buying giant suvs so you can crush small cars and keep your family safe isn't very christian
course 99% of religious people are only that in name why fear death so much that you'll endanger others needlessly? maybe your faith in the next world isn't so firm kill thy neighbor to keep your family safe and yes pollute thy neighbors air
remember, #%@ the enviroment, humvees for every man woman and child!
now do you see a reason for government regulation? they should smack huge taxes on polluting suvs since consumers care not about the enviroment and are basically inconsiderate.
course 99% of religious people are only that in name why fear death so much that you'll endanger others needlessly? maybe your faith in the next world isn't so firm kill thy neighbor to keep your family safe and yes pollute thy neighbors airremember, #%@ the enviroment, humvees for every man woman and child!
now do you see a reason for government regulation? they should smack huge taxes on polluting suvs since consumers care not about the enviroment and are basically inconsiderate.
You don't understand. The point is, we're left with nothing, save the Crown Victoria, between go-karts and massive trucks. Personally, I like the big Mercs or gorgeous Cadillac Broughams of old. There just isn't any decent Detroit iron left except the full size trucks and SUVs. Bring back the good ole' Impala and we won't have to buy SUVs and full size pickups to get a safe, sturdy, V8, RWD cruiser.
Is that by any chance Gary @ Mckinney motorsports' car?... u think he'll finish the car before the Nissan convention this year?... Oh and Jerry from iloveracing.com got the same car... except it has an SR engine ... not an RB...
Click here... for something that looks nice too...
Click here... for something that looks nice too...
<< You don't understand. The point is, we're left with nothing, save the Crown Victoria, between go-karts and massive trucks. Personally, I like the big Mercs or gorgeous Cadillac Broughams of old. There just isn't any decent Detroit iron left except the full size trucks and SUVs. Bring back the good ole' Impala and we won't have to buy SUVs and full size pickups to get a safe, sturdy, V8, RWD cruiser. >>
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<< Damn check out this US spec 240sx getting fitted with the original J-spec silvia front end clip and getting a new heart transplant.....yes folks that is the infamous RB motor from a Skyline. Killer rice car that wieghs in around 2800 lbs with RWD and stock 300hp and 280lbs of torque. Car is getting repainted this weekend
NISMO POWAH!!!! >>
Fubar'd site. Anyways: Canada will whup USA for GOLD!
Please who in there right mind would buy American anymore. I'd rather ride a 20 year old Jap car than any 2000 year American pos out there. Yes that includes the Viper which is essentially an engine surrounded by a body......
Hmm, Ornery..
Your views are quite interesting, if not somewhat puzzling, and mildly disturbing.
The main issue seems to be fuel consumption and therefor price and pollution. The size of our cars would be irrelivent if we had cheap, clean fuel to power them. We need alternatives to the poor quality fuel we are forced to use, gasoline.
I have to agree with Finality. I'm not sure I can say I won't ever buy an American made car, and I'm not sure I would saye that all American made cars, passed, present and future are garbage, but my first one sure isn't going to be American. I can't think of an American vehicle, besides the classics of the 50s and 60s, I suppose.. that I would like to own.
We just don't seem to be able to build cars that can go 200 - 300+ thousand miles. *shrug*
I take that back. We could build a car that could have an incredible life span, if we really wanted to. I guess we don't want to, though.
It's true what people say, [we] don't make things like [we] used to. It doesen't make sense, in our greed driven economy, to build things that last an extraordinary ammount of time.
On the other hand, countries like Japan seem to take pride in designing things so that they will last a long time.
May be a strange analogy, but I like to use lawnmowers as an example. Lawnmower engines of the 30s, 40s, and 50s were built like tanks. They weighed a lot, didn't develop much power, but they lasted forever. Many people (me.. lol) collect these antique engines. Many(Maybe even most) of them still run.
You're not going to find any throw away mowers in running condition in 60 years. Heh...
Briggs & Stratton has lost much of my respect as a small engine manufacturer. I'll still work to complete my collection of their antique engines; but if I was going to buy a brand new one.. It would be a Honda.
Your views are quite interesting, if not somewhat puzzling, and mildly disturbing.
The main issue seems to be fuel consumption and therefor price and pollution. The size of our cars would be irrelivent if we had cheap, clean fuel to power them. We need alternatives to the poor quality fuel we are forced to use, gasoline.
I have to agree with Finality. I'm not sure I can say I won't ever buy an American made car, and I'm not sure I would saye that all American made cars, passed, present and future are garbage, but my first one sure isn't going to be American. I can't think of an American vehicle, besides the classics of the 50s and 60s, I suppose.. that I would like to own.
We just don't seem to be able to build cars that can go 200 - 300+ thousand miles. *shrug*
I take that back. We could build a car that could have an incredible life span, if we really wanted to. I guess we don't want to, though.
It's true what people say, [we] don't make things like [we] used to. It doesen't make sense, in our greed driven economy, to build things that last an extraordinary ammount of time.
On the other hand, countries like Japan seem to take pride in designing things so that they will last a long time.
May be a strange analogy, but I like to use lawnmowers as an example. Lawnmower engines of the 30s, 40s, and 50s were built like tanks. They weighed a lot, didn't develop much power, but they lasted forever. Many people (me.. lol) collect these antique engines. Many(Maybe even most) of them still run.
You're not going to find any throw away mowers in running condition in 60 years. Heh...
Briggs & Stratton has lost much of my respect as a small engine manufacturer. I'll still work to complete my collection of their antique engines; but if I was going to buy a brand new one.. It would be a Honda.
"The main issue seems to be fuel consumption and therefor price and pollution."
Uh... no. To me, the main issue is safety, first and foremost. I do not put price and pollution ahead of safety. A nice sized car, like the Impalas of old, would be just about right. That's a full framed, 4dr, V8, RWD, fleet quality vehicle. You know, the same that your local police department prefers?
The average American consumer has spoken, and he wants mileage over safety. Any consumer that wants a classic body on frame, RWD, V8 has a very small selection. One is the 1/2ton pickup. That would explain it's current status as #1 vehicle of choice in America. Another alternative to econoboxes is the SUV, which explains that craze. Face it, some people still want a real vehicle wrapped around them and their families!
Uh... no. To me, the main issue is safety, first and foremost. I do not put price and pollution ahead of safety. A nice sized car, like the Impalas of old, would be just about right. That's a full framed, 4dr, V8, RWD, fleet quality vehicle. You know, the same that your local police department prefers?
The average American consumer has spoken, and he wants mileage over safety. Any consumer that wants a classic body on frame, RWD, V8 has a very small selection. One is the 1/2ton pickup. That would explain it's current status as #1 vehicle of choice in America. Another alternative to econoboxes is the SUV, which explains that craze. Face it, some people still want a real vehicle wrapped around them and their families!
What's up with the link? I get "Francis's Current Albums" page where's about 200 albums.. in which one is it?
<< "The main issue seems to be fuel consumption and therefor price and pollution."
Uh... no. To me, the main issue is safety, first and foremost. I do not put price and pollution ahead of safety. A nice sized car, like the Impalas of old, would be just about right. That's a full framed, 4dr, V8, RWD, fleet quality vehicle. You know, the same that your local police department prefers?
The average American consumer has spoken, and he wants mileage over safety. Any consumer that wants a classic body on frame, RWD, V8 has a very small selection. One is the 1/2ton pickup. That would explain it's current status as #1 vehicle of choice in America. Another alternative to econoboxes is the SUV, which explains that craze. Face it, some people still want a real vehicle wrapped around them and their families! >>
You can't say that cars like the Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla or Camry or Maxima are unsafe. Instead of trying to get big oversized vechicles that would actually be unsafe because of the drivers behind the wheel, why not try the Gov't to impose intense training to every single driver. I remember my uncle driving in Boston, no way in hell I would drive there in a big car. Those people are insane!
For a testament to the Corollas safety,. our '91 Corolla got hit in the back by a Ford F150 pickup truck, the whole rear end was smash in..made the Corolla look like a hatchback, but we were TOTALLY fine. No bruises or nothing
What a coincidence. Just last week I saw a compact Toyota, Honda, Nissan or Hyundai (they all look the same to me), that had rear ended a 1/2 ton pickup. The pickup's rear chrome bumper was tilted under a little. The compact was like an accordion right up to the windshield. The speed limit in that area was 25mph, but generally moves a bit faster. I don't think anybody was seriously hurt, but that was graphic!
Ornery -
I think I understand what you're trying to say. But it's not the foreign automakers fault that the American companys don't seem able to compete? I mean, what's stopping Detroit from making a car like the Accord or Camry?
I agree with what others have said, it's not like foreign cars are any less safe than American cars. You have to compare apples with apples. Yeah, no doubt if a subcompact gets hit by a Ford Excursion or whatever, there isn't going to be much left. But when that subcompact hits another subcompact, things are a lot different. Same if the Ford hits another car in the same class.
That's how they do safety ratings. They compare the car to other cars in it's class.
I don't see how having more cars to chose from is bad for consumers. They definately have plenty of choices. It almost sounds like you're mad at the american auto makers for not being able to keep up, or something.
I'm surprised nobody shot down my 200-300 thousand mile comment. I was kinda hesitant to say it. But the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't think of a well known, reliable to that extent, american car. Trucks, yeah. Cars.. hmmm?
I think I understand what you're trying to say. But it's not the foreign automakers fault that the American companys don't seem able to compete? I mean, what's stopping Detroit from making a car like the Accord or Camry?
I agree with what others have said, it's not like foreign cars are any less safe than American cars. You have to compare apples with apples. Yeah, no doubt if a subcompact gets hit by a Ford Excursion or whatever, there isn't going to be much left. But when that subcompact hits another subcompact, things are a lot different. Same if the Ford hits another car in the same class.
That's how they do safety ratings. They compare the car to other cars in it's class.
I don't see how having more cars to chose from is bad for consumers. They definately have plenty of choices. It almost sounds like you're mad at the american auto makers for not being able to keep up, or something.
I'm surprised nobody shot down my 200-300 thousand mile comment. I was kinda hesitant to say it. But the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't think of a well known, reliable to that extent, american car. Trucks, yeah. Cars.. hmmm?
I'm surprised nobody shot down my 200-300 thousand mile comment. I was kinda hesitant to say it. But the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't think of a well known, reliable to that extent, american car. Trucks, yeah. Cars.. hmmm?
The reason nobody shot it down was because nobody on AT owns American cars. Well I?m sure a few do but most of the people I see on here love imports. But I expect that because of the type of BBS it is. I have owned 4 cars in 17 years 3 Chevys and one Hyundia. My 73 Impala had 230000 miles on it before I got rid of it my Chevette had 267000 my Hyundia 170000 and my current car a 94 Caprice has 140000 and is still running strong. My next car will probably be a Ford product because GM doesn?t make any big RWD sedans anymore. I don?t hate imports it?s just that they don?t make the kind of car I like. Unfortunately neither do most manufactures nowadays.
The reason nobody shot it down was because nobody on AT owns American cars. Well I?m sure a few do but most of the people I see on here love imports. But I expect that because of the type of BBS it is. I have owned 4 cars in 17 years 3 Chevys and one Hyundia. My 73 Impala had 230000 miles on it before I got rid of it my Chevette had 267000 my Hyundia 170000 and my current car a 94 Caprice has 140000 and is still running strong. My next car will probably be a Ford product because GM doesn?t make any big RWD sedans anymore. I don?t hate imports it?s just that they don?t make the kind of car I like. Unfortunately neither do most manufactures nowadays.
I really am not much of a car buff,
I kinda figured there were older cars by Chevy that were pretty reliable. I guess I was talking about now, though. I don't know, it's actually probably quite a non-issue argument.
Most cars will last quite a while if you take good care of them.
I kinda figured there were older cars by Chevy that were pretty reliable. I guess I was talking about now, though. I don't know, it's actually probably quite a non-issue argument.
Most cars will last quite a while if you take good care of them.
"I think I understand what you're trying to say. But it's not the foreign automakers fault that the American companys don't seem able to compete? I mean, what's stopping Detroit from making a car like the Accord or Camry?"
Nope, missed it again. I don't give a damn if they do make a car like a Honda or Camry... as good or better. Got no use for a little car any more than your local cops do.
"...when that subcompact hits another subcompact, things are a lot different. Same if the Ford hits another car in the same class."
You're overlooking the data that's already been presented... twice!
"I don't see how having more cars to chose from is bad for consumers. They definately have plenty of choices. It almost sounds like you're mad at the american auto makers for not being able to keep up, or something."
As I've said, several times, we have fewer and fewer choices. There are virtually no cars in the full frame, V8, RWD configuration left. Only Ford's Crown Vic. If you want that type of vehicle, you're forced to buy that Ford, a pickup truck or SUV. Slim pickin's!
And I don't blame the auto makers, I blame consumers. They're the ones putting economy ahead of safety.
"...reliable to that extent, american car..."
Ask your local patrolmen. When built in a sturdy, tried and true configuration, a domestic does the trick effortlessly...
Nope, missed it again. I don't give a damn if they do make a car like a Honda or Camry... as good or better. Got no use for a little car any more than your local cops do.
"...when that subcompact hits another subcompact, things are a lot different. Same if the Ford hits another car in the same class."
You're overlooking the data that's already been presented... twice!
- "Even if we correct for the difference in the numbers of each type of vehicle on the road, it seems obvious that if everyone drove an LTV, far fewer bodies would be hauled off the nation?s highways every year..."
"I don't see how having more cars to chose from is bad for consumers. They definately have plenty of choices. It almost sounds like you're mad at the american auto makers for not being able to keep up, or something."
As I've said, several times, we have fewer and fewer choices. There are virtually no cars in the full frame, V8, RWD configuration left. Only Ford's Crown Vic. If you want that type of vehicle, you're forced to buy that Ford, a pickup truck or SUV. Slim pickin's!
And I don't blame the auto makers, I blame consumers. They're the ones putting economy ahead of safety.
"...reliable to that extent, american car..."
Ask your local patrolmen. When built in a sturdy, tried and true configuration, a domestic does the trick effortlessly...
Yeah, I guess you're right. The American cars that you typically see in industrial/commercial fleets, like cops, are pretty reliable.
I wouldn't ever buy one though. Ooogly! hehe
I wouldn't ever buy one though. Ooogly! hehe
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