RIAA is at it again

[JimmiG]

PUBLIC SAFETY! HA! Maybe we can get the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to take a crack at legislating this for us.

Why not just a simple RSS feed or some kind of notification service.. Radio feels a bit too 1972 for my taste.

 

[BoberFett]

Some of the stuff the RIAA does is bad enough, but the stuff people accuse them of trying to do is downright absurd. Radio stations already pay royalties for playing songs on the radio. That is presumably the RIAA's interest in this - more royalties from radio stations playing their songs.

Wrong. Radio is exempted from paying artist royalties.

Hasbro is not exempt from the CPSIA. Hasbro is allowed to comply with the law by performing their own lead testing.

In other words, they're exempt. "Oh yes, we tested every product off the line. We wouldn't lie. No sir."

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Wrong. Radio is exempted from paying artist royalties.

The RIAA is trying to change that, with the compromise being "we'll force everyone else to shove FM receivers in damned near everything to get you more customers to make up for it." So it's a win for the RIAA since they get money from royalties, a break even for the radio stations, and a lose for everyone else.

 

[BoberFett]

The RIAA is trying to change that, with the compromise being "we'll force everyone else to shove FM receivers in damned near everything to get you more customers to make up for it." So it's a win for the RIAA since they get money from royalties, a break even for the radio stations, and a lose for everyone else.

Exactly. I was simply correcting the false statement that radio pays royalties to RIAA.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Don't you love how the RIAA compromises on things?

"Give me all the money in your wallet!"
"No. It's mine."
"Okay, give me half the money in your wallet."
"What?"
"It's a compromise!"

*next day*
"Give me all the money in your wallet!"
"No, I'm already giving you half!"
"Okay, give me three quarters of the money in your wallet."
"Hell no!"
"It's a compromise!"

 

[dfuze]

Once I read RIAA I would automatically assume whatever they are trying to do would benefit them and screw me over.

 

[waggy]

Hasbro is not exempt from the CPSIA. Hasbro is allowed to comply with the law by performing their own lead testing.

no. the CPSIA states that you have to send to a 3rd party for testing.

Hasbro is exempt from paying a 3rd party fees.


this still ignores the fact that HASBRO was the ones importing toys with lead on it and not small US toy makers.

 

[waggy]

Exactly. I was simply correcting the false statement that radio pays royalties to RIAA.

link


The RIAA has agreed to support the Performance Rights Act which would amend copyright law to fix the discrepancy and “grant performers of sound recordings equal rights to compensation from terrestrial broadcaster.” In exchange radio would pay upwards of a reported $100 million per year in royalties. So the RIAA gets cash and radio gets an expanded audience.


interesting..

 

[mugs]

Wrong. Radio is exempted from paying artist royalties.

I don't believe I am wrong. Radio stations do pay royalties to the songwriters and publishers. They don't pay royalties to the performers. All I said was that radio stations pay royalties.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm
http://www.radio-media.com/song-album/articles/airplay50.html

I was responding to FelixDeKat's absurd idea that the RIAA was going to somehow use this as a way to get royalties from handset makers. I figure he was thinking along the lines of Canada where I believe CD-Rs have a royalty built into the price for music piracy. You couldn't make the argument that royalties should be paid on FM radios, because royalties are already paid for radio airplay.

 

[BoberFett]

link


The RIAA has agreed to support the Performance Rights Act which would amend copyright law to fix the discrepancy and “grant performers of sound recordings equal rights to compensation from terrestrial broadcaster.” In exchange radio would pay upwards of a reported $100 million per year in royalties. So the RIAA gets cash and radio gets an expanded audience.


interesting..

It's an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Radio doesn't want to pay additional royalties to RIAA but they're figuring they can profit more off this legislation than it will cost them in royalties. This is just a one night stand.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't believe I am wrong. Radio stations do pay royalties to the songwriters and publishers. They don't pay royalties to the performers. All I said was that radio stations pay royalties.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties7.htm
http://www.radio-media.com/song-album/articles/airplay50.html

I was responding to FelixDeKat's absurd idea that the RIAA was going to somehow use this as a way to get royalties from handset makers. I figure he was thinking along the lines of Canada where I believe CD-Rs have a royalty built into the price for music piracy. You couldn't make the argument that royalties should be paid on FM radios, because royalties are already paid for radio airplay.

They may not make that argument now, but I'm sure it's already on their To Do list. I imagine if this law passes, we'll soon see a lawsuit claiming that because there is the POTENTIAL for smartphone users to record the output from their mandatory FM tuners, that the handset manufacturers must pay. You're just not thinking like a greedy media lawyer. Don't feel bad, it keeps you human.

 

[MrMatt]

No I'll just be forced to pick up the cost for something I don't want. Do you really think that if there was a demand for FM radios in these devices they wouldn't be putting them in there without the RIAA forcing them to?

well sure but an FM receiver probably adds what, 2 cents on to the cost? if that

 

[Harabec]

America, the land of the slaves. I'm amazed such things go by without some hardcore public lynching. This is 100% theft by RIAA.
Anyway, I hope nothing comes out of it for your sake.

 

[mugs]

They may not make that argument now, but I'm sure it's already on their To Do list. I imagine if this law passes, we'll soon see a lawsuit claiming that because there is the POTENTIAL for smartphone users to record the output from their mandatory FM tuners, that the handset manufacturers must pay. You're just not thinking like a greedy media lawyer. Don't feel bad, it keeps you human.

They could have made that argument 30 years ago when people could record from the radio to cassette tapes. Around the time Sony was sued because people could do the same thing with TV shows and Betamax, and the Supreme Court ruled that it is fair use.

I don't understand why every discussion about the RIAA is more about absurd projections of what they might do rather than what they do do.

 

[Juddog]

Due to the way the RIAA has been acting, I have literally not bought a single CD in over 3 years. I don't care if it means I have less music to listen to, I feel it's my moral obligation to watch them die out.

 

[Golgatha]

Anything the RIAA wants to see happen is something I am completely against by default given their past history of ass raping consumers whenever possible.

 

[dpodblood]

I guess you didn't read the article? They're claiming that it would benefit public safety (and it would, but that's not why they really want it).

Actually I did read the article, but there was no real explanation:

"Dennis Wharton from the NAB added “We would argue that having radio capability on cell phones and other mobile devices would be a great thing, particularly from a public safety perspective.”

 

[BoberFett]

They could have made that argument 30 years ago when people could record from the radio to cassette tapes. Around the time Sony was sued because people could do the same thing with TV shows and Betamax, and the Supreme Court ruled that it is fair use.

I don't understand why every discussion about the RIAA is more about absurd projections of what they might do rather than what they do do.

Because no matter how absurd the speculation, eventually they push it further than that.

 

[amdhunter]

I dunno. If it was an HD radio option, I wouldn't really mind.

 

[TheVrolok]

I have an FM receiver in my Zune, and honestly, I would like to have one in my cell, too; but not at the point of having them mandated.

 

[darkswordsman17]

They could have made that argument 30 years ago when people could record from the radio to cassette tapes. Around the time Sony was sued because people could do the same thing with TV shows and Betamax, and the Supreme Court ruled that it is fair use.

I don't understand why every discussion about the RIAA is more about absurd projections of what they might do rather than what they do do.

I don't know, maybe it has to do with the fact that they basically label everyone, including the people actually legitimately buying their stuff as thieves and criminals? Likewise, with the shit that the RIAA and MPAA have said and tried to do in the past I don't know why you can't understand people's reactions.

To top it off, they bitch about losing money and despite people pointing out obvious reasons why they aren't making money like they think they should, they still try to use piracy as a scapegoat. Maybe if they weren't paying their lawyers so much money for all these lawsuits and lobbying they could lower their costs and improve their image.

 

[waggy]

I have an FM receiver in my Zune, and honestly, I would like to have one in my cell, too; but not at the point of having them mandated.

I have one on my phone. its nice when i'm out walking or such (it is also a MP3 player).

my phone does everything i need so i gave my MP3 player to my wife (who gave hers to my daughter).

 

[bfdd]

Due to the way the RIAA has been acting, I have literally not bought a single CD in over 3 years. I don't care if it means I have less music to listen to, I feel it's my moral obligation to watch them die out.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, except it's not moral obligation that makes me do it, they're just shitty and shitty things don't deserve my money.

 

[killster1]

I have one on my phone. its nice when i'm out walking or such (it is also a MP3 player).

my phone does everything i need so i gave my MP3 player to my wife (who gave hers to my daughter).

wow your very cool! i think every phone from 2007+ has mp3 on it and FM only seems to work in big citys etc ( i guess most people live in big cities? ) Fm radio on my phones never has really worked (not that i care about radio just tried it out) you need headphones to work as a antenna for it to work i guess.

 

[waggy]

wow your very cool! i think every phone from 2007+ has mp3 on it and FM only seems to work in big citys etc ( i guess most people live in big cities? ) Fm radio on my phones never has really worked (not that i care about radio just tried it out) you need headphones to work as a antenna for it to work i guess.

yes yes i am cool.now i just have to convince my kids of that..

I live in the country. I get 3 stations (witch i happen to enjoy) around my property and the parks we go to.