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RightIsWrong

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LegendKiller, in all fairness and full disclosure, do you work for AIG? You have said in the past that you work for one of the biggest investment companies and you have addressed this topic as "we" when talking about AIG.

Also, you have created a few false dilemmas in this thread.

1. You have tried to make the case that if and AIG exec left we would not be able to realize any money that s/he would have been able to generate. What about that person's replacement? Are they automatically going to have a negative impact or is there the same possibility that they can generate the same $5MM and you saved the $300k "retention" bonus while generating the same revenue/results?

2. You claim that if all of this talent leaves, that there will be nothing left. Where are all of the BoA layoff people? What about the BS people? Or those that are still looking from other companies like LEH? They are just as capable and in the same position to poach talent from other companies as they are likely to lose talent to other companies. You try to make this a one way street when it obviously is not.

3. Your house analogy falls under the same crap as #2. You are trying to claim that AIG isn't allowed to make improvements to their property but others are allowed and/or invited to strip them blind. It's a pretty stupid case to make and I wouldn't have expected such a vapid argument from you.

4. You also try to make the case that if AIG doesn't get any bailout money and all of their talent leaves, the taxpayers see no benefit. Won't the company that they go to and make money for have to pay taxes on the extra revenue? Won't they have to pay additional taxes themselves? We are likely to see more coming in that form than we are anything from AIG. They are going to find a way to make sure that every executive gets very rich off of any sales way before they feel any obligation to pay back the taxpayers that kept them afloat after their own greed and/or incompetence made the company beg for $120BB+.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
LegendKiller, in all fairness and full disclosure, do you work for AIG? You have said in the past that you work for one of the biggest investment companies and you have addressed this topic as "we" when talking about AIG.

Also, you have created a few false dilemmas in this thread.

1. You have tried to make the case that if and AIG exec left we would not be able to realize any money that s/he would have been able to generate. What about that person's replacement? Are they automatically going to have a negative impact or is there the same possibility that they can generate the same $5MM and you saved the $300k "retention" bonus while generating the same revenue/results?

2. You claim that if all of this talent leaves, that there will be nothing left. Where are all of the BoA layoff people? What about the BS people? Or those that are still looking from other companies like LEH? They are just as capable and in the same position to poach talent from other companies as they are likely to lose talent to other companies. You try to make this a one way street when it obviously is not.

3. Your house analogy falls under the same crap as #2. You are trying to claim that AIG isn't allowed to make improvements to their property but others are allowed and/or invited to strip them blind. It's a pretty stupid case to make and I wouldn't have expected such a vapid argument from you.

4. You also try to make the case that if AIG doesn't get any bailout money and all of their talent leaves, the taxpayers see no benefit. Won't the company that they go to and make money for have to pay taxes on the extra revenue? Won't they have to pay additional taxes themselves? We are likely to see more coming in that form than we are anything from AIG. They are going to find a way to make sure that every executive gets very rich off of any sales way before they feel any obligation to pay back the taxpayers that kept them afloat after their own greed and/or incompetence made the company beg for $120BB+.

No, I do not work for AIG, I work for an investment bank.

1. These types of things are heavily relationship based. Large accounts will trail along with the people who traditionally serviced them, thus, revenue can shift quite a bit. I've seen entire IB teams leave one bank and go to another, non-competes may shut them down for 6-12mo, but after that, they attack the other clients quite aggressively, and win a huge portion of business. I've seen entire client lists be plundered in months without a NC, dropping revenues 80-90%.

2. There are tons of companies that will hire AIG execs and sales people. How many insurance companies, investment companies, and others, are out there that want to make money? A shit ton. I know that Swiss RE and Gen RE are hiring in certain areas. There's a reason why they are still hired, because they are good. There's a reason why people will hire them, because they're good and there is demand for them. A lot of the LEH and BSC people just don't have any demand.

3. It's only a stupid argument to somebody completely ignorant to how sales businesses work, especially at a high level such as this. There's a reason why they are worth millions, because they make tens of millions for their companies. I do expect such ignorant arguments from people who have no clue, so you're OK still.

4. LOL, taxes? Are you kidding me? Do you even understand TVM, or actual tax rates on net revenue? What if the company is foreign owned?

The very fact that you're stupid enough to think that a bird in the bush is worth more than one in the hand, means you've still got no idea how things like these damage the actual intrinsic value of a company.

The thing is, too many people are so ignorant of business, costs/revenue, profit/loss, how actual business works, which is part of the reason we got here. You can't even begin to see opportunity costs or investment losses. You think it's all black/white class war bullshit. You'd love to cut your nose off to spite your face. Such short-term thinking is what causes us to behave so irrationally in these markets.
 

RightIsWrong

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Nice rebuttal. So you are advocating that there be no reform or changing of the way things are done because they will always revert back to they way that they were because that is what has always happened.

And sometimes, it's hard to see the goal when you nose if so big it blocks your view. Sometimes rhinoplasty makes for beautiful results.
 

BoomerD

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He has a bridge, so do I, so do you, so do we all...it just happens to go nowhere. :D