RIAA sues some more

godmare

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I searched, this doesn't seem to be a repost.
Fom Tom's Hardware
In what appears to be a bitter attempt by the recording industry to find someone with a deep pocket they can legally blame and successfully collect damages from, the recording industry has sent its legal bloodhounds on the trail of the "evil" venture capitalists who backed the creation of Napster. No, this is not just a bad dream: EMI and Universal Music have filed a legal action against Hummer Winblad Venture Partners, the California venture capital firm that invested $13 million into the now-defunct Napster venture. The suit names Hummer Winblad and two of its partners and seeks $150,000 per copyright violation, plus punitive damages. Damages of these proportions could not be collected from Napster, which filed for bankruptcy last summer. The investment in Napster by Hummer Winblad was made in 2000, prior to any legal proceedings or Court rulings that Napster was operating illegally. The music giants' lawsuit reportedly claims that Hummer Winblad's investment was a legal cause of enabling Napster users to copy and post downloaded music that was protected by copyright onto the Internet.

And Information Week
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Venture capitalists didn't need another reason to avoid high-tech investments, but two major record labels have given them one anyway.
Still seeking retribution for Napster's online file-swapping system, industry giants Universal Music and EMI are trying to break new legal ground by suing the venture capital firm that helped finance the revolutionary Internet service.

Napster failed last year, but the discord about the service and the free music that it distributed is far from over.

The music industry's latest legal assault would push the boundaries of blame by holding investors liable for the actions of a company and its management.

It's a showdown venture capitalists have long dreaded.

If the music labels prevail, "it could destroy the whole venture capital industry," said J. William Gurley, a general partner at Benchmark Capital in Menlo Park, Calif.

The music labels say they are just looking for justice.

"Businesses, as well as those individuals or entities who control them, premised on massive copyright infringement ... should face the legal consequences," the record companies said in a statement.

The record labels' suit, filed in Los Angeles last week, alleges Hummer Winblad Venture Partners' $13 million investment in Napster enabled tens of millions of Napster users to infringe on music copyrights. San Francisco-based Hummer Winblad made the investment in April 2000--long before federal courts declared Napster illegal.

If venture capitalists can be held responsible for the actions of the companies in their investment portfolios, Gurley wonders if the same principle could be applied to individual investors who own stock in companies with legal headaches.

"Should someone be able to come after you because you invested in Philip Morris when you should have known that cigarettes are bad for people?" asked Gurley, a former Hummer Winblad partner who left the firm before its Napster investment.

The National Venture Capital Association has even broader concerns.

Mark Heeson, the trade group's president, was so concerned about the entertainment industry's aggressive litigation that he sent a letter to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., last year.

"The ability of entrenched industries to deter investment in next-generation technologies has profoundly anticompetitive and anti-innovative implications throughout American industry," Heeson wrote.

In an interview, Heeson said that's just what the Hummer Winblad lawsuit could do.

Other venture capitalists say they aren't worried, arguing that the lawsuit against Hummer Winblad is as much of an oddity as Napster itself.

"It's not changing the way I approach investments, nor is it changing things for any of the people I know," said Wes Raffel, a general partner for Advanced Technology Ventures in Palo Alto, Calif.

A surprise decision that went against the record labels and movie studios last week may even embolden some venture capitalists.

U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Wilson squelched a copyright infringement suit against two other popular Internet file-swapping services, Grokster and StreamCast Networks Inc., after concluding they couldn't be held liable for pirating by their users.

Still, there's little doubt that the latest Napster suit is designed to scare venture capitalists, according to several attorneys who specialize in investment law.

"It's pure thuggery," said Philadelphia lawyer Howard Scher.

The suit against Hummer Winblad and two of its partners, Hank Barry and John Hummer, seeks $150,000 per copyright violation, plus punitive damages. It's the kind of money that the labels couldn't get out of Napster after the company went bankrupt last summer.

"This suit is all about finding a deep pocket," said Houston securities lawyer Joe Cohen.

Neither Barry, who once served as Napster's chief executive, nor Hummer, who sat on Napster's board of directors, returned calls seeking comment.

Venture capitalists have always realized that they could lose money if a startup in their investment portfolio ran into serious legal problems. As a rule, they traditionally cash in on just a handful of successful startups, offsetting losses and paltry returns from most of the companies they finance.

Until now, though, venture capitalists had presumed their losses would be limited to the amount of money that they invested in a company.

The Hummer Winblad suit raises the possibility that they could lose more than 100 percent of their investments.

"That makes everyone nervous because it injects even more risk into the system," said Palo Alto attorney Barry Kramer, who works with venture capitalists. "There is already enough risk in venture capital. We don't need any more."

The issue at hand, in my first estimation, is the implication of private investors in company wrongdoings.

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gistech1978

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they want justice....
but yet they are perfectly happy price fixing over the past 2 decades
:disgust:
 

godmare

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Originally posted by: LordMaul
thuggery

Thuggery?

Cool...
Haha

The RIAA and all of its friends with hats pulled over their eyes, big drawers and baseball bats :D

 
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so they want $150,000 per infringment, so if you multiple they number of files traded of napster, the RIAA would have every single penny in the world, they are wanting more money than there has ever been in circulation in the world of all currencies, Some judge has to see this and rule the RIAA as terroristic. oh that would be great.
 

BD231

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When teh phuck will this MP3 trading put the RIAA under?? I'm still waiting damnit!!
 

sohdahere

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Originally posted by: gistech1978
they want justice....
but yet they are perfectly happy price fixing over the past 2 decades
:disgust:

yea and the internet is their punishment for that.
suckers
 

Zugzwang152

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@RIAA