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Rick Santorum lies about California Public University System.

While that specifically may not be true, the CSU and UC systems are completely fucked up and their priorities are way wrong.
 
While that specifically may not be true, the CSU and UC systems are completely fucked up and their priorities are way wrong.

Rick Santorum has killed 20 young boys for ritualistic sex practices.

That specifically may not be accurate, but he has some bad policies. So it's all good to say it.
 
Such bullshit, how can he even claim that 7 or 8 California Public Universities don't teach a course on American History. They all basically teach multiple courses on the subject outside of maybe UCSF, which is basically a medical/health sciences school. Really so ridiculous, that he would LIE like this.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40158_Rachel_Maddow_on_Rick_Santorums_Shameless_Lying

Maybe he means his version of American history?

Santorum is a slimy POS, I wouldn't be shocked at all to find this guy involved with some horrific deviant shit.
 
Santorum is on his way out of the race. He just wants to do it kicking and screaming like a spoiled baby brat having their drool soaked security blanky yanked away.

Good riddance. Why oh why do these Repub candidates have to resort to so much bald faced blatant lying all the time?
 
While that specifically may not be true, the CSU and UC systems are completely fucked up and their priorities are way wrong.

Agreed. The entire system has become a politically polarized training ground for the left's "progressive" movement. Of whom they have in the name of "social justice" pretty much hijacked the level of discourse and debate in the UC and CSU system by shouting down and completely dismissing those with dissenting voices. A recent article from a Debra J. Saunders at the SF Chronicle lays it out better then Rick's clumsy statements.


'University echo chamber drowns out diverse voices"

Political activism has drawn the University of California into an academic death spiral. Too many professors believe their job is to "advance social justice" rather than teach the subject they were hired to teach. Groupthink has replaced lively debate. Institutions that were designed to stir intellectual curiosity aren't challenging young minds. They're churning out "ignorance." So argues a new report, "A Crisis of Competence: The Corrupting Effect of Political Activism in the University of California," from the conservative California Association of Scholars.

The report cites a number of studies that document academia's political imbalance. In 2004, for example, researchers examined the voter registration of UC Berkeley faculty. They found a ratio of 8 Democrats for each Republican. While the ratio was 4:1 in the professional schools, in more political disciplines, the ratio rose to 17:1 in the humanities and 21:1 in social sciences.

Over the last few decades, the imbalance has grown. The report (found at sfg.ly/HjXiyV) noted, "The most plausible explanation for this clear and consistent pattern is surely that it is the result of discrimination in the hiring process."

UC Berkeley political science Professor Wendy Brown rejected that argument. (Yes, she hails from the left, she said, but she doesn't teach left.) The reason behind the unbalance, she told me, is that conservatives don't go to grad school to study political science. When conservatives go to graduate school, she added, they tend to study business or law.

"If the argument is that what is going on is some kind of systematic exclusion," then critics have to target "where the discouragement happens."

OK. Freshmen sign up for courses that push an agenda of "social justice." Most professors may try to expose students to views other than their own, but others don't even try. The message could not be clearer: In the universe where politics and academia converge, conservatives are freaks.

That's how ideologues self-replicate.

The fallout isn't simply political. The association scolds argue, "This hiring pattern has occurred just as the quality of a college education has sharply declined."

Campus reading lists require trendy books instead of challenging authors, like Shakespeare, who can draw students deeper into the English language. Teach-ins are notoriously one-sided. College graduates today are less proficient as readers than past graduates. The National Center for Education Statistics found that only 31 percent of college graduates could read and explain a complex book. In 1961, students spent an average of 24 hours per week on homework; today's students study for 14 hours per week.

At the same time, grades have risen. "Students often report that all they must do to get a good grade is regurgitate what their activist professors believe," quoth the report.

While she had not read the report, Brown doesn't dispute that today's students have trouble writing a "deep, thoughtful essay" about a passage from Hobbes or Milton Friedman.

"If Shakespeare were required, I would be thrilled," Brown stressed. But: "Don't pick on liberals for this." Universities have cut back on core requirements because students, parents and alumni revolt.

That may be, but in ideologically lopsided academia, there aren't enough voices to stand up for educating students about, say, the U.S. Constitution. Besides - this is me, not the report - in pushing protests, faculty essentially have assured students that they already know enough to occupy Sacramento. Only a third of them can read and explain complex material, but students already know better than lawmakers and voters how best to pay for education. Why study?

The proof is in academia's acceptance of this imbalance. The old, discredited excuse about why women didn't work in management that I heard when I was young - because they didn't want to - now somehow works for the left when it comes to conservatives and academia.

As for UC administrators, "A Crisis in Competence" concludes, "far from performing their role as the university's quality control mechanism, (they) now routinely function as the enablers, protectors, and even apologists for the politicized university and its degraded scholarly and educational standards."

Like so many other ailing institutions, they don't know how to change to save themselves.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/01/INLN1MNUVT.DTL


Edit: A nice real world example of this turn of events in the death of debate and discussion in the UC and CSU system would be the level of vitriol which was directed at conservative students who hosted a bake sale to highlight the flaws in affirmative action polices a few months ago at UC Berkeley versus the near dead silence and passive commentary on Louis Farrakhan recent speech given on the same UC Berkeley campus. It was a speech mind you where he mocked Asians with a faux imitation of an Asian ascent and issues a veiled warning to Jewish students who support a strike on Iran.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/11/BAA91NIPG9.DTL
 
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Since I have to listen to the left cry about Fox news links I just thought it would be fair if I whined about little green football links. Isn't turnabout fair play?

Sure that's fair but you said we and should have said I, unless your speaking for someone besides yourself.
 
Agreed. The entire system has become a politically polarized training ground for the left's "progressive" movement. Of whom they have in the name of "social justice" pretty much hijacked the level of discourse and debate in the UC and CSU system by shouting down and completely dismissing those with dissenting voices. A recent article from a Debra J. Saunders at the SF Chronicle lays it out better then Rick's clumsy statements.




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/01/INLN1MNUVT.DTL


Edit: A nice real world example of this turn of events in the death of debate and discussion in the UC and CSU system would be the level of vitriol which was directed at conservative students who hosted a bake sale to highlight the flaws in affirmative action polices a few months ago at UC Berkeley versus the near dead silence and passive commentary on Louis Farrakhan recent speech given on the same UC Berkeley campus. It was speech mind you where he mocked Asians with a faux imitation of an Asian ascent and issues a veiled warning to Jewish students who support a strike on Iran.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/11/BAA91NIPG9.DTL

While I could nitpick certain things in the article as not representing a full spectrum of causes. I think as an aggregate it's compelling.
 
So I'm going to go a bit off topic but we can all agree santorum is a nutcase, so....

Agreed. The entire system has become a politically polarized training ground for the left's "progressive" movement. Of whom they have in the name of "social justice" pretty much hijacked the level of discourse and debate in the UC and CSU system by shouting down and completely dismissing those with dissenting voices. A recent article from a Debra J. Saunders at the SF Chronicle lays it out better then Rick's clumsy statements.




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/01/INLN1MNUVT.DTL


Edit: A nice real world example of this turn of events in the death of debate and discussion in the UC and CSU system would be the level of vitriol which was directed at conservative students who hosted a bake sale to highlight the flaws in affirmative action polices a few months ago at UC Berkeley versus the near dead silence and passive commentary on Louis Farrakhan recent speech given on the same UC Berkeley campus. It was speech mind you where he mocked Asians with a faux imitation of an Asian ascent and issues a veiled warning to Jewish students who support a strike on Iran.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/11/BAA91NIPG9.DTL

I got a lot of lols out of the whole bake sale shenanigans -- the group with the bake sale was basically trolling and I found the response hilarious. That said, while a lot of the humanities viewpoints certainly leaned left at UC berkeley when I was there (recently) it should be noted that the sciences (you know, real ones) and the humanities are worlds apart from each other. A lot of my friends in the sciences (chem, bio, physics) viewed the crazies on the far left (who tended to take poli sci, anthropology, sociology, etc, and will run down freeway onramps before complaining that their rights were violated for being punished for such an act) as complete morons. I don't think they were very far off the mark. That said, there were a nearly equal number of morons on the right, you just don't hear about them as much outside of Berkeley. Having a voter registration drive where they set up a desk next to a big "9/11" written using flags in memorial glade? Stay classy, republicans. Stay classy.

A similar event happened at UCSD with the "compton cookout" or whatever it was called a year or two ago. A few students hosted a party where the facebook event called for people to dress, essentially, ghetto with many racial overtones. I thought it was hilarious, but the black student union went into a fit about it, ignoring the fact that an african american student was involved in planning the whole thing out which was tongue in cheek to begin with.
 
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Santorum is a complete idiot, and he's wrong of course that the courses are not being taught.

Ducati, thanks for the links. The article you quoted matches up very well with my experiences at several large universities. It's not as bad as UC of course, but it appears that the universities are becoming the echo chamber for the left, much like talk radio is the echo chamber of the right.

If you look at the ratios (dems to repubs) among the professors, it's similar to the ratio among the general media -- it's highly skewed to the left. They can say all day long that it doesn't impact their reporting or teaching, but we all know that's complete bullshit.
 
Since I have to listen to the left cry about Fox news links I just thought it would be fair if I whined about little green football links. Isn't turnabout fair play?

The funny thing is that just a few years ago, people on the left would have been complaining about LGF links. That guy is an interesting character . . .
 
Rick Santorum has killed 20 young boys for ritualistic sex practices.

That specifically may not be accurate, but he has some bad policies. So it's all good to say it.
If only Perry were still in the race it would be possible to call a GOP candidate a psychopathic murderer and it would actually be true, for extra bonus points!
 
Rick Perry has not murdered anyone, despite his abundance of other character flaws.
Legally no, morally yes.

Rick Perry is personally culpable for the wrongful death of Cameron Todd Willingham. He shoved his fingers in his ears, refusing to do the right thing because Texans "believe in the death penalty", and to admit that the system could be as flawed as it is would implode his psychotic bubble and that of likeminded voters.
 
Without touching on the issue of Willingham's guilt or innocence (the issue isn't as clear-cut as you make it out to be) the governor of Texas does not have the ability to commute death sentences. All he can do is issue a one time 30-day stay.
 
Interesting to hear about how fucked up the UC system is from people who didn't go there. It is, without a doubt, the finest public university system in the United States.
 
Without touching on the issue of Willingham's guilt or innocence (the issue isn't as clear-cut as you make it out to be) the governor of Texas does not have the ability to commute death sentences. All he can do is issue a one time 30-day stay.

Shhhhhhh... don't get in the way of his absolute certainty based on nothing at all.
If Perry cared about justice in this case there is a fair amount he could have done to affect the outcome. A pardon or commutation wasn't within his power, but a stay coupled with, say, speaking out for sanity could reasonably have changed the outcome dramatically.

"Based on nothing at all" is a blatant lie. Perry has never wavered from his public position that Texas has never executed an innocent person. That is an insane claim - even moreso for someone who has had his level of access. The fact that he clings to this notion in order to protect his worldview from modification is solid evidence for his psychopathy.

But anyways this is all irrelevant and inconsequential. I care about Perry about as much as I care about Santorum. PokerGuy, if you want the last word you can have it. I won't be psoting in this thread about Perry any more.
 
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California is loaded with colleges and Universities with special focus areas and in close proximity. So said colleges and Universities often have co-operative agreements with each other to teach history in one college and science in another.

Its more cost efficient and better public policy which goes a long way to explain why Santorium is against it.
 
Interesting to hear about how fucked up the UC system is from people who didn't go there. It is, without a doubt, the finest public university system in the United States.

Indeed. I went to grad school in the UC system and I think it's actually one of the best educational values in the world. Santorum is obviously kind of in his death throes, but his anti-education initiative is just bizarre to me. He is clearly a bright man and knows better, so it's hard to see this as anything but pandering to the dumber members of the GOP.
 
Indeed. I went to grad school in the UC system and I think it's actually one of the best educational values in the world. Santorum is obviously kind of in his death throes, but his anti-education initiative is just bizarre to me. He is clearly a bright man and knows better, so it's hard to see this as anything but pandering to the dumber members of the GOP.

I went to undergrad at UC San Diego and I was incredibly impressed by the quality of the faculty there. When I went to grad school at NYU I was shocked at how much better UCSD's program was than that of a supposedly elite university.

While I was fortunate enough not to have to pay for either of my degrees, the annual tuition at UC San Diego when I went there was somewhere around $9,000. Tuition at NYU is north of $40,000 per year. The quality of education you get at UC for what you pay is really fantastic.
 
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