Richland & Kabini rumours

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  1. Abwx

    Abwx Diamond Member

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    Thanks for the infos..

    That makes CPU/GPU respective improvements for A10 and A8
    at 11-21% and 12-40% respectively.

    Seems that they focused on portable gears , we ll see if there will
    be desktop versions..
     
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    When was the last time better bins have made a difference? In the 4 years of following tech, the only time I've seen better bins effect anything was never. Merely process problems being fixed for volume or revisions improving chips.
    You mean AMD will be on 28nm when Intel hits 14nm?
     
  3. SiliconWars

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    Whoah nice.

    So this A6-1450 is the top "Temash" quad core, expected TDP ~5W, with double the performance of the Z60 in graphics and some 50%+ in x86.

    That means that this ~5W A6 1450 will have performance better than the current 18W E-450. Intel should be quite afraid.
     
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  4. Evleos

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    Richland = clock bump + larger GPU?
     
  5. Nemesis 1

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    Total CPU and GPU SHE say Cpu or APU she was talking over all . SO that could be 20% +30%= 50% I loved the demos against intels processors .
     
  6. Abwx

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    Likely the easiest way to improve the things a little bit ,
    still not significantly but a welcomed bump given that it
    is made at little if any cost.

    Edit : 11-12% frequency bump for the CPU is still
    a lot given the thermals of mobile SKUs.
    Might well be also an IPC improvement of a 2-5%.
     
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    20% and 30% would be 25% average improvement , unless
    you re using your usual Intel dedicated metric.....

    50% average could mean 30% CPU and 70% GPU....
     
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    Good point, maybe AMD improved it's memory controlers
     
  9. SiliconWars

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    Who cares about Richland? :p

    Temash is faster than Brazos at 1/3rd TDP.
     
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    Makes me wish I could use a Temash as my GPU! rofl xD
     
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    Actually the Z-60 has a TDP of 4.5W, so they are the same in that regard (TDP of less than 5W for Temash)

    *hmm I think I misread your post, I guess you were referring to Temash vs. E2-1800. Along that line of thought it is also interesting to note that the A8-5545 has almost the same GPU performance as the A10-4600, so they've managed to take the GPU performance of trinity at a TDP of 35W and fit it into a TDP of just 19W with Richland (assuming the A8-5545 and A8-4555 has the same TDP), which is arguably even more impressive given that they are on the same process (32 nm)
     
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    Ok so Richland is 32nm after all with GCN(or not?)- clock bumps on CPU/GPU side? Good news is that Kaveri is H2 2013 product now and not 2014(unless things change of course).
    Kabini/Temash look most impressive of all :).
     
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    Say what you want, that presentation painted the rosiest picture of AMD's roadmap I've seen yet.

    I still think 'connected standby' is a must have feature for those mobile SoCs though, still no word of that from the AMD side?
     
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    Watch the dang telacast she said it had total performance increase of 50 %The the cpu and the igpu didn't have 50% gains she said Total 50% improvement. I don't know how they arrived at that number . I do know thats not good enough tho . Its not worth debating Both chips will be arriving around the same time.
     
  15. dbcoopernz

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    AMD has put some benchmark numbers for Kabini, Temash, and Richland on their website.

    http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd_unveils_new_apus.aspx


    Some calculations:

    - 22% and 41% in 3DMark 11 for A10 and A8, respectively. (Richland)

    - 115% and 63% in 3DMark Vantage P and PCMark respectively. (Temash)

    - 88% in PCMark Vantage (Kabini)

    - 11% and 12% in PCMark 7 for A10 and A8 respectively (Richland)

    (A6 Richland)
     
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    I believe the highest Cstate is 6 . maybe 7 but 6 is what I recall . I thought the AMD pub cast would be better . But intels was better in my opion they demoed the gestures and face movements and eyemovement really well compared to what AMD showed . The Haswell at 7tdp was a pleasant surprize. I am more a Desktop guy and the direction this thing is going I not likeing much .
     
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    Thats some strange math your doing . the older one is the number thats used

    You went 1400 is what % of 1150. Thats not right . The old processor ran at 1150 and the new one at 1400 Which came first the chiken or the egg .

    I gotWhy do you want to use the new mark first . You want to go 1400 is what 18 % increase and 30 % without fussy mathCorrectly done it goes the old processor ran it at 1150 the new one at 1400 so it 1150 is what % of 1400= 82% 82-100= 18%

    You want to write it 1400 is what % of 1150 =122% 122-100= 22 You are comparing the old to the new not the new to the old fussy math
     
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    I was comparing the Richland A10 to the Trinity A10. Why would I not state increase over Trinity as the ratio of Richland to Trinity.
     
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    Because you're not insane.
     
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    Kitguru charted some extrapolations from performance claims by intel and AMD.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...vs-haswell-gt3-graphics-performance-analysed/

    Richland would still have a healthy performance lead over haswell, provided the numbers are accurate. I assume AMD's numbers are since they show actual scores with their performance claims. Has intel given any performance numbers to back up it's 2x increase over ivy bridge? Couldn't find.
     
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    Because trinity was first . So you take the trinity number and get % of the Richland which tells you how much faster richland is over trinity. I understand you want to use the bigger % increase but I don't believe thats the correct method to find an increase over an older product . Your way is fine I will just remember to use the same method The new 5 over the old . thats sounds great . I think the old is how much slower is the old compared to the new you get 82% so you subtract 82 from 100 % to get how much faster the new is which is the new 100% 1150/1400 x y/100 = 82.14 so its 18%
     
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    You think it should look like this 1400/1150x y/100=122 so you get 22%. I don't care how its done . I just want to do it the same way down the road . If ya get my meaning .
     
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    Thats not allowed in the cpu section . I don't care I just giving heads up .Pretty hard to insult me . pretty thick skinned
     
  24. dbcoopernz

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    Yeah, if the benchmark is a "score" where higher is better, then new/old is the logical way to go. If the benchmark is a "time to completion" style (like Sunspider), then old/new is the way to go (e.g. 100ms for new vs 200ms for old gives a new part that is twice as fast).
     
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    It released in the second Qt that means no products till the end of 2013 or beginning of 2014 Right inline with intels silvermont release Which is 60% faster than the 32nm atom WITH HT.PER CORE
     
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