Rhode Island may change its official name

ProfJohn

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Interesting.

I am not sure if it will pass, but if it does I hope they keep a sense of history and don't run around changing every historical marker in the state just to satisfy some dumb ass ideal.

How many people actually knew the states full name?
PROVIDENCE, R.I. ? The country's smallest state has the longest official name: "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations."
A push to drop "Providence Plantations" from that name advanced farther than ever on Thursday when House lawmakers voted 70-3 to let residents decide whether their home should simply be called the "State of Rhode Island." It's an encouraging sign for those who believe the formal name conjures up images of slavery, while opponents argue it's an unnecessary rewriting of history that ignores Rhode Island's tradition of religious liberty and tolerance.
The bill permitting a statewide referendum on the issue next year now heads to the state Senate.
"It's high time for us to recognize that slavery happened on plantations in Rhode Island and decide that we don't want that chapter of our history to be a proud part of our name," said Rep. Joseph Almeida, an African-American lawmaker who sponsored the bill.
Rhode Island's unwieldy name reflects its turbulent colonial history, a state that consisted of multiple and sometimes rival settlements populated by dissidents.
Banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for his unorthodox religious views, minister Roger Williams set out in 1636 and settled at the northern tip of Narragansett Bay, which he called Providence Plantations. Williams founded the first Baptist church in America and became famous for embracing the separation of church and state, a legal principle enshrined in the Bill of Rights a century later.
Other settlers made their homes in modern-day Portsmouth and Newport on Aquidneck Island, then known as the Isle of Rhodes.
In 1663, English King Charles II granted a royal charter joining all the settlements into a single colony called "The Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations." The name stuck. Rhode Island used that royal charter as its governing document until 1843.
Opponents of the name charge argue that "plantations" was used at the time to describe any farming settlements, regardless of slavery.
Rhode Island merchants did, however, make their fortunes off the slave trade. Slaves helped construct Brown University in Providence, and a prominent slave trader paid half the cost of its first library.
Still, Stanley Lemons, a professor emeritus of history at Rhode Island College, said changing the state's name ignores the accomplishments of Williams, whose government passed laws trying to prevent the permanent servitude of whites, blacks and American Indians.
"There are different meanings for this word," Lemons said. "To try to impose their experience on everyone else wipes out Roger Williams."
Source: Right wing news to annoy liberals with.
 

nageov3t

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I didn't even know that was RI's official name.

seems like a waste of time and money to change it after this long.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: her209
Don't they have more important things to debate?
Clearly no. There must be no problems in RI if they are spending time on this. I think I will move there so I can make $600k/year and move into a mansion that cost only $100k and drive a ferrari.

Stupid waste of time.

 

Thump553

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I actually knew this, kind of. A while back, an old friend (who is kind of a rightwing nut) from Rhode Island gave me a half hour dissertation that Rhode Island is two seperate entities, and that the Providence Plantations part is not part of RI and therefore not part of the USA and thus not subject to income tax.

At the time I figured it was the beer talking. Nice to see that there is at least some basis for his fantasies.

 

cubby1223

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I will say this, though - I believe PC is partially destroying our language and our culture. I'm not defending a culture of slavery, I'm just saying that as long as we allow the PC cops to have their way, there will never be an end to their crap.

However, I do support the government allowing the people to vote on this issue. If the majority want the name changed, then by all means change the name. Otherwise don't. Everything will offend someone for any number of reasons.
 

Harvey

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If they really wanted to be efficient and save ink on their forms and license plates, they could delete all but one word from "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" and call it, "And." :laugh:

If they wanted to make their state seem larger than the smallest state in the union, they may want to do that in conjunction with some other state... or at least a corporate sponsor. ;)
 

jackschmittusa

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I heard "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations" when I spent some time there long ago. I thought it was strange, but I couldn't care less what they want to call it.
 

CPA

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We should just ban the word plantation. That will solve all problems.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: her209
Don't they have more important things to debate?
Clearly no. There must be no problems in RI if they are spending time on this. I think I will move there so I can make $600k/year and move into a mansion that cost only $100k and drive a ferrari.

Stupid waste of time.

Don't you people ever get tired of saying this? It's premise is laughably wrong.

For the hundredth time, the problems facing the country today do not go unsolved due to lack of time for floor debate in statehouses/Congress. Therefore it doesn't matter in the slightest if they use some of that floor time to do things you find frivolous.
 

CPA

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lol, just read up on a little history of Providence Plantations. Of course, the name had NOTHING to do with slavery. In fact, slavery of both whites and blacks was abolished in the mid-1600s. Oh, you got to love the PC police and their revisionist history.
 

NaughtyGeek

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If they're going to change the name of the state, shouldn't they take bids from a couple corporate sponsors first? I mean wouldn't it be great to change it to something like State Pepsi or some crap? If you're going to change the name of a state over something as trivial as the word plantation and the negative connotations to a third or fourth hand descendant of someone who may or may not have been oppressed then shouldn't we open it up to paid interests? Yes, slavery = bad, but are people truly that incensed by the word plantation? IMO, once a state is formed, it is that state forever or at least until the new owners take over. ;)