups. So when he says there are very fine poeple on both sides, thats what he meant. He didnt say there are very fine people in the neo-nazi group. In fact, in his words, he separates talking about neo-nazis and the side with the word "but". He clearly and distinctly said " they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group."
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Very fine people don't associate themselves with Nazis. It was the "Unite the Right" rally, and the KKK and the Nazis showed up and were literally united into the Right. Every opportunity was provided to the Right, and especially to Trump, to disavow the KKK and the Nazis, and they chose not to. And choices have consequences.
 
blackangst1 said:
I wouldnt call it enabling so much as not saying anything negative about them. But, tomato tomato. Its like the whole "very fine people on both times" comment is taken wayyy out of context. The full quote is:

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

This was in the middle of conversation about alt left and alt right groups. So when he says there are very fine poeple on both sides, thats what he meant. He didnt say there are very fine people in the neo-nazi group. In fact, in his words, he separates talking about neo-nazis and the side with the word "but". He clearly and distinctly said " they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group."
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I’m not talking about the “very fine people” quote from Charlottesville, I’m talking about Trump railing against ANTIFA and not against the group responsible for the rally in the first place (who’s admitted goal was to cause violence and overwhelm resources)
 
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