Right to die f- yeah!

Ns1

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I seriously can't believe the nerve of these parents. I KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR MY DAUGHTER EVEN THOUGH SHE HAS EXPRESSED OTHERWISE!

Everyone should have the right to die.

A cancer-stricken woman fighting a right-to-die battle against her parents won the backing of an appellate court Friday, which ruled that the 28-year-old bank manager from New York City who is paralyzed as a result of a brain tumor may decide her own fate.

The emotional case has been playing out in Grace SungEun Lee’s room at North Shore University Hospital on Long Island, and on a Facebook page, Save Grace SungEun Lee, created by those who sided with family members desperate to keep Lee on life support. As word of the appellate court’s decision spread Friday, the page was swarmed with comments from people arguing for and against it, underscoring the passionate debate that surrounds the issue of individuals’ rights to choose death over terminal illness.

Only two states, Oregon and Washington, permit people with terminal illnesses to request prescription medication to bring about death. But in all states, mentally competent adults may decide for themselves if they wish to go on with life-prolonging treatments even in the face of terminal illness.

That’s the situation Lee faced when she became paralyzed from the neck down in September as a result of a brain tumor and was given a few months to live. Lee has been on a ventilator since September, and her doctors at North Shore say she has clearly expressed a desire to be removed from life support to end the suffering.

Lee’s parents insist she is depressed and heavily medicated and in no position to make such a decision. The deeply religious couple also say that hastening death would be “a sin.”

“I cannot imagine my daughter is suicidal,” her father, Man Ho Lee, a minister at Antioch Missionary Church in the New York City borough of Queens, said at a news conference before the court’s ruling.

“I believe when someone sets a time and date to die, that is considered a suicide and a sin,” he said, speaking through a translator as Lee’s mother, Jin Ah Lee, wept. “It is very important for us to let doctors know … they have no right to take somebody's life.”

Lee added that, despite his daughter’s prognosis, he believes “she can win this battle.”

Jeffrey Forchelli, a lawyer representing the family, said that a hearing last week on the family’s request to extend a temporary restraining order keeping Lee on life support was “just a short hearing that really didn’t cover all the issues.” He had said a more comprehensive hearing was needed. The family had hoped to keep the order in place and be put in charge of their daughter's medical care.

The bottom line, Forchelli insisted, is that the parents “know best what their daughter thinks” and are convinced she wants to keep living.

On Wednesday, the family bolstered its argument by posting to YouTube a video they said shows Lee expressing to a cousin her desire to be moved into a nursing home and put under her parents' care. The video shows Lee, unmoving in a hospital bed and a tube in her throat, listening as a man leans in close and asks if she is willing to sign over her medical proxy to her father.

Lee cannot speak but moves her mouth, saying "yes," according to the cousin.

Newsday reported Friday that a spokesman for North Shore, Terry Lynam, was "in no rush" to take action. "Her attorney will be meeting with her to determine what her wishes are, and the hospital will abide by whatever she wants to do," Lynam said, according to Newsday.

The case is reminiscent of the long battle that pitted the husband of a Florida woman, Terry Schiavo, against Schiavo's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, after Schiavo collapsed and fell into a coma in 1990. But unlike Lee, who is fully conscious and, according to her lawyers and doctors, fully competent, Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state as her parents fought to keep her on life support.

Schiavo's husband, Michael, eventually prevailed in a court battle that lasted from 1998 until 2005. A judge ordered his wife's feeding tube removed in March 2005, and she di

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-right-to-die-20121005,0,1838503.story
 

Jaskalas

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She cannot move... is terminal.... it should be a sin to prolong it - ESPECIALLY against her will. FFS.
 

Juror No. 8

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There's no good reason why suicide or assisted suicide should be illegal. We each own our own body and life, so it's nobody's business if we wish to end it.
 

Darwin333

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There's no good reason why suicide or assisted suicide should be illegal. We each own our own body and life, so it's nobody's business if we wish to end it.

Lol, is suicide really illegal? I know that assisted suicide is illegal in a lot of states but suicide? Really?
 

Juror No. 8

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Suicide has historically been treated as a criminal matter in many parts of the world.
Whilst it is technically true that a person who has successfully committed suicide is beyond the reach of the law, there could still be legal consequences in the cases of treatment of the corpse or the fate of the person's property or family members. The associated matters of assisting a suicide and attempting suicide have also been dealt with by the laws of some jurisdictions.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation
 

CycloWizard

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It makes no sense to have a law banning suicide since there would obviously be no way to enforce it (who are you going to charge?). It is possible to outlaw attempting suicide as the survivor may place a significant burden on society. Such a law is likely worthless in practice unless it effectively deters such attempts by placing the financial burden of recovery on the attempter.

Assisted suicide is a completely different story. It is impossible to have a right to assisted suicide since, bu definition, it requires another to assist you. If you have a right to it, then the other is compelled to assist you regardless of their feelings on the issue. I cannot approach a random guy on the street and invoke my "right to die" as he would then be legally obliged to uphold my right by killing me. Thus, one can never have a right to die for the same reason one cannot have a right to potable water or plenty of other things.
 

Perknose

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I support the death penalty for suicide attempts! o_O

But seriously, as a society we are held hostage by the religious types and malpractice lawyers for what should be a personal right.
 

hal2kilo

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It makes no sense to have a law banning suicide since there would obviously be no way to enforce it (who are you going to charge?). It is possible to outlaw attempting suicide as the survivor may place a significant burden on society. Such a law is likely worthless in practice unless it effectively deters such attempts by placing the financial burden of recovery on the attempter.

Assisted suicide is a completely different story. It is impossible to have a right to assisted suicide since, bu definition, it requires another to assist you. If you have a right to it, then the other is compelled to assist you regardless of their feelings on the issue. I cannot approach a random guy on the street and invoke my "right to die" as he would then be legally obliged to uphold my right by killing me. Thus, one can never have a right to die for the same reason one cannot have a right to potable water or plenty of other things.

It just goes to show how much the authoritarian culture of religion wants to control your most personal moments of existence.
 

chucky2

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It is sad there sometimes more empathy for suffering animals than suffering humans...
 

CycloWizard

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It just goes to show how much the authoritarian culture of religion wants to control your most personal moments of existence.
I didn't use any religious argument. So no, it doesn't just go to show anything about religion. Instead, your post just goes to show how much authoritarian government forcing crappy education on the masses has compromised the literacy of the public. :colbert:
 

Juror No. 8

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It just goes to show how much the authoritarian culture of religion wants to control your most personal moments of existence.

People who worship a God or religion are no less authoritarian than those who worship the State or a politician.

Religious devotion comes in many shapes and sizes.
 

alzan

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People who worship a God or religion are no less authoritarian than those who worship the State or a politician.

Religious devotion comes in many shapes and sizes.

Worship the State?

Explain.

On topic: She is a mature woman who has little if any chance of a meaningful recovery. She, not her parents, has the right to determine her continued existence.
 

nanette1985

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I am not in good health - this is yet another thing that my lawyer insisted on putting in my end-of-life medical directive (because my ex-husband's family is intensely religious) Damn, this stuff is complicated.

Feel sorry for her parents who are trying to do the right thing according their own beliefs. Also feel sorry for her - this shows how difficult it is to get the end-of-life situation that you want.

Sending prayers and good wishes out to her.
 

Ns1

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On topic: She is a mature woman who has little if any chance of a meaningful recovery. She, not her parents, has the right to determine her continued existence.

The problem is her parents do not believe science and instead are blinded by faith.

Lee added that, despite his daughter’s prognosis, he believes “she can win this battle.”
 

MustISO

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I so want this to be legal. Everyone should have the right to say when it's enough and have a dignified way of ending it.
 

Wreckem

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It is legal to refuse medical treatment and life support. She has done so. The Dr's felt she was competent. The court believes she was competent. She should be allowed to die.

This is why people need advanced directives that if that if there is no chance of recovery that they do not wish to have artificial nutrition and mechanical support. Advanced directives are rarely overruled. Dr's judging someones competency is.
 

ModerateRepZero

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update: she was upheld in her right to make her own medical decision. But she decided to stay on life support for now because *drumroll*......

Of Ms. Lee’s apparent change of heart, Mr. Smith said: “When I asked her if she’s doing this to make peace with her parents, she told me she was doing it to make peace with her parents and to make peace with God.”

Of course if you keep on pressuring someone with the religion ("you're going to hell; it's a sin, etc. etc.) and guilt card, it's not a surprise people would change their mind.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/n...d-and-decides-to-stay-on-life-support.html?hp
 

Ns1

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update: she was upheld in her right to make her own medical decision. But she decided to stay on life support for now because *drumroll*......



Of course if you keep on pressuring someone with the religion ("you're going to hell; it's a sin, etc. etc.) and guilt card, it's not a surprise people would change their mind.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/n...d-and-decides-to-stay-on-life-support.html?hp

Clearly it is her parents and god's wishes that she suffers