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Right to complain about fracking contamination is now in the Texas Courts

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Oldgamer

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Appeals court in Texas allows $3 million defamation suit to proceed against homeowner for complaining about contaminated water from fracking

...a free speech dispute that has landed in Texas’ highest court – the biggest test of a state law meant to curb attempts to stifle public protest.

Steve Lipsky’s tainted water well had already stirred national debate about the impacts of oil and gas production. Now it stars in a free speech dispute that has landed in Texas’ highest court – the biggest test of a state law meant to curb attempts to stifle public protest.

So much methane has migrated into the well on Lipsky’s Parker County estate that he can ignite the stream that flows from it with the flick of a barbeque lighter. The Wisconsin transplant blames the phenomenon on nearby gas drilling in the Barnett Shale. In the past three years, he has shared those suspicions in Youtube videos, the film Gasland Part II and in news reports.

Range Resources, the accused local driller, has maintained it is not to blame. In 2011 it filed a lawsuit against Lipsky, his wife Shyla Lipsky and Alisa Rich, a toxicologist the couple hired to test their well. The $3 million suit alleges the three conspired to “defame and disparage” Range and force federal regulators to intervene. Range representatives did not respond to interview requests.

In 2010, the Environmental Protection Agency charged Range with tainting the well and ordered the company to provide drinking water to Lipsky and a neighbor. But the agency withdrew that order after the Railroad Commission of Texas said Range was not linked to the contamination.

Following more complaints from Lipsky and his neighbors, the commission took a second look at the contamination. Its report last May said evidence was “insufficient” to implicate the driller. The methane “may be attributed” to unrelated processes, including migration from the shallower Strawn formation, which lies just beneath the aquifer, the report concluded. “Further investigation is not planned at this time.”

Independent scientists are still studying the neighborhood's wells.

Attorneys for the Lipskys and Rich have asked courts to dismiss the defamation suit, pointing to a 2011 tort reform law intended to protect free speech. The law opens the door for the early dismissal of meritless legal claims filed to intimidate critics — so-called Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation, or SLAPPs, that seek to quiet opponents by drowning them in legal fees.

“It’s them trying to intimidate other people, meaning, ‘How dare you ever accuse us of something like this?’” Lipsky, who pays $1,000 a month to truck in water from nearby Weatherford, said of Range.

Range has taken issue with a number of Lipsky’s assertions, including that the company contaminated the well, that Lipsky could literally light his water on fire (rather than the gas flowing within the water), and that the company treated the Lipskys like “criminals.”

After a lower court allowed Range’s lawsuit to proceed, the Second District Court of Appeals in Fort Worth ordered that court to set aside all charges except the defamation and disparagement allegations against Steve Lipsky. The court said Range provided no clear evidence that the others had conspired with him.

Now, the Texas Supreme Court will weigh in, with oral arguments set for Dec. 4. First Amendment lawyers, who say lower courts have inconsistently applied the law, will watch closely.

“It’ll be nice if the Texas Supreme Court could provide us with a nice clear interpretation of that evidentiary standard,” said Alicia Calzada, an associate at the law firm Haynes and Boone.

In court documents, Range argues that the “case is important because it illustrates that dangerous and chilling effect” of the 2011 law when it is “misconstrued or misapplied.”

Joe Sibley, a lawyer for the Lipskys, said the only chilling effect came from Range’s actions. “That’s exactly what the first amendment is for – it’s to allow people to express those ideas,” he said. “This is probably the poster child for what SLAPP is.”

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Looks like these fracking companies are going after many homeowners for publicly complaining about their contaminated water. This looks like big corporations "muzzling" people to me.

Link to article
 
I remember this case, the homeowner and so called consultant faked gas coming out of the homeowners well being able to burn. This should be interesting to see how it turns out. I suspect the homeowner and consultant will lose.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02/17/3744111/owner-of-contaminated-water-well.html

A judge has concluded that a Parker County resident, owner of a methane-contaminated water well, created a "deceptive video" that was "calculated to alarm the public into believing the water was burning."

State District Judge Trey Loftin said well owner Steve Lipsky collaborated with Alisa Rich, an environmental consultant.

Loftin made his remarks in an order, signed Thursday, denying a motion by Lipsky and Rich to dismiss Range Resources' multimillion-dollar counterclaim against them
 
Right to complain about fracking contamination is now in the Texas Courts

I think your title mischaracterizes the issue. I see no problem with "complaining" about fracking.

I see a problem with making accusations that you cannot support.

I.e., all I see is a regular defamation suit.

Since it's survived two court cases I think it likely there is substance to the case. But, yes, defamation laws exactly for that reason: To 'muzzle' people spreading false allegations.

Fern
 
I think your title mischaracterizes the issue. I see no problem with "complaining" about fracking.

I see a problem with making accusations that you cannot support.

I.e., all I see is a regular defamation suit.

Since it's survived two court cases I think it likely there is substance to the case. But, yes, defamation laws exactly for that reason: To 'muzzle' people spreading false allegations.

Fern

One problem with your statement/opinion is that the guy has proof.

So much methane has migrated into the well on Lipsky’s Parker County estate that he can ignite the stream that flows from it with the flick of a barbecue lighter. His neighbors are experiencing the same issues. The water is undrinkable and unusable.

So he has a right to speak out and complain and demand that they clean up his water. This is just another sneaky way of a big corporation to "twist" this into a defamation thing, and try to force people into being quiet, effectively silencing them. It is in fact his right to free speech. If anything he and his neighbors have grounds for a large class action lawsuit.
 
One problem with your statement/opinion is that the guy has proof.

So much methane has migrated into the well on Lipsky’s Parker County estate that he can ignite the stream that flows from it with the flick of a barbecue lighter. His neighbors are experiencing the same issues. The water is undrinkable and unusable.

So he has a right to speak out and complain and demand that they clean up his water. This is just another sneaky way of a big corporation to "twist" this into a defamation thing, and try to force people into being quiet, effectively silencing them. It is in fact his right to free speech. If anything he and his neighbors have grounds for a large class action lawsuit.


Lets assume that this is true (Bolded). It doesn't matter, unless he can prove where it came from and what caused it.

His claim that it was due to the fracking is not a proven fact = Defamation.

The Railroad Commission determined in 2011 that methane in Lipsky’s well was from a shallow natural gas formation that Lipsky’s water well had tapped, rather than from the much-deeper Barnett Shale. In 2012, the EPA unexpectedly withdrew an emergency order it had issued against Range, which has long contended that its gas wells were not the source of the methane.

Methane is a naturally occuring gas and gets into wells all the time:

http://water.ky.gov/groundwater/Lis...tachments/1/GW-MethaneGasAndYourWaterWell.pdf

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/wells/waterquality/methane.html#inwells

http://ohiowatersheds.osu.edu/node/1491

http://environment.gov.ab.ca/info/library/8347.pdf
 
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Lets assume that this is true (Bolded). It doesn't matter, unless he can prove where it came from and what caused it.

His claim that it was due to the fracking is not a proven fact = Defamation.

The Railroad Commission determined in 2011 that methane in Lipsky’s well was from a shallow natural gas formation that Lipsky’s water well had tapped, rather than from the much-deeper Barnett Shale. In 2012, the EPA unexpectedly withdrew an emergency order it had issued against Range, which has long contended that its gas wells were not the source of the methane.

Methane is a naturally occuring gas and gets into wells all the time:

http://water.ky.gov/groundwater/Lis...tachments/1/GW-MethaneGasAndYourWaterWell.pdf

http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/wells/waterquality/methane.html#inwells

http://ohiowatersheds.osu.edu/node/1491

http://environment.gov.ab.ca/info/library/8347.pdf


The Railroad commission according to the article and the one they linked to on them dismissing and making said claim is paid and taken care of by the fracking company. There is a conflict of interest and that is why he and his neighbors have taken this to the courts. Naturally occurring Methane in this very high amount that suddenly has appeared has not been proven either as being a naturally occurring source. They didn't have this issue with their water prior to the fracking. None of them did.
 
I remember this case, the homeowner and so called consultant faked gas coming out of the homeowners well being able to burn. This should be interesting to see how it turns out. I suspect the homeowner and consultant will lose.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02/17/3744111/owner-of-contaminated-water-well.html
Of course they will. A bill allowing fracking has just been passed in NC. One of the conditions in the bill is to make it a felony to make public the chemicals that are used in process.

Big energy has totally bought both state and federal legislatures, and own these political whores totally.
 
The Railroad commission according to the article and the one they linked to on them dismissing and making said claim is paid and taken care of by the fracking company. There is a conflict of interest and that is why he and his neighbors have taken this to the courts. Naturally occurring Methane in this very high amount that suddenly has appeared has not been proven either as being a naturally occurring source. They didn't have this issue with their water prior to the fracking. None of them did.

They also showed that the well was not properly cased nor vented. I guess the Railroad Commission rigged the well that way so that methane would get into the well.
 

From the article:

So far, officials have determined that at least nine of those contamination cases are not drilling-related; they are likely the result of a water well intersecting with gas underground. But the Ellsworth's well -- which has stronger evidence tying it to drilling -- remains a mystery.

This only means that they do not know.
 
Conservatives are for tort reform, but only to protect the corporations,which are "people" in conservative Newspeak, from entities formerly known as the "people."
 
From the article:



This only means that they do not know.
I have a hard time believing these are not drilling-related. I can easily believe the gas is not from the wells themselves - that should be easily testable. However, the whole point of fracking is to shatter stone barriers, allowing gas or oil from surrounding areas to escape into the well where is may be recovered without the expense of sinking a new well. The shattering sends a shock wave throughout the surrounding area which can also shatter barriers some distance away, in some cases releasing pockets of methane into potable water wells. In a lot of places, underground formations exist under high tensions, and such a shock can easily make tensioned rock shatter or shift. My wife's former next door neighbor ruined their well by terraforming the land above; no explosions, but just the weight reduction in some places made things deep underground shift to the point that water flow was reduced to a trickle even though the work was not near the well itself. Something cracked and/or shifted so that the aquifer into which they were tapped either became isolated or drained.
 
I have a hard time believing these are not drilling-related. I can easily believe the gas is not from the wells themselves - that should be easily testable. However, the whole point of fracking is to shatter stone barriers, allowing gas or oil from surrounding areas to escape into the well where is may be recovered without the expense of sinking a new well. The shattering sends a shock wave throughout the surrounding area which can also shatter barriers some distance away, in some cases releasing pockets of methane into potable water wells. In a lot of places, underground formations exist under high tensions, and such a shock can easily make tensioned rock shatter or shift. My wife's former next door neighbor ruined their well by terraforming the land above; no explosions, but just the weight reduction in some places made things deep underground shift to the point that water flow was reduced to a trickle even though the work was not near the well itself. Something cracked and/or shifted so that the aquifer into which they were tapped either became isolated or drained.

I agree. There are thousands of things that could happen naturally, inadvertently or on purpose that "could " cause methane to seep into their well.

The lawsuit however is over the defamation of the company claiming facts where there are no facts known about what caused the methane. The only study I have seen that has been done is by the Railroad Commission that says the methane was from natural causes when the well penetrated a gas pocket.

In light of that we have nothing else to go on.
 
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