Rick Perry and his "pastor problem"

[cubby1223]

Who fucking cares? Perry will not win the Presidency.

 

[cubby1223]

The GOP and all the famous GOP shills, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly, Spidey07 and FNE have insisted that the pastor with whom you associate is a direct reflection on you. There was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth at Rev Jeramiah Wright’s “God damn America” sermon. The quote in the context of the sermon wasn’t even bad. It essentially said if America doesn’t start doing right by its people God will curse America instead of bless it. This was the same thing uttered by Michelle Bachman in a speech to a Jewish group, but it didn’t seem to bother anyone.

These are the pastors/groups sponsoring and speaking at The Response, the prayer-a-palooza created by Rick Perry. Here are some of their greatest hits. Remember Perry invited them knowing what they have already said.
Does this mean Rick Perry is now unfit for POTUS?

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...-intolerant-hateful-vile-spiteful-pawns-devil

What you are supposed to do now, to show everyone that you're not just another partisan hack yourself (which I think most everyone here has their opinion firmly formed), is to take this the extra step and find out if Perry indeed shares all those views, or just some of them, or very few.

 

[trenchfoot]

Perry's pandering net caught a lot of rotten fish.

I'm having difficulty figuring out what's worse: a religious leader stinking of politics or a politician anointing himself a false prophet.

 

[SandEagle]

grass is greener in other pastors. this guy is a lost cause, move on.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

rick perry is an idiot. he is like dan quayle with downs syndrome. i cant believe anyone would vote for him

 

[Craig234]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mi...-completely-support-israel-god-will-curse-us/

This is a top candidate for President:

I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play.

She would be great for making the US a neutral third party for peace negotiations.

 

[Craig234]

Question for Michelle Bachmann:

Does Israel have an unconditional pass from President Bachmann for US support for any act it does, no matter how wrong the act is?

If not, how does she square it with her statement the US has to stand with Israel, period?

 

[trenchfoot]

rick perry is an idiot. he is like dan quayle with downs syndrome. i cant believe anyone would vote for him

Perry/Palin ticket.

And yet, it's some folks wet dream come true for completely opposing reasons.

 

[sportage]

Perry didn't organize a church.

He attended a prayer gather with a bunch of church leaders.

That Perry organized prayer event in Texas was as close to a church as you get. He preached, it was in a building, he had an audience, he conducted prayer. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Perry is a duck.

Point is... a star trek world apart comparing Obama simply sitting in and listening to a preacher, and then having Perry organizing a religious gathering. Obama did not organize any religious gathering, where he himself preached.

But I can see how some righties would fail to see the difference between Perry's escapades as an organizer, and Obama's simply attending a church where he had no say and no control as to what the preacher preached.

I know for a fact and personal experience, in nearly every church, the preacher from time to time goes off on some issue rant that makes the congregation cringe and squirm a little.
But then again, that is just part of the performance of the preacher (besides creating the perfect hair doo).

I sat in one time on a sermon where the preacher compared polishing stones for jewelry to polishing ones faith. After that sermon, I didn’t quite get the connection he was going for, too much rambling, but I left knowing the mechanical detail about how to polish and make jewelry out of stones. My new profession (just kidding).

 

[jackschmittusa]

ProfJohn

"Yea, people stage media events all the time with people they may not 100% agree with.

It is part of politics."

So, you agree that this was a "political event". That's at least a start for you understanding what he did.

Fern

"That's why when MSNBC or CNN has Ron Paul at an event/debate they are really endorsing his views."

How can you not see the difference? This was Perry's big introductory showcase. His intentionally national "Hay! This is me America!" show.

Not even remotely comparable to a news show presenting different perspectives.

I got the message, even if you didn't.

 

[BladeVenom]

rick perry is an idiot. he is like dan quayle with downs syndrome. i cant believe anyone would vote for him

And yet he's still better than Obama.

 

[Red Dawn]

And yet he's still better than Obama.

If you are a religious crackpot.

 

[Double Trouble]

I agree with Fern 100%. Before jumping to any conclusions based on some hack piece, I'd like to see the actual link between Perry and positions/statements. If it's something said by the head of some organization that Perry may have promoted or something, that's meaningless. If there was an organization that truly espoused crazy things and Perry was deeply personally involved with it for years (proving he supports those crazy things), then yes, I'd find Perry unfit to be president.

Perry has probably said a lot of nutty things that are recorded somewhere, and he's going to have to do some pretty nifty tapdancing to explain some of those, just like Obama threw Wright under the buss when he became politically inconvenient. That's just how it works.

 

[HomerJS]

I don't know "who you guys are", and I don't claim to speak for other people.

I'm a conservative, which is not necessarily the same as a Republican.

However, because I do feel that sitting in a church, or any other forum for that matter, listening to the kind of stuff the Rev Wright was spouting year-in and year-out for many years DOES mean something, so I'll responds.

First of all I don't know much about Rick Perry, but I think it incorrect, in the least if not downright disengenuous, to equate being at a speech and being at constant meetings for years-on-end. The two things are simply much different. FFS, all politicians, Dems & Repubs alike, campaign at events where there are many others in attendance with whom they do not agree with. To just attend the same event at some campaign rally is much different than spending every Sunday with them for years and having them as your personal advisor (only to throw them under the bus when they become buredensome).

so, IMO you're really reaching here. And you're badly mixing apple & oranges.

However, if R Perry attended this sort of stuff for years, leading me to believe he supported this sort of stuff, as Obama did with with his continued support of, and close relationship with Rev Wright, I'll never vote for him either.

But so far, I see nothing of the sort.

The Left claimed Obama was subject to assasination by association, not only wrt Wright but Mr. X (can't now recall the name of the anti-war bombing guy who is now a professor), so let us see how Perry is judged on this given the merits, or lack of.

Fern

Again, exactly what stuff did Wright "spout" that Obama heard that was supposidly so blasphamous? I've already vetted the GDA speech in the OP so you're going to have to do better then that.

 

[Double Trouble]

Again, exactly what stuff did Wright "spout" that Obama heard that was supposidly so blasphamous? I've already vetted the GDA speech in the OP so you're going to have to do better then that.

Just because you've "vetted" it doesn't mean other people would agree with that assessment. I've certainly not heard the full 20 years worth of crap that guy spouted, but the things I did hear/see/read were pretty damning (pun). He's a racist crackpot.

 

[HomerJS]

Just because you've "vetted" it doesn't mean other people would agree with that assessment. I've certainly not heard the full 20 years worth of crap that guy spouted, but the things I did hear/see/read were pretty damning (pun). He's a racist crackpot.

Unless you have a quote not just spouting talking points "you know that Wright guy has spouted a lot of crap over 20 years", your response = 0

At least I read Wright's speech that get the rights panties in a bunch. You won't discuss those specifics because then I can compare it to Michelle Bachman who actually wants to be President and I would get nothing but crickets.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I agree Obama is too open to compromise with the "my way or the highway" party.

 

[LumbergTech]

well at least we can be relieved that perry has been tanked already

 

[ElFenix]

BTW Obama is failing on all three things you care about, and that is according to the left.

of those 3 rick perry is failing at them

things rick has tried to do:
sell our roads to the spanish (didn't do it after everyone in texas told him he's a jackass)
attempt to run ut into the ground (we told him to gtfo immediately)
run texas a&m into the ground (did it for a while but the ags wised up eventually after no. 2 happened)

 

[Orignal Earl]

of those 3 rick perry is failing at them

things rick has tried to do:
sell our roads to the spanish (didn't do it after everyone in texas told him he's a jackass)
attempt to run ut into the ground (we told him to gtfo immediately)
run texas a&m into the ground (did it for a while but the ags wised up eventually after no. 2 happened)

Suggested 3 days of prayer to fix droughts
Killed this guy...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham