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RIAA Bans The Reselling Of iPods With Preloaded Music

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Lifer
Although it may seem like a feasible idea, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) says that reselling an iPod or MP3 player with music already preloaded on it is illegal.

"Selling an iPod preloaded with music is no different than selling a DVD onto which you have burned your entire music collection," the RIAA said in a statement to MTV.com. "Either act is a clear violation of U.S. copyright law. The RIAA is monitoring this means of infringement. In short: seller beware." Many people have been selling their used iPods online with thousands of songs preloaded on them.

Andrew Bridges, a lawyer for eBay that specializes in copyright and trademark law, told MTV.com, "It really depends on individual circumstances. I'm not sure the law is settled. If I'm a college student and I want to supplement my income by buying 100 iPods and selling them at a significant premium, that's probably not going to fly. But if I've had my iPod Shuffle for two years and I'm tired of it and I go out and buy a 60 gig video iPod and want to sell my old Shuffle, but don't want to purge the music first, that's probably legal."

Bridges said that he is not aware of a legal case that deals with this issue, but the law does not have strict guidelines in this instance. "Normally, only a copyright holder has the right to distribute copies of a work," said Bridges. "There is a very clear provision in the statue that says if you are in possession of a copy that has been lawfully made, you can distribute that copy without violating the copyright holder's copyright. That seems to suggest that there shouldn't be a case against a casual user disposing of copies they made for personal use when one is getting rid of one's own iPod."

On the other hand, RIAA President Cary Sherman disagrees. "Both cases Andrew cites are different types of infringement, it's just that the damages are higher for someone engaged in it for commercial benefit versus someone who isn't," he told MTV.com. "Unlawful reproduction or distribution is infringement. There is no fair use when someone is getting a complete copy of a work, especially a creative work and especially when it could have an adverse impact on the marketplace for selling or licensing that work."

A seller who had video iPods on the eBay market preloaded with over 6000 songs has already been contacted by the RIAA. Moreover, the RIAA is reaching a system of agreement with eBay where people who try to sell loaded iPods will get a warning.

The RIAA also addressed the issue of brand new iPods being sold with preloaded content on them, like Boston's TvMyPod which sells video iPods preloaded with DVD content the customer has purchased. TvMyPod's owner, Vijay Raghavan, said that his business is not breaking the Millennium Copyright Act because the customer gets the original and the copy and the DVDs do not get decrypted in order to load them onto the iPod.

Sherman said that the RIAA's hands are tied in this case. He said that technically they are not allowed to do without a license, but there is no such license that exists.


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How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?
 
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?

It's like selling blank DVD's that just happen to have copies of the latest hollywood flick on them.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?

Don't you know? RIAA writes laws in this country. Just watch, they'll pass an anti-piracy ammendment to the Constitution in a few weeks.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?

They can't. All they can do is threaten and bluster and try and get a case heard in court.
 
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?

It's like selling blank DVD's that just happen to have copies of the latest hollywood flick on them.

Only if the seller pre-loading the music keeps copies for themselves or only pays for it once rather than paying for all the tunes on each unit they sell.
 
It is legal to give somebody a burnt CD, though, isn't it? Why not say you sold the ipod for $xxx.xx and the music was a gift? Please correct if mistaken.
 
I read the op's topic line and laughed. "The RIAA bans..."

Heh, I was thinking to myself oh gee, wow, they've banned it. Woo hoo! Who cares, they're not the police. Yet.
 
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?
It's like selling blank DVD's that just happen to have copies of the latest hollywood flick on them.
Only if the seller pre-loading the music keeps copies for themselves or only pays for it once rather than paying for all the tunes on each unit they sell.
Actually that's not legal either. You cannot legally sell or distribute a copy of the song - even if it is your copy that you paid for and no other copies exist. You need a license to do that.

And yea, ****** the RIAA.
 
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I agree with the RIAA here.

me too. It makes sense that if it's illegal to download the songs from the internet, than any other method not approved by the record labels or the bands should be illegal too.
 
Well I agree with their logic, selling an iPod with music preloaded would be the same as stealing, they don't have the authority to ban anything.

There were incidents a while back where people were taking iPods into Apple resellers and copying programs off the display machines. Thought that was pretty funny.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?

they're not. the OP's topic is retarded.

and there already is a law on the books. any judge in the country will say this is violating copyright, because it is making copies without right.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Eli
How can they just "make it" illegal without a law pertaining to it actually being legislated? WTF?
they're not. the OP's topic is retarded.

and there already is a law on the books. any judge in the country will say this is violating copyright, because it is making copies without right.
QFT.

As much as I despise the RIAA and its tactics, this is copyright infringement.
 
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