Riddle of the A8N-SLI POST problem solved !

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Let me just say that despite the problem I encountered, things are back to normal now, and I still think it's a good board, it just has a few pitfalls which you need to be aware of.

It all began really great, the build was very easy and everything worked flawlessly, I didn't even need to modify anything after turning it on for the first time. I updated to the latest beta bios (1003.005) which has the pci lock option, and also proceeded to overclock my 3000+ winchester to 9x265 and had a prime 95 stabe system (with a single 6600GT). This continued for about a week.

The problems started when I decided to open the box to add a USB connector, I noticed the stupid EZ selector thingy is actually plugged in the dual card position. So I decided to switch it to single. I also remembered that initially I disabled the ez-plug warning in the bios, so I thought maybe that would no longer be required now that the selector is on single.

Anyways, afterwards the system had lots of problem booting, sometime it would hang at the POST screen, sometime not even display the POST screen (no video), but occasionally (especially after powering down the PSU and up again) it would post and load the OS. I tried moving the stupid EZ card back to dual mode, also tried to plug a molex power cable into the EZ plug (didn't do that before because I thought it's only for SLI setups) but it still persisted with its POSTing problems. Also tried reducing the overclock (when it did POST which was rare) but that also didn't help.

Finally I cleared the CMOS and now the system boots just fine. So it's quite clearly a BIOS issue. I plan to go back to the stable non-beta BIOS version 1002, but I am disappointed with ASUS for putting out a BIOS with such problems. It looks like the beta bios is buggy and doesn't like when too many things are changed, Also this whole EZ selector card and EZ plug thingy is idiotic, there must be an easier way to set up SLI without all these switches. I thought we're supposed to be jumper free these days. I guess they call it EZ to dupe people into believing it's easy, but compared to what people expect today as far as setting up a board, it's anything but "EZ".


Update: I think I figured out the cause of the POSTing problem with the 1003.005 bios !!! At least the external reason....well here it goes, as you know everything was fine until I opened the box and TURNED OFF THE PSU (either disconnect from power outlet or shut it off using the PSU switch). When you turn off the PSU, the green LED on the mobo turns off as well. After you turn the PSU back on - YOU WILL START HAVING PROBLEMS WITH POST !!!! You will need to clear the CMOS to be able to POST normally again. So bottom line is that the 1003.005 bios has a bug which causes it to corrupt the CMOS when the PSU is turned off (not when the computer's front panel power switch is pressed).
 

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Now that it's working again, with the EZ selector on dual just like before, I'm hesitant about moving in to single because I;m afraid that the POSTING problems will return. And anyway, the system is fine and stable and has good performance, so why is it even necessary to switch the stupid thing to single ? (the board came with the EZ selector on dual, and I didn't even notice it initially). Did people who don't run SLI change their selector to single or does it work fine in dual as well ?
 

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i have 1002 bios and a single video card, with the ez selector in single mode, but i have my video card in the black slot (it gave me a red light once i did that, but i just plugged a molex into the ez connector and got the plug wires that came with the graphics card and connected it to the ez connector via an inline molex plug) , i'm pretty sure it wouldn't work if i had the video card in the blue slot before, too afraid to move it now. ;)
 

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Built my system and befoure posting I moved the EZ-Selector to single, and I pluged my Video card into the 1st slot, but I also pluged in the EZ-Conector just be sure I had stable power, and I pluged in all my USB and Firewire ports. I have not updated my BIOS and it posted and has been running fine for almost a week. My sugestion is unless you really need to OC atm I would just wait for a full new BIOS version to come out. I am doing the same...it can just cause too many problems;)
 

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Update: I think I figured out the cause of the POSTing problem with the 1003.005 bios !!! At least the external reason....well here it goes, as you know everything was fine until I opened the box and TURNED OFF THE PSU (either disconnect from power outlet or shut it off using the PSU switch). When you turn off the PSU, the green LED on the mobo turns off as well. After you turn the PSU back on - YOU WILL START HAVING PROBLEMS WITH POST !!!! You will need to clear the CMOS to be able to POST normally again. So bottom line is that the 1003.005 bios has a bug which causes it to corrupt itself when the PSU is turned off (not when the computer's front panel power switch is pressed).

I figured this out after it happened again, immediatly after I disconnected the power cable from the wall outlet, and then re-connected and tried to power on. The same POST problems returned, and I had to clear the CMOS again, at which point it returned to booting flawlessly (so far). I still haven't flahed the BIOS back to the official stable version 1002, because the friggin ASUS bios update utility in windows does not allow to flash to older version !!! it says you have to use the DOS floppy method. Another annoyance, courtesy of ASUS company ! I don't even have a floppy connected right now.

Comments anyone? Can people verify this ? Anyone running the 1003.005 bios can try it by disconnecting the power cable from the wall and reconnecting (or just turn the PSU off for a few seconds). Come on,,, you'll have to do it sometime anyway. But be warned, you will have POST problems, so you'll have to clear the CMOS to get it working again.
 

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People are having trouble with the monitors.

If you have a pure digital monitor (does not have analog connector).

Many like Apple CInema, HDTV LCD and Plasmas, the SLI only runs in native resolution, when they run a game that goes down to a lower resolution the screen becomes garbaje.

That is why people have turning SLI of so they can play games...

The idea of SLI is to play games at high resolution so many people bought a high resolution monitor with the rig.
 
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User1234, I am having posting problems. Heres the story, now that I think about it. Last night I took my computer to a friends house to install windows, drivers, etc. And now that I think about it, I did use the Asus Update to update to the newer bios. Restarted computer etc, everything was working fine. I then take my computer home. Upon hooking everything up at my house, no posting, nothing, just every fan turning on (case fans, GPU fan, CPU fan, chipset fan) and the LEDs on my case.

Now, I'm trying to use the jumper switch to clear the CMOS but I'm having no luck, it isn't working. How are you cleaing the CMOS? Walk me through the steps you're using. You and I have VERY similar system builds (I have the same RAM, same graphics card, AMD 64 3200+, similar harddrive), so I hope what you're doing works for me. Thanks.
 

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GodLovesPunk12345 (nice alias) - your symptoms and the chain of events leading to them are exactly in line with my scenario and with my theory of what's causing the problem. I read many other stories like ours, and I think most cases are related to this problem.

To clear the CMOS - I turned off and unplugged the PSU, then moved the CMOS jumper (located next to the round battery) to be over the right two pins (2-3) and wait 10 seconds, then move it back to pins (1-2). Plug the PSU back to the outlet and turn it on, then turn on the machine. Note that I did not remove the battery like the manual says, because I don't think it's really neccessary (never had to do it in previous boards I worked with). Please try it and let me know if it worked. A lot of people are having this problem, and many times they tend to think it's because they changed something in the bios, or in the hardware peripherals (incl. disks and expansion cards) they have connected. I also thought so initially, but after it happened a couple more times, without me changing anything (excpet disconnecting from power), I realized it must be the cause. I haven't verified that it happens only on the beta bios 1003.005, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen with the offficial 1002, as this kind of problem would have been discovered in longer-term testing.

btw, you can check your bios version using the asus update utility in windows, it has an option to get bios information.
 
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Tried clearing the CMOS several times. I can't get anything to display. When I plug my monitor into the graphics card, it flickers and makes a noise like its turning on and goes into the monitor self test. When I try turning on the computer nothing happens but all my fans turning on. I do have a crappy PSU, but I had the system working with the power supply for the past 3 days (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) That would mean it decided to stop working when I transfered my computer home from a friends house (after updating drivers/bios via Asus Update).

I don't know what to do really. I'm going to test my RAM on a friends computer, get a new PSU tomorrow hopefully. I had planned to get a new PSU anyway because my current PSU isn't providing enough power to run both my CD-Roms. Only one would work upon computer start up, the other would finally get enough power to open and close once in Windows (which might not even be a PSU error but rather user error on jumper settings or something...)

I don't know much about PSUs, but when they go bad, do they totally die and not power anything? Or can they typically produce enough power to run low wattage items such as fans despite being dead?
 

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Longshot here but this worked for me when my rig was having display problems.

Shut down and disconnect power. Clear CMOS and then remove your video card. Re-connect power and boot without your video card. Now shut down again and re-boot with the card back in.

I have no idea why this worked for me but I did it after an ASUS rep recommended it and it worked.
 

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For me, and what I read of other people's experience, clearing the CMOS has worked like a charm, resurrecting the non-POSTing or POST hanging (fans indeed turn on fine) system back to normal working order. Actually this problem has given me an oppurtunity to re-visit the overclocking of the system and optimize a little more, so this time I managed to get the RAM working with a higher divider (DDR333 setting), so now the RAM is running at 217 mhz (vs 187 previously), and the htt is 265 mhz (same as before), cpu at 9x265=2385 mhz.

But since I'm still running the buggy beta bios, I'm sure that next time there's a power outage, I will have to clear the CMOS again. Doh ! Hopefully ASUS will release a fixed version of the bios by them.
 
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No dice for me.. tried doing what you recommended SkyBum... same issue.. just fans turning on.. nothing responding at all. Resetting the CMOS has done absolutely nothing; I feel like I'm doing it wrong when I've done it exactly how everyone has described how to do it (by completely powering down, moving the jumper over to prongs 2 and 3, waiting 10+ seconds, switching it back, powering up... but nothing happens.

Guess I just need a new board.. or new PSU, but I really think my PSU could at least load the BIOS if its turning everything on, including anything else I connect (more fans, HDD, CD-Rom etc..)
 

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I recommend you disconnect your CDROM and hardrive, just in case it is a PSU issue, you might be able to boot with less load, and the bios doesn't need storage drives to be able to POST. Also you should only leave one RAM module in there, just in case this is what causing the problem. The last thing I read could be an issue, is the stupid EZ card. If you fumbled with it, it might have become loose, so you may want to try to take it out and put it back in firmly. One guy said that was his problem.

Actually, if you never managed to boot after you flashed your bios, then there might have been a problem with the flashing process itself, like maybe you used a bad bios image file, or something. So in that case it's not just buggy bios code (like the friggin 1003.005 beta bio)s, it could be a completely corrupt bios code.

In that case, you need to re-flash the bios asap (not just clear the cmos), and I suspect you could still do it using the DOS floppy method, which is supposed to be failsafe - it is meant for situations when a flash has failed (like a crash during a bios flash), and the system is not able to POST. So I think that the failsafe method of re-flashing the bios should work regardless of what is the current situation of the bios. Try it.
 
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Yeah my current setup is just the graphics card, motherboard, cpu, and ram. Everything else is unplugged. I've firmly placed the EZ plug in single card mode. I've tried plugging a molex into the slot near the graphics card.. no difference. I really think its a bios issue, with the updated bios, and its REALLY aggrivating me that I cannot reset the CMOS, so nothing is changing.
 

user1234

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did you try flashing the bios using a floppy yet ?

read my previous post again on why this could help. And don't worry, I'm sure you'll sort it out evetually. Worst case is you replace the motherboard (I know it's a hassle). My friend, which is not very experienced in this stuff had a similar problem - he flashed the bios of his brand new MSI K8N mobo using the windows utility, but something went wrong (although he saw no error messages), so the machine did not POST when he tried to reboot. He ended up going back to fry's to replace it. But I'm still sure there is a failsafe way to flash a bios even if it's corrupted.
 
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I ordered my motherboard from Micer.com, however I think tomorrow I'm going to run up to Fry's and buy the same board, try it out and see if it works. If it does, I'll simply return the Fry's board (gotta love Fry's return policy =)) then RMA my board and thats that. If the same problem persists, its then probably my PSU, in which I'll return the Fry's board and buy a new PSU and see how that works.
 

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Update: I think I figured out the cause of the POSTing problem with the 1003.005 bios !!! At least the external reason....well here it goes, as you know everything was fine until I opened the box and TURNED OFF THE PSU (either disconnect from power outlet or shut it off using the PSU switch). When you turn off the PSU, the green LED on the mobo turns off as well. After you turn the PSU back on - YOU WILL START HAVING PROBLEMS WITH POST !!!! You will need to clear the CMOS to be able to POST normally again. So bottom line is that the 1003.005 bios has a bug which causes it to corrupt itself when the PSU is turned off (not when the computer's front panel power switch is pressed).

Right, I agree, I think many of the betas are buggy that way. Did you try 008? I notice that with this bios when you restart, the monitor does a complete regauss, like it should, resetting the signal or something like that. I did not experience that with the other betas. Perhaps that would fix it?
 

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I had the same issue. Clearing the cmos didn't seem to work for me either. I did flash the bios with 1003-008. Everything is good again. I 've rebooted, restarted, shutdown, powered off, simulated a power lose. Seems to be stable.
 

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Cool, I also plan to download and install it, but since it's coming from an unknown website, and not the official asus website, I'd like to verify it's the same as yours. Can you post the MD5 checksum of the 1008 bios image BIN file ? thanks
 

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I had the same POSTing issue with 1003-005. When I unplugged the power supply it wouldn't post. Got lucky with the CMOS reset fixing it. Now went back to 1002 and no more problems.

Good work user1234.

Scott
 

user1234

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The 1003.008 beta bios seems to be alright, as far as not having any POSTing issues after unplugging. I only tried did it a couple of times and it seems fine.
 

user1234

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Originally posted by: SMatson
I had the same POSTing issue with 1003-005. When I unplugged the power supply it wouldn't post. Got lucky with the CMOS reset fixing it. Now went back to 1002 and no more problems.

Good work user1234.

Scott


user1234 is sworn to help all who needs him
 

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this is my second mb, the first one had the same issue. I got replacement ram and mb the next day
However 3 weeks later, it's starting again

I have the same issues with no posting. It will not recover after a restart
I have to turn off the power supply, then turn it back on. 90% of the time, it will come back, if not , I start over

I am using 1002 bios. I tried 1003-006, and it would not boot into windows
maybe I will try 1003-008