Rice says French need to STFU and get in line with the rest of the plebes

[BaliBabyDoc]

of course I'm paraphrasing

Expatica
"Multipolarity was never a unifying idea or vision... it was a necessary evil that sustained the essence of war but did not promote peace," she said in an address to the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS.)

"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and, at its very worst, of competing values," she told the assembly of experts on international and security affairs.

"We tried it before... it led to the Great War, to the Second World War and to the Cold War," she said.

 

[shiner]

Once again she hits the nail on the head. She's going to make one hell of a President in 2008.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Admittedly, she's one of the few Republicans I think is worthy.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
of course I'm paraphrasing

Expatica
"Multipolarity was never a unifying idea or vision... it was a necessary evil that sustained the essence of war but did not promote peace," she said in an address to the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS.)

"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and, at its very worst, of competing values," she told the assembly of experts on international and security affairs.

"We tried it before... it led to the Great War, to the Second World War and to the Cold War," she said.

Could we have that in English?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
of course I'm paraphrasing

Expatica
"Multipolarity was never a unifying idea or vision... it was a necessary evil that sustained the essence of war but did not promote peace," she said in an address to the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS.)

"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and, at its very worst, of competing values," she told the assembly of experts on international and security affairs.

"We tried it before... it led to the Great War, to the Second World War and to the Cold War," she said.

Could we have that in English?

Cheers,

Esentially she is saying that capitalism(similar concept of competing actors in a free market) does not work in international power relations. Whether she is thinking of replacing that with a Hegemon (US) is debatable.

Andy

 

[Fencer128]

Esentially she is saying that capitalism(similar concept of competing actors in a free market) does not work in international power relations. Whether she is thinking of replacing that with a Hegemon (US) is debatable.

Sorry - still don't quite follow. How does capitilism not work in international relations?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Rice is saying a benevolent overlord will bring peace to the world by ending all conflict that it does not sanction. Peace cannot come by compromise b/c relative positions of power will always resist authority (US). Therefore, the only path to peace is through the forced subjugation of the majority by the overwelming force of the minority (US plus Allies with guns willing to use them at our whim).

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Rice is saying a benevolent overlord will bring peace to the world by ending all conflict that it does not sanction. Peace cannot come by compromise b/c relative positions of power will always resist authority (US). Therefore, the only path to peace is through the forced subjugation of the majority by the overwelming force of the minority (US plus Allies with guns willing to use them at our whim).

Ahhh - it's a neocon wet dream. I'll know where to file those global domination sentiments then if that's the case.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Actually this dream has legs. If the EU stood with the US . . . OK behind the US . . . the combined geopolitical, economic, and military power would dwarf almost any coalition short of a SinoRussoNippoIndo coalition. A united US/EU would not only control much of their respective hemispheres but its only a matter of time before they either bring the Middle East into the fold . . . or convert the region into friendlier regimes by any means necessary. Africa is in such disarray that recolonization wouldn't require much effort.

Under such a scenario . . . not only is resistance futile . . . it would pay big time to walk lockstep with the Big Dog. All you need is right of center leadership in the UK (on the way thnx to Blair's Blunder), right of center leadership in Germany (10% unemployment spells drouble for Schroeder), and right of center leadership in France (Chirac is a fascist in socialist vetements).

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
of course I'm paraphrasing

Expatica
"Multipolarity was never a unifying idea or vision... it was a necessary evil that sustained the essence of war but did not promote peace," she said in an address to the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS.)

"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and, at its very worst, of competing values," she told the assembly of experts on international and security affairs.

"We tried it before... it led to the Great War, to the Second World War and to the Cold War," she said.

Could we have that in English?

Cheers,

Esentially she is saying that capitalism(similar concept of competing actors in a free market) does not work in international power relations. Whether she is thinking of replacing that with a Hegemon (US) is debatable.

Andy

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

 

[freegeeks]

Actually this dream has legs. If the EU stood with the US . . . OK behind the US . . . the combined geopolitical, economic, and military power would dwarf almost any coalition short of a SinoRussoNippoIndo coalition. A united US/EU would not only control much of their respective hemispheres but its only a matter of time before they either bring the Middle East into the fold . . . or convert the region into friendlier regimes by any means necessary. Africa is in such disarray that recolonization wouldn't require much effort.

Under such a scenario . . . not only is resistance futile . . . it would pay big time to walk lockstep with the Big Dog. All you need is right of center leadership in the UK (on the way thnx to Blair's Blunder), right of center leadership in Germany (10% unemployment spells drouble for Schroeder), and right of center leadership in France (Chirac is a fascist in socialist vetements).

the problem with this theory is that the Bush administration is doing a good job by pissing of the EU, Russia, etc ...

 

[Fencer128]

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

In my very limited experience, she sounded "neocon" and Dari-istic to me.

Having read a lot of what Dari believes - I don't see the land of milk of honey the neocons do.

Have a look at my responses in this thread for my views.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
of course I'm paraphrasing

Expatica
"Multipolarity was never a unifying idea or vision... it was a necessary evil that sustained the essence of war but did not promote peace," she said in an address to the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS.)

"Multipolarity is a theory of rivalry, of competing interests and, at its very worst, of competing values," she told the assembly of experts on international and security affairs.

"We tried it before... it led to the Great War, to the Second World War and to the Cold War," she said.

Could we have that in English?

Cheers,

Esentially she is saying that capitalism(similar concept of competing actors in a free market) does not work in international power relations. Whether she is thinking of replacing that with a Hegemon (US) is debatable.

Andy

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

... Patriot Act 3557

 

[freegeeks]

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

please. Stop pretending that the USA is the only democracy in the world where people have it good.

 

[Dudd]

My interpretation of what she said: When there is more than one great power in the world, conflict naturally arises. Each country tries to prove itself to the others, and eventually things come to a boil and a war starts. The Axis and Allies in WWII, US and Soviets during the Cold War (not really a war per se, but since each country was ready to blow the other guy up at a moment's notice, there was definately conflict). Contrast that to times like the Roman Empire, when one country reined supreme. No one could challenge Rome, so there were several hundred years of the Pax Romana. In economic capitalism, competition is great. Companies challenge each other, and the best products rise to the top. The downsides to this are layoffs and bankruptcies, but we accept that as a reasonable consequence. If there was this same fierce competition amung nations, millions could die, and people find that to be an unacceptable downside.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Dudd
My interpretation of what she said: When there is more than one great power in the world, conflict naturally arises. Each country tries to prove itself to the others, and eventually things come to a boil and a war starts. The Axis and Allies in WWII, US and Soviets during the Cold War (not really a war per se, but since each country was ready to blow the other guy up at a moment's notice, there was definately conflict). Contrast that to times like the Roman Empire, when one country reined supreme. No one could challenge Rome, so there were several hundred years of the Pax Romana. In economic capitalism, competition is great. Companies challenge each other, and the best products rise to the top. The downsides to this are layoffs and bankruptcies, but we accept that as a reasonable consequence. If there was this same fierce competition amung nations, millions could die, and people find that to be an unacceptable downside.

I'm not sure comparing with an empire is a great idea. The British empire was hardly the most peaceful period of recent history.

Andy

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

please. Stop pretending that the USA is the only democracy in the world where people have it good.

I pointed out the one word you apparently missed in your rush to bias....

Many more come to mind, they are also similar to the US.....

Dudd, capitalism and democracy and are often at odds with each other, but I wouldn't have it any other way personally....

Hey did Belgium ever ratify kyoto?



Belgiums lovely past....

and today:

"growing producer of synthetic drugs; transit point for US-bound ecstasy; source of precursor chemicals for South American cocaine processors; transshipment point for cocaine, heroin, hashish, and marijuana entering Western Europe; money laundering related to trafficking of drugs, automobiles, alcohol, and tobacco ."

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Actually this dream has legs. If the EU stood with the US . . . OK behind the US . . . the combined geopolitical, economic, and military power would dwarf almost any coalition short of a SinoRussoNippoIndo coalition. A united US/EU would not only control much of their respective hemispheres but its only a matter of time before they either bring the Middle East into the fold . . . or convert the region into friendlier regimes by any means necessary. Africa is in such disarray that recolonization wouldn't require much effort.

Under such a scenario . . . not only is resistance futile . . . it would pay big time to walk lockstep with the Big Dog. All you need is right of center leadership in the UK (on the way thnx to Blair's Blunder), right of center leadership in Germany (10% unemployment spells drouble for Schroeder), and right of center leadership in France (Chirac is a fascist in socialist vetements).

the problem with this theory is that the Bush administration is doing a good job by pissing of the EU, Russia, etc ...

Yup, it seems a little late to be suggesting such a thing, after bolstering the perceived need of what France proposes. So far the US has been given a Pass, but much more crap like this(Iraq) and the US will become Rogue.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: freegeeks

she is the Rodney King of politics, basically she said "can't we all just get along"..


IMHO someday the world will live free and share common laws and rights similar to the American system I am so fortunate to live under, why would that be such a bad thing? Fair and equal trade, global min. wage, everyone having a voice in their representation would go a long way......

please. Stop pretending that the USA is the only democracy in the world where people have it good.

I pointed out the one word you apparently missed in your rush to bias....

Many more come to mind, they are also similar to the US.....

Dudd, capitalism and democracy and are often at odds with each other, but I wouldn't have it any other way personally....

Hey did Belgium ever ratify kyoto?



Belgiums lovely past....

and today:

"growing producer of synthetic drugs; transit point for US-bound ecstasy; source of precursor chemicals for South American cocaine processors; transshipment point for cocaine, heroin, hashish, and marijuana entering Western Europe; money laundering related to trafficking of drugs, automobiles, alcohol, and tobacco ."

wow, that was some amazing turnaround on the subject, going from one thing to something completely different and unrelated

 

[Siddhartha]

I do not think the French are ever going to shut up and do as the US says. Until the US finds Iraq's WMD, Saddam, and bin Laden, GWB et al do not have the credibilty to criticize France or anyone else.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Once again she hits the nail on the head. She's going to make one hell of a President in 2008.

Ya think Hillary will only have one term?

"Rice was meeting British leaders in London Friday before travelling to the Middle East over the weekend for talks with Israeli and Palestinian officials as part Washington's efforts to obtain a Middle East peace settlement. "

Thought Powell was Sec State..?

 

[jjones]

Interesting and I tend to agree somewhat. Multipolarity is based on the concept of centers of influence to facilitate the progression of common interests and keep the peace. In this scenario, there is no single leader, and the pursuit of international interests reflects the will of the majority. One of the underlying flaws in this, she says, is that it presents the multipolar group in a weakened state as the individual centers of influence compete for their own interests, inviting challenge from other nations or groups. Regional conflicts can quickly escalate into worldwide conflicts because of alliances, best illustrated by what led to WWI, and with the lack of a single leader with the immediate resolve to meet these challenges, multipolarity will continue to present an obstacle to lasting peace.

 

[Moonbeam]

The closer I look the nearer I see the Beast. It will be brought to us by those in whom he is most believed. Thus do we create that which we believe. Welcome to the Forbidden Planet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The closer I look the nearer I see the Beast. It will be brought to us by those in whom he is most believed. Thus do we create that which we believe. Welcome to the Forbidden Planet.

The Krell were noble though. Only the Beast Within killed them. We have demonstrated that not do that. Many of us are 100% beast, especially when wrapped up in a flag.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Krell were wrapped up in their nobility and didn't see the beast within.